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Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel
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Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel
Originally posted by Kepler View PostThe Trolley Problem just climbed out of your head and into the driver's seat.
And his "solution" does seem to be the most equitable.The preceding post may contain trigger words and is not safe-space approved. <-- Virtue signaling.
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Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel
Reviving the Philosophy thread for an interesting discussion of Nominalism, my favorite problem in philosophy.
Previously on Nominalism:
It's the question of whether "universals" exist. For example, all we ever see in nature are particular things -- this pine tree and that oak tree. So, where'd the idea of "tree" come from and does "treeness" really exist in the world? "Realists" (a much abused term but in this case we're talking about the Medieval scholastic) say yes, "treeness" is a thing with reality in the world. "Nominalists" say treeness is just a useful concept, a name, we arbitrarily use. The middle people, "Conceptualists," say that universals are not things in the "real" world (by which they mean the world of things that have extension in space) but they are real in the way that things in our heads are real.
Nominalism is the bette noire of Catholic intellectuals in particular because its promulgation by philosophical monks in the Middle Ages (Peter Abelard being the star of the show, William of Okham as in the Razor being another important figure) is generally blamed for the separation of philosophy from theology by the former's adoption of logical methods. From this, if you're a Thomist, comes skepticism and eventually, I dunno, bikinis.
This seems to be a less hamfisted analysis of the whole deal, albeit still from a doctrinaire Catholic perspective, meaning, if you don't get the scriptural answer then your logic is bad, not the scripture. Catholic High Philosophy always has this feeling of casuistry to it if you are a hard-headed rationalist (they don't like rationalism, either, because stuff like the Trinity doesn't go well if you start using reason on it -- you are, after all, supposed to Believe first and then, if possible, Understand, and not the other way round).
It sucks that Bob Gray's gone; he'd have eaten this like crack. Old Pio would have liked it, too. I have hopes for joe as a substitute interlocutor, but if there's anybody else who wants to talk about angels on the head of a pin, welcome!Last edited by Kepler; 05-21-2019, 01:27 PM.Cornell University
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Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel
Last edited by Kepler; 05-09-2021, 04:16 AM.Cornell University
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Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel
Originally posted by Kepler View PostReviving the Philosophy thread for an interesting discussion of Nominalism, my favorite problem in philosophy.
Previously on Nominalism:
It's the question of whether "universals" exist. For example, all we ever see in nature are particular things -- this pine tree and that oak tree. So, where'd the idea of "tree" come from and does "treeness" really exist in the world? "Realists" (a much abused term but in this case we're talking about the Medieval scholastic) say yes, "treeness" is a thing with reality in the world. "Nominalists" say treeness is just a useful concept, a name, we arbitrarily use. The middle people, "Conceptualists," say that universals are not things in the "real" world (by which they mean the world of things that have extension in space) but they are real in the way that things in our heads are real.
Nominalism is the bette noire of Catholic intellectuals in particular because its promulgation by philosophical monks in the Middle Ages (Peter Abelard being the star of the show, William of Okham as in the Razor being another important figure) is generally blamed for the separation of philosophy from theology by the former's adoption of logical methods. From this, if you're a Thomist, comes skepticism and eventually, I dunno, bikinis.
This seems to be a less hamfisted analysis of the whole deal, albeit still from a doctrinaire Catholic perspective, meaning, if you don't get the scriptural answer then your logic is bad, not the scripture. Catholic High Philosophy always has this feeling of casuistry to it if you are a hard-headed rationalist (they don't like rationalism, either, because stuff like the Trinity doesn't go well if you start using reason on it -- you are, after all, supposed to Believe first and then, if possible, Understand, and not the other way round).
It sucks that Bob Gray's gone; he'd have eaten this like crack. Old Pio would have liked it, too. I have hopes for joe as a substitute interlocutor, but if there's anybody else who wants to talk about angels on the head of a pin, welcome!
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Re: Philosophy 1: Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel
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Doc: Your file says you've got a degree from NYU. What in?
Dalton: Philosophy.
Doc: Any particular discipline?
Dalton: No. Not really. Man's search for faith. That sort of chit.
Doc: Come up with any answers?
Dalton: Not too many.a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.
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Q. Why do philosophers go to strip clubs?
A. Epictetus!Cornell University
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Inaccurate, mean, funny:
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Here's our boy for reals (via Vigo).Cornell University
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Things they neglected to teach in high school.Cornell University
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"But, in the end, the cash strapped French government inadvertently managed to fund one of the great mathematicians and greatest philosophers of the age, the latter of which, at least, likely would have been forgotten to history if not for his vast wealth that allowed his brilliant mind free rein to write on whatever he wished without having to worry too much about money, public opinion, or the ire of the elite."
Probably a lesson here about public funding of the arts....which has been no doubt lost to history.If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?
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Originally posted by LynahFan View Post"But, in the end, the cash strapped French government inadvertently managed to fund one of the great mathematicians and greatest philosophers of the age, the latter of which, at least, likely would have been forgotten to history if not for his vast wealth that allowed his brilliant mind free rein to write on whatever he wished without having to worry too much about money, public opinion, or the ire of the elite."
Probably a lesson here about public funding of the arts....which has been no doubt lost to history.Cornell University
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