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    Its easier to 'legally' buy guns than popcorn along the border.
    Whoa. You aren't supposed to back a call for an immigration crackdown with a call for gun control. Don't cross the streams!
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    Re: A Discussion of US Immigration Policy

    Were I a Republican strategist, I'd call for volunteers like the LDS Church, Catholic Charities, evangelical church groups, to become involved in helping the children. Perhaps even start an international relief effort to get the children from Central America into adoption agencies / foster homes starting out from there, rather than have them traverse through Mexico unaccompanied. Move these children out of refugee camps....

    Instead, offer to put lots and lots of these children into good conservative homes where they will be raised to become staunch lifelong Republican voters. Then watch the Democrats suddenly scramble to change their tune.

    Way past time to stop using children as pawns in adult political wars.


    (an organization I'd love to start: SUOCAP.org: stop using our children as pawns.)
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    Your typical foster system is overloaded, so it's not like there isn't a call on all available beds already there. I can't say if that's the case in every single state, but from all I hear, that's the norm.
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    Were I a Republican strategist, I'd call for volunteers like the LDS Church, Catholic Charities, evangelical church groups, to become involved in helping the children. Perhaps even start an international relief effort to get the children from Central America into adoption agencies / foster homes starting out from there, rather than have them traverse through Mexico unaccompanied. Move these children out of refugee camps....

    Instead, offer to put lots and lots of these children into good conservative homes where they will be raised to become staunch lifelong Republican voters. Then watch the Democrats suddenly scramble to change their tune.

    Way past time to stop using children as pawns in adult political wars.


    (an organization I'd love to start: SUOCAP.org: stop using our children as pawns.)
    In one breath you're saying you want to use the children as leverage to get the Democrats to change their tune, and then in the next saying we should stop using the children as pawns.

    Does. Not. Compute.
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    I don't think that was a serious proposal. They of course shouldn't be used for leverage, and various parts of the proposal are not realistic or feasible.
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    Does. Not. Compute.
    That's the whole point of irony, is it not? It is not supposed to "compute." Isn't it supposed to be a jarring juxtaposition of two incompatible ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreshFish View Post
    Were I a Republican strategist, I'd call for volunteers like the LDS Church, Catholic Charities, evangelical church groups, to become involved in helping the children. Perhaps even start an international relief effort to get the children from Central America into adoption agencies / foster homes starting out from there, rather than have them traverse through Mexico unaccompanied. Move these children out of refugee camps....

    Instead, offer to put lots and lots of these children into good conservative homes where they will be raised to become staunch lifelong Republican voters. Then watch the Democrats suddenly scramble to change their tune.

    Way past time to stop using children as pawns in adult political wars.


    (an organization I'd love to start: SUOCAP.org: stop using our children as pawns.)
    I know various Catholic dioceses are welcoming the wetbacks. I don't know whether to applaud or scream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    I know various Catholic dioceses are welcoming the wetbacks. I don't know whether to applaud or scream.
    Wow. Really?

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    That's the whole point of irony, is it not? It is not supposed to "compute." Isn't it supposed to be a jarring juxtaposition of two incompatible ideas?
    If that was supposed to be ironic it was pretty poor. One does not generally use irony to juxtapose two ideas raised by oneself -- it's supposed to be an interesting way to cross-reference existing, non-adjacent ideas.

    I think he just caught you being a hypocrite and you're covering.
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    That's the whole point of irony, is it not? It is not supposed to "compute." Isn't it supposed to be a jarring juxtaposition of two incompatible ideas?
    Um, no. Irony is getting a result that is opposite of the intended/expected effect. If you (Dems) hit me with a stick and then I (Reps) hit you with a bigger stick, there is no irony involved - that's just a good old-fashioned arms race, and the Republicans would have simply clobbered the Dems at their own game. If you swing your stick at me, but it breaks in mid stroke and springs back to hit *you*, then that would be ironic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    If that was supposed to be ironic it was pretty poor. One does not generally use irony to juxtapose two ideas raised by oneself -- it's supposed to be an interesting way to cross-reference existing, non-adjacent ideas.

    I think he just caught you being a hypocrite and you're covering.
    Yeah, if anything he was trying to be satirical and falling miserably.

    Dramatic irony is where the audience is in on it but the speaker isn't, such as Juliet saying her wedding bed will be her deathbed. Situational irony is a firefighter having to put out a fire on his own fire truck.

    This was just...a poor attempt at social commentary.

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    Re: A Discussion of US Immigration Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by FreshFish View Post
    Were I a Republican strategist, I'd call for volunteers like the LDS Church, Catholic Charities, evangelical church groups, to become involved in helping the children. Perhaps even start an international relief effort to get the children from Central America into adoption agencies / foster homes starting out from there, rather than have them traverse through Mexico unaccompanied. Move these children out of refugee camps....

    Instead, offer to put lots and lots of these children into good conservative homes where they will be raised to become staunch lifelong Republican voters. Then watch the Democrats suddenly scramble to change their tune.
    Sounds familiar...
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    Perry's sending a thousand troops to the Mexico border. Feds should do it...but states should also pay their fair share of the overall tax burden. I'd rather not hear 'we need more federal border troops...and see, we have no state income tax' in the same sentence.
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    Perry's sending a thousand troops to the Mexico border. Feds should do it...but states should also pay their fair share of the overall tax burden. I'd rather not hear 'we need more federal border troops...and see, we have no state income tax' in the same sentence.
    It's like private school vouchers: "you should pay for my preferences." Classic back-door free riding, drizzled in the piquant sauce of bogus self-reliance.
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    Yup, only send federal troops to secure the border in states that have high enough state tax rates. That sounds reasonable. Some people really do like and want big brother to control all.
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    Yup, only send federal troops to secure the border in states that have high enough state tax rates. That sounds reasonable. Some people really do like and want big brother to control all.
    Not necessarily. Many states in the north have a high state tax burden in large part due to the weather. If cold weather was a recent phenomena...many states in the north would go to the feds begging for national assistance (and probably get it). But frankly I think its appropriate that the north in general pays higher state taxes due to cold. Not only this, but many states such as MN have also been subsidizing the undue portions other state challenges that they themselves are not financing. Texas is a rich state. The feds carry most of the burden, but Texas will need to carry an undue amount of this burden themselves and they would wise to make it a zero tolerance issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5mn_Major View Post
    Perry's sending a thousand troops to the Mexico border. Feds should do it...but states should also pay their fair share of the overall tax burden. I'd rather not hear 'we need more federal border troops...and see, we have no state income tax' in the same sentence.
    Perry is nothing if not shameless. This is the guy who cut state firefighting funding then whined that the feds were not helping enough when it had the worst wildfire season in history. And he topped it off by asking the population to pray for rain. Apparently not a believer in the whole "the Lord helps those who help themselves" philosophy, at least when it comes to fighting fires.

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    Perry is nothing if not shameless. This is the guy who cut state firefighting funding then whined that the feds were not helping enough when it had the worst wildfire season in history. And he topped it off by asking the population to pray for rain. Apparently not a believer in the whole "the Lord helps those who help themselves" philosophy, at least when it comes to fighting fires.
    This is right out of the Americans for Tax Reform playbook:

    1. Cut taxes and services; wait for a crisis.
    2. Crisis comes, government unable to respond.
    3. Bray "See? Government doesn't work, we told you so!" Go to step 1.

    Repeat endlessly. Those guys have been doing this since 1978 -- it's their whole strategy.
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    Re: A Discussion of US Immigration Policy

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    Not necessarily. Many states in the north have a high state tax burden in large part due to the weather. If cold weather was a recent phenomena...many states in the north would go to the feds begging for national assistance (and probably get it). But frankly I think its appropriate that the north in general pays higher state taxes due to cold. Not only this, but many states such as MN have also been subsidizing the undue portions other state challenges that they themselves are not financing. Texas is a rich state. The feds carry most of the burden, but Texas will need to carry an undue amount of this burden themselves and they would wise to make it a zero tolerance issue.
    Texas, as a state, is a mess in many ways. But protection of U.S. borders is a federal issue, and immigration laws are federal, not state, as we all heard a few years ago when Arizona tried to adopt some draconian measures. I'm not sure I want the Texas, Arizona, California and N.M. militias out in force defending the border.
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