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    Chatham adds men's hockey for 2017-18

    Add another team to the Division III men's hockey ranks with Chatham announcing today.

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    Re: Chatham adds men's hockey for 2017-18

    Where are they and which Conference would/will they play in? I know the Girls Team play in the ECAC-W, will the Men play there too? Just curious,
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    Quote Originally Posted by jconnor View Post
    Where are they and which Conference would/will they play in? I know the Girls Team play in the ECAC-W, will the Men play there too? Just curious,
    They are in Pittsburgh.

    I think the ECAC West schools will be called something different in the near future too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    They are in Pittsburgh.

    I think the ECAC West schools will be called something different in the near future too.
    3.5 hrs from Kings College in Scranton. Not an ideal travel partner, but...

    You could do
    Stevenson/Neumann
    LVC / Chatham
    Kings / Manhattanville
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    They are in Pittsburgh.

    I think the ECAC West schools will be called something different in the near future too.
    At this rate, you are going to need TWO leagues. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    At this rate, you are going to need TWO leagues. LOL
    I'm still forseeing the MAC to get into this in the near future....

    They already have four full members with Kings, Manhattanville, Lebanon Valley and Stevenson....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    I'm still forseeing the MAC to get into this in the near future....

    They already have four full members with Kings, Manhattanville, Lebanon Valley and Stevenson....
    In talking with your colleagues and your observations, how are the athletic programs at the new schools? Are we looking at an "Adrian" type approach from any or are we going to make Fish's head explode with another sub-par conference getting a Pool A bid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSUChamps2001 View Post
    In talking with your colleagues and your observations, how are the athletic programs at the new schools? Are we looking at an "Adrian" type approach from any or are we going to make Fish's head explode with another sub-par conference getting a Pool A bid?
    I think Stevenson will build an on campus rink if they haven't started that already now that they have both. They are VERY SET on having successful hockey programs down there. Coach Dawes wouldn't have left Neumann if he didn't think he could win at Stevenson.

    I think Lebanon Valley will be better this time around. They know what they are getting themselves into this time and they have successful athletic programs across the board pretty much. Will they compete the national championship year in and year out? I don't know if I see that but I think they will be fine and be a lot more competitive this time.

    Chatham? who knows...The women's program hasn't found much success so far. Pittsburgh is one of the growing hot beds for hockey though so if they can try and convince some area players to stay at home and go to a school with a huge female to male ratio, they could certainly make some inroads.

    King's is the outlier, I really don't know much about them period.

    Of the four as of right now, I see Stevenson becoming a top 15 team sooner rather than later. Think Endicott approach and look at the success they had in year 1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PSUChamps2001 View Post
    In talking with your colleagues and your observations, how are the athletic programs at the new schools? Are we looking at an "Adrian" type approach from any or are we going to make Fish's head explode with another sub-par conference getting a Pool A bid?
    I'll root for the latter just to see Fish's head explode...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    I'm still forseeing the MAC to get into this in the near future....

    They already have four full members with Kings, Manhattanville, Lebanon Valley and Stevenson....
    5 full members + 2 affiliate members gets you an immediate AQ, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    5 full members + 2 affiliate members gets you an immediate AQ, right?
    I'm not sure it would be an immediate AQ. I think you have to wait at least one or two years, especially when new programs are involved.

    On the women's side, the ECAC North Atlantic/Colonial League formed and did not get an AQ this year. Next year I believe they get one though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    I'm not sure it would be an immediate AQ. I think you have to wait at least one or two years, especially when new programs are involved.

    On the women's side, the ECAC North Atlantic/Colonial League formed and did not get an AQ this year. Next year I believe they get one though.
    Based on this reference to a two year waiting period for AQs, it appears to be a two year wait to get an AQ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    Based on this reference to a two year waiting period for AQs, it appears to be a two year wait to get an AQ.
    Assumptions

    The CCC is a rebranding of the ECAC-NE & will assume the -NE's AQ in 2017?

    The -W will begin its 2 yr waiting period next season and will get the long awaited AQ in 2019?

    Pool B goes away in 2019.

    The tournament should expand to 12 teams in 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Assumptions

    The CCC is a rebranding of the ECAC-NE & will assume the -NE's AQ in 2017?

    The -W will begin its 2 yr waiting period next season and will get the long awaited AQ in 2019?

    Pool B goes away in 2019.

    The tournament should expand to 12 teams in 2017.
    If the tournament should expands to 12 - shouldn't pool B survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norm1909 View Post
    If the tournament should expands to 12 - shouldn't pool B survive.
    Pool B won't exist once the ECAC West has an AQ. The only non-auto bid conference left would be the WIAC and there wouldn't the enough teams or warrant one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    Pool B won't exist once the ECAC West has an AQ. The only non-auto bid conference left would be the WIAC and there wouldn't the enough teams or warrant one.
    Devil's Advocate: What happens if Canton and Daniel Webster both stay independent but with these "scheduling arrangements" with the SUNYAC and NEHC? Those two, plus the WIAC, makes for 7 Pool-B eligible teams. Doesn't that keep Pool B alive and mean the -W's AQ comes at the expense of a Pool C?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARDS_rule_the_Burgh View Post
    Devil's Advocate: What happens if Canton and Daniel Webster both stay independent but with these "scheduling arrangements" with the SUNYAC and NEHC? Those two, plus the WIAC, makes for 7 Pool-B eligible teams. Doesn't that keep Pool B alive and mean the -W's AQ comes at the expense of a Pool C?
    Good point hadn't considered that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARDS_rule_the_Burgh View Post
    Devil's Advocate: What happens if Canton and Daniel Webster both stay independent but with these "scheduling arrangements" with the SUNYAC and NEHC? Those two, plus the WIAC, makes for 7 Pool-B eligible teams. Doesn't that keep Pool B alive and mean the -W's AQ comes at the expense of a Pool C?
    What good does it do either conference to keep a scheduling arrangement with Canton and DW if they won't join the conference? If these programs don't improve rapidly they'll be a major drain on strength of schedule...what would be the enticement to keep the arrangement if they don't join as either full members or associate members for hockey?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    What good does it do either conference to keep a scheduling arrangement with Canton and DW if they won't join the conference? If these programs don't improve rapidly they'll be a major drain on strength of schedule...what would be the enticement to keep the arrangement if they don't join as either full members or associate members for hockey?
    In the case of the SUNYAC, it's something that's been forced on them by the SUNY administration, whoch is why you've seen Plattsburgh drop the Skidmore and Castleton games in favor of playing Canton twice - everyone in the conference played them twice this year.

    In the case of the NEHC, it helps them maintain a balanced schedule with travel partners. That's basically all I've got.

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