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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

    Quote Originally Posted by QUAlum2004 View Post
    I would love to bring the ECAC tournament back to the Garden because I feel it will get the more casual hockey fan to fill up the arena not just the teams there.
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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

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    I've also read, though have no way to confirm, the administration at Quinnipiac very much likes being in the same breath as Harvard and Yale.
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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

    Quote Originally Posted by jericho View Post
    See, you're contradicting yourself. Yes, Q is a big fish in a relatively small pond, but so is the ECAC in Lake Placid. Yes, LP is difficult for media, etc. to get to, but, when you think Lake Placid, you immediately think hockey, so the ECAC benefits that weekend. I think the attendance troubles stems more from the fact of the teams that were there. You had one team who is less than two hours away (and whose fans travel well anyway,) the presumptive favorite for the NCAA championship whose fans tavel OK, and Harvard and Dartmouth, two of the worst travelling teams in the league. Once you get four teams who travel well (LP's ideal would be SLU, Clarkson, Cornell and RPI) you'll see the attendance problems alleviate. If the ECAC and HEA were to do a joint weekend, you may see the ECAC back on tape delay.
    My point about Q was about staying in the league. Regarding where the tournament is played: when I think Lake Placid, I think Olympics and 1980 and a nice summer resort town. I do not think ECAC hockey, especially considering the league has shuttled its finals between LP, Albany, Atlantic City three times in the last decade. I don't see what benefit the league gets by being the only story in a small town for one weekend in March. Maybe you are right that all that's needed is the right mix of teams and that would fill the arena (or come close) and create a buzz. But without that ideal mix of teams (a big gamble you get more than 1-2 of these on any consistent basis) I don't see how playing on a small out of the way stage in any way helps the league. Lake Placid might be nice and some of the diehards might really enjoy that trip every year just to see hockey regardless of who plays, but I think if you're trying to grow the brand (and market the league not only to new fans but also potential recruits) it's not a good choice, and I think the league will just continue to guarantee itself zero exposure and media coverage by playing there.

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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

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    Regarding where the tournament is played: when I think Lake Placid, I think Olympics and 1980 and a nice summer resort town. I do not think ECAC hockey, especially considering the league has shuttled its finals between LP, Albany, Atlantic City three times in the last decade.
    Where in the world could we play where you think ECAC Hockey before anything else? It's not like people hear TD Garden and think Hockey East. That conference tournament isn't even the biggest hockey tournament played there each season!

    Lake Placid may just be a tiny resort town, but it's the home of USA Hockey's greatest accomplishment, something that was achieved with a team of college players. It's certainly a better option than Atlantic City or the TUC.
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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

    Quote Originally Posted by vicious View Post
    My point about Q was about staying in the league. Regarding where the tournament is played: when I think Lake Placid, I think Olympics and 1980 and a nice summer resort town. I do not think ECAC hockey, especially considering the league has shuttled its finals between LP, Albany, Atlantic City three times in the last decade. I don't see what benefit the league gets by being the only story in a small town for one weekend in March. Maybe you are right that all that's needed is the right mix of teams and that would fill the arena (or come close) and create a buzz. But without that ideal mix of teams (a big gamble you get more than 1-2 of these on any consistent basis) I don't see how playing on a small out of the way stage in any way helps the league. Lake Placid might be nice and some of the diehards might really enjoy that trip every year just to see hockey regardless of who plays, but I think if you're trying to grow the brand (and market the league not only to new fans but also potential recruits) it's not a good choice, and I think the league will just continue to guarantee itself zero exposure and media coverage by playing there.
    Why do you think the league shuttled the finals between LP, AC, and Albany? They were trying to grow. They found that having it Albany was a failure, and having in Atlantic City was a miserable failure. Lake Placid may not be ideal, but this has been rehashed several times over the years. Seeing as how they just signed a three year contract extension, something must be working. Now that the Glens Falls Civic Center lost the high school basketball tournament, that may be a viable option, but you aren't going to get a much better choice than Lake Placid, unless you have it on a campus site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lugnut92 View Post
    Where in the world could we play where you think ECAC Hockey before anything else? It's not like people hear TD Garden and think Hockey East. That conference tournament isn't even the biggest hockey tournament played there each season!

    Lake Placid may just be a tiny resort town, but it's the home of USA Hockey's greatest accomplishment, something that was achieved with a team of college players. It's certainly a better option than Atlantic City or the TUC.
    I'd consider Springfield, MA once the casino is completed downtown. The Mass Mutual Center is a perfect size for hockey at over 6800 seats. The venue is 1 hour from both Quinnipiac and Yale, 1 and half hours from RPI, 1 hour and 45 from Union, 2 hours down 91 for Dartmouth, 1 and half hours from Harvard, and hour and a half to Brown. The teams with the longest drives would be SLU, Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell and Princeton. This is a central location for all the teams. The only thing that it doesn't have is the history of Lake Placid. But its a lot easier to get to for the majority of the teams in the league.
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    LP is a great place to visit, occasionally. I think after 3-4 years of walking the same main street and hitting the same 4 or 5 bars and the same 4 or 5 restaurants, it gets old unless you are a winter sports enthusiast. Boston is a great destination and it would be a terrific spot if the ECAC and HE ever merged (LOL), but other than that, I agree that it will never be the way it was when the old ECAC tourney was held there.
    I know few will agree with me, but after the new Albany Convention Center opens (2017) and the TUC is renovated (this year), I would like to see a rotation between LP and Albany. The ECAC is set in LP through 2020. By then downtown Albany could be much more attractive for this event. The Times Union Center was built for hockey and the new convention center and arena improvements are designed to accommodate major NCAA events. There are pluses and minuses to both LP and Albany. The bottom line is, you will not draw large crowds anywhere if you don't have at least 2 of the top drawing teams (CCT, Cornell, Q'Pac, RPI, Yale in the field. Think MAAC basketball, which drew 3,100 to a championship game without Siena.

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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

    Quote Originally Posted by QUAlum2004 View Post
    I'd consider Springfield, MA once the casino is completed downtown. The Mass Mutual Center is a perfect size for hockey at over 6800 seats. The venue is 1 hour from both Quinnipiac and Yale, 1 and half hours from RPI, 1 hour and 45 from Union, 2 hours down 91 for Dartmouth, 1 and half hours from Harvard, and hour and a half to Brown. The teams with the longest drives would be SLU, Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell and Princeton. This is a central location for all the teams. The only thing that it doesn't have is the history of Lake Placid. But its a lot easier to get to for the majority of the teams in the league.
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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

    Quote Originally Posted by QUAlum2004 View Post
    I'd consider Springfield, MA once the casino is completed downtown... The teams with the longest drives would be [almost half the league].
    If it's about a central location, they'll go back to Albany.
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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

    Quote Originally Posted by lugnut92 View Post
    If it's about a central location, they'll go back to Albany.
    If they want to host the tournament in a slum with a casino in it, Schenectady will fit that bill soon enough - but why they'd do that when it failed so spectacularly in Atlantic City...
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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

    Rather than reshuffle the ECAC, it seems to me that the far better solution is to replace the entire top level of ECAC management. They seem to be failing at several core metrics. Who has the authority to hold them accountable?

    I'd love to see the 24 hockey coaches and the 12 athletic directors team up to force the hiring of some competent executives in ECAC headquarters far, far more than to have any further conference re-arrangements.
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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

    Quote Originally Posted by FreshFish View Post
    Rather than reshuffle the ECAC, it seems to me that the far better solution is to replace the entire top level of ECAC management. They seem to be failing at several core metrics. Who has the authority to hold them accountable?

    I'd love to see the 24 hockey coaches and the 12 athletic directors team up to force the hiring of some competent executives in ECAC headquarters far, far more than to have any further conference re-arrangements.
    You kind of answered your own question, but I think the overriding problem is that the Ivies are a little bit more in their own world and aren't as wrapped up in the day-to-day of the ECAC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Cloud View Post
    You kind of answered your own question, but I think the overriding problem is that the Ivies are a little bit more in their own world and aren't as wrapped up in the day-to-day of the ECAC.
    Given this, what is the likelihood of the Ivies breaking off from ECAC hockey and starting their own hockey conference, similar to what they do in basketball?

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    Given this, what is the likelihood of the Ivies breaking off from ECAC hockey and starting their own hockey conference, similar to what they do in basketball?
    I think that if UPenn elevated back to a D1 program obviously they would break off. I don't think they will until that is the case.
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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

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    Given this, what is the likelihood of the Ivies breaking off from ECAC hockey and starting their own hockey conference, similar to what they do in basketball?
    That topic has come up all the time conference changes are mentioned for the last 30 years. If it hasn't happened yet, it's not happening.

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    The Ivies will remain a part of the ECAC. However, they were the reason why Hockey East was formed. They still only play 29 games, however, other non-ivy school presidents like the affiliation with the Ivies in the ECAC. As far as FF's comments regarding the ECAC hierarchy, they are hired by the collective ECAC AD's, so it would be the AD's holding them accountable. However, school AD's and coaches are sometimes not on the same page when it comes to what is good for the league. The AD's take their marching orders from the President's.
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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

    Quote Originally Posted by QUAlum2004 View Post
    I think that if UPenn elevated back to a D1 program obviously they would break off. I don't think they will until that is the case.
    Obviously.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    That topic has come up all the time conference changes are mentioned for the last 30 years. If it hasn't happened yet, it's not happening.
    Well, that logic's just iron clad. Gonna go ahead and apply that to nuclear war.
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    Re: RPI 2016 Off Season thread: A Drivel-free Summer

    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    That topic has come up all the time conference changes are mentioned for the last 30 years. If it hasn't happened yet, it's not happening.
    I mean, you can't say that definitively unless the Ivy League disbands. There will always be the risk that those six pull up stakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Cloud View Post
    I'm sorry, I just hope this guy keeps on posting forever. It's just one laugh after another. It's kinda like FlagDUDE without the violent outbursts.
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