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Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View PostWe have a policy?????
I still look forward to the day I can visit the western 2/3 of Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, which has been closed for like a decade because of unsafe conditions.Originally posted by PricelessGood to see you're so reasonable.Originally posted by ScoobyDooVery well, said.Originally posted by RoverA fair assessment Bob.
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Originally posted by LynahFan View PostNo, we do not. Not even close - assuming, of course, that you do not mean to abandon all of our other military missions at the same time. The border with Mexico is 1,954 miles long. 1 guy can watch, what - 500 ft of the border? That's 21,000 troops - per shift. Figure 6 hour shifts (at best), with travel time to-and-from barracks, so that's 84,000. Allow time off for sickness, training, leaves, etc, and let's call it an even 100,000 people who would need to be actively watching the border. But that's really not enough, because who watches your section while you're detaining someone who you caught coming across? And how can one guy detain 100 people coming across in a group? Figure everyone realistically needs at least one backup, so you're at 200K. Figure 10% overhead to manage and train all those soldiers, and you're at 220K - that's 16% of our total armed forces, or 40% of the US Army.
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Originally posted by Bob Gray View Post
I still look forward to the day I can visit the western 2/3 of Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, which has been closed for like a decade because of unsafe conditions.It's never too early to start the Pre-game festivities
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Originally posted by LynahFan View PostDoes anybody seriously speculate that our agribusiness might not depend extensively on immigrant labor? (you didn't say "illegal immigrant," but even then I would have a hard time believing that food prices wouldn't budge if you waved a magic wand and sent all the illegal immigrant farm workers back home)Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin
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Originally posted by RaceBoarder View PostAlthough this is a small part of the situation that only effects a small portion of the US population, it's something that hits home for me... There are vast stretches of parks and recreation areas that have become unsafe... There have been several instances of problems from border crossers on Falcon Lake and Lake Amistad in Texas... These are two of the best Bass fisheries in the United States... The lakes haven't been completely shut down due to issues, but it has become similar to navigating neighborhoods in a big city... There are "good" areas to fish in and there are "bad" areas that you are ok passing through quickly, but you don't want to do the wrong thing in these areas or spend more time than you have to there... To me, it's just something that peeves me off... We have enough time gaining access to the resources we have available to us... Border problems are not a welcome contributer to this...
Article about a Mesa mom writing a letter to Obama on immigration after her police sergeant son was killed by an illegal immigrant drunk driver. Hopefully he'll pay attention.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/loc...9bb2963f4.htmlOriginally posted by PricelessGood to see you're so reasonable.Originally posted by ScoobyDooVery well, said.Originally posted by RoverA fair assessment Bob.
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Originally posted by Rover View PostAgreed on this point. I never bought the "oh illegals do the work Americans won't" schtick with one exception, agriculture. Its been tried already and the US can't find enough Americans to pick veggies in the field all day. That's why my proposal specifically creates a seasonal visa for these people, but with a provision their money gets wired back home so that they go back when the season is done.
Btw, I do think your plan is measured, fair, and practical - sign me up.If you don't change the world today, how can it be any better tomorrow?
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In typical GOP fashion the Bone Man piped up about the immigration issue.
1. It's Obama's fault.
2. No, you can't have any money, we have that earmarked for petroleum companies.
Boehner Slams Obama on Border Crisis
A visibly frustrated House Speaker John Boehner slammed President Barack Obama's handling of the border crisis Thursday, saying that the commander in chief should take responsibility for the problem.
“This is a problem of the president’s own making,” he said. “He’s been president for five and a half years! When's he going to take responsibility for something?"
Boehner also indicated that House Republicans won’t give the president a “blank check” to deal with the issue. But, he added, he does believe that Congress should act this month to address the influx of unaccompanied minors from Central America.
“I’ll tell you this, we’re not giving the president a blank check,” he said of Obama’s request for a $3.7 billion emergency fund for the humanitarian crisis. “Beyond that, we will await further discussions with our members before we make any final decisions."
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Occupy Mexico. Construct new wall at former Mexican border.Recall Middle Eastern troops to deal with cartels.
Short of that, I don't see an easy answer."I went over the facts in my head, and admired how much uglier the situation had just become. Over the years I've learned that ignorance is more than just bliss. It's freaking orgasmic ecstasy".- Harry Dresden, Blood Rites
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Originally posted by LynahFan View Postwell, I think Americans would do that work - but ...."Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."
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Originally posted by Bob Gray View PostArticle about a Mesa mom writing a letter to Obama on tax evasion after her police sergeant son was killed by a drunk driver who had failed to file tax returns for over a decade. Hopefully he'll pay attention.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/loc...9bb2963f4.html
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Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View PostIn typical GOP fashion the Bone Man piped up about the immigration issue.
1. It's Obama's fault.
2. No, you can't have any money, we have that earmarked for petroleum companies.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/imm...crisis-n152751
What a leader.Legally drunk???? If its "legal", what's the ------- problem?!? - George Carlin
Ever notice how everybody who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everybody who drives faster is a maniac? - George Carlin
"I've never seen so much reason and bullsh*t contained in ONE MAN."
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Originally posted by Rover View PostI've mentioned this before, but I'll reiterate:
For those who came here prior to 2008:
1) If you joined the military and got honorably discharged, you're in. Walk down to city hall and take the oath. You're a citizen, no lines, no waiting.
2) If you were brought here as a kid and got a degree in an area of need (medicine, engineering, etc etc) you get to cut in line as we need your skills. Permanent resident provided no criminal record and work towards citizenship.
3) If you were brought here as a kid and have no college education, but you are gainfully employed, have no criminal record, and your employer will sponser you, get to the back of the line but you have a green card.
4) If you work in agriculture, you may get a temporary seasonal visa whenever you're needed. You must go home and pay should be wired back home to give people and incentive to leave and come back
5) If you don't fit any of these categories, you're here illegally so you have to go. My guess is that this policy particularly the AG part captures a lot of the roughly 10M or so illegals.I wish I am able to live long enough to do all the things I was attributed to.
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Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View PostIn typical GOP fashion the Bone Man piped up about the immigration issue.
1. It's Obama's fault.
2. No, you can't have any money, we have that earmarked for petroleum companies.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/imm...crisis-n152751
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