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    Conservatives who cheer sheriffs who defy laws will surely cheer this too, right?

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    Re: The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Abortion Thread

    Cross Louisiana off your destination list. They're about to have a bill themselves...

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    “A good compromise is when both parties are dissatisfied”

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    I got into a long discussion about abortion while having a few cocktails with my youngest daughter. She is of the thought that abortion should be readily available regardless. I am of the thought that with current birth control methods, elective abortion should be available but difficult to obtain and hardly ever performed. Here was our compromise:

    1. All insurances will cover birth control (including IUD, "Morning-after pill", Norplants, BCPs, etc.) Condoms are considered a method of disease prevention not birth control. Tax breaks will be given to companies & providers that provide free birth control to any uninsured women.
    2. A fetal evacuation/extraction may be performed on ANY women whose life is endangered by pregnancy or a victim of rape (this includes incest). These procedures are not considered an abortion.
    3. A women may choose to have a first trimester abortion from a qualified provider for any reason.
    4. All insurances would be required to cover the costs of the first lifetime abortion to 100% of the typical surgical coverage (i.e. If a women's insurance covers 50% or 80% or all of the cost of an appendectomy, it would be the same for an abortion). Second lifetime abortion would be covered at 50% unless women voluntarily agrees to strict birth control methods which would change coverage to 100%. Third abortion would be 25%
    coverage unless women voluntarily agrees to strict birth control methods which would change coverage to 50%. Fourth abortion, hope your bank account is full. (Please note that medical contraindications to all available birth control methods would void the
    decrease in coverage)
    5. Second or third trimester abortions immediately add an additional lifetime abortion to a women's record (e.g. a first time second trimester abortions would be considered the women's second lifetime abortion and so on) unless valid rational can be provided (e.g.
    Medical condition prohibits surgery in first trimester,
    no available provider, etc. "I was too busy" or "I forgot" won't fly).
    6. Failure of documented properly utilized birth control methods that result in a first trimester abortion will not be counted on a women's lifetime abortion record.
    7. All insurances will cover 100% of delivery/prenatal/postnatal costs should baby be carried to term and put up for adoption.

    By NO means is this a perfect plan and it clearly is not built to allow for every contingency out there (we were, after all, sucking down the cocktails). However, it could seemingly cut down on the number of abortions while keeping them readily available. She wasn't totally pleased with the idea but neither was I. Regardless, it will never happen. Both sides use this issue to fire up their base so any compromise is out of the question.

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    My plan is simpler: get government out of vaginas that aren’t theirs.

    Either that or all men when born get mandatory but reversible vasectomies. Upon completion of an evaluation of their competency to father a child, insurance will cover 100% of the costs.

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    My 82 year-old grandmother, slowly losing her battle with dementia, still managed to have the best take on this last night. She can't quite form the sentences right anymore, but the gist of her reaction to the news of the Alabama law was, "It's a private decision, and it should be left at that."
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    My plan is simpler: get government out of vaginas that aren’t theirs.

    Either that or all men when born get mandatory but reversible vasectomies. Upon completion of an evaluation of their competency to father a child, insurance will cover 100% of the costs.

    Take it then that dx supports euthanasia as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    My plan is simpler: get government out of vaginas that aren’t theirs.

    Either that or all men when born get mandatory but reversible vasectomies. Upon completion of an evaluation of their competency to father a child, insurance will cover 100% of the costs.
    Evaluation panel is 100% women over age 50, too!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mookie1995 View Post
    Take it then that dx supports euthanasia as well?
    To the extent the government should butt the **** out, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    To the extent the government should butt the **** out, yes.

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    I think if the states want to keep their laws fine...next time the Dems have control of the Federal Government they should pass a law that states that if a mother is denied an abortion in the first trimester and the baby is brought to term then they are entitled to state funds to pay for childcare. If the baby is born into a low income situation then they are to receive state sponsored welfare.

    if States want babies to be born fine...they can friggin pay for them then. These Right to Lifers can use their tax dollars to help out the babies they so care for.
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    Can federal law dictate state spending as proposed???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    I think if the states want to keep their laws fine...
    Sorry, but at a bare minimum I don't think it's "fine" that a woman be forced to carry to term any unviable, life-threatening, rape-related, and/or incest-related pregnancy in any part of this country.
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    Do people think this will significantly affect that 53% of white women who voted Republican? Honest question.

    All that would need to happen to create a "permanent Democratic majority" is 20% of those women switching from R to D. .2 x .53 x .5 x .77 = .04, and a 4-point defection is an 8-point swing. That's the Presidency (and eventually the Court) and swings of 10 Senate seats and 50 House seats. And it's forever since R can't change its position on abortion; they are anti-abortion to their core.

    Are those women truly anti-abortion (after all, many women are because of religious indoctrination) or are they ideologically allied to R but also, well, women, who can see their rights and their agency being taken away by men?
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    Re: The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Abortion Thread

    No
    Mookie bets that 53% of white women voted for just this reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Do people think this will significantly affect that 53% of white women who voted Republican? Honest question.

    All that would need to happen to create a "permanent Democratic majority" is 20% of those women switching from R to D. .2 x .53 x .5 x .77 = .04, and a 4-point defection is an 8-point swing. That's the Presidency (and eventually the Court) and swings of 10 Senate seats and 50 House seats. And it's forever since R can't change its position on abortion; they are anti-abortion to their core.

    Are those women truly anti-abortion (after all, many women are because of religious indoctrination) or are they ideologically allied to R but also, well, women, who can see their rights and their agency being taken away by men?
    Guessing many of those 53% have daughters who might get knocked up early

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    I suspect a good number of those 53% think that men should think for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    Sorry, but at a bare minimum I don't think it's "fine" that a woman be forced to carry to term any unviable, life-threatening, rape-related, and/or incest-related pregnancy in any part of this country.
    You have to read the rest of the post...it is only fine under one circumstance which is not possible. (the Fed forcing the States to pay for the baby they wouldnt allow aborted) I put it that way for a reason

    (in case you dont get it...it cant happen so they shouldnt be allowed to keep their laws)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    Guessing many of those 53% have daughters who might get knocked up early
    Yeah but those daughters can get abortions...just like the staffers who get knocked up by Pro-Life politicians get them as well. Those abortions are done in the name of the common good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    Yeah but those daughters can get abortions...just like the staffers who get knocked up by Pro-Life politicians get them as well. Those abortions are done in the name of the common good
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    I suspect a good number of those 53% think that men should think for them.
    Yes and no. Just like some men are born and raised to be janitors and construction grunts, some women are born and raised to be brood sows and diner waitresses. Just like Cleetus being jealous of billionaire industrial polluter Blake M. McButtofocco III and his playboy sons who bought their way into Harvard and Yale, it pi55es off Peggy Sue just as much (if not even more) that there are women who got to go to college, and marry rich men, and have more opportunities at the game of life than she did.
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