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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gray View Post
    You conveniently ignore the largely left-leaning mainstream media, but I know that's one of the talking points, so you have to stick to it.
    I'm not sure what you mean. Really. I was trying to capture the entire VLC. MSNBC's ratings are, as far as I know, in the toilet. Who else do you want to count? CNN is just E! at this point, it's only "bias" is towards Hollywood gossip and natural disaster porn. I'll include others if you can make a case, though. NYT has a 2M circulation, but I'll bet that greatly overlaps with TDS.

    I haven't watched the Big Three in 30 years so I don't know if they're slanted. My impression is Fox viewers think if other outlets don't match Fox's partisanship then they're "biased," but that's like saying relative to a beaning a strike is "outside." The strike zone has to be somewhere. My instinct is that Fox is laughably right, MSNBC is laughably left, CNN has left the news game completely to chase the idiot demographic, and nobody else who has any decent share is biased, unless it's "if it bleeds it leads."
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrinCDXX View Post
    I don't remember Amy Klobuchar doing much to get herself in the news during her first term as a senator. She simply earned a reputation as a hard working senator who was simply doing her job. In 2012, the voters in Minnesota seemed to show that they noticed and appreciated that.
    For me, she didn't do enough to vote against her. I can't remember if I voted for her in 2006, but if I did, I did it while holding my nose. The second time around I was ok with voting for her.

    I think the GOP saw the DFL had an absolute lock on that seat and decided to throw a hog out to be slaughtered. Based on the spending table on Wikipedia for that race, it's pretty evident:
    Klobuchar spent $2,500,000 out of $6,300,000 raised
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    Klobuchar earned her rep with voters by prosecuting mostly high profile court cases as the DA for Hennepin County, and winning those cases, that were broadcast by local media quite frequently, back when local news broadcasts still got respectable ratings.
    Sure, that explanation works for why she won in 2006, but how does that explain why her margin of victory in 2012 had increased by nearly 15 percentage points (despite the inherent bump she would have had in 2006 with it being the second midterm of a GOP president)? I think it's reasonable to assume that the voters noticed and approved of how she did in her first term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean. Really. I was trying to capture the entire VLC. MSNBC's ratings are, as far as I know, in the toilet. Who else do you want to count? CNN is just E! at this point, it's only "bias" is towards Hollywood gossip and natural disaster porn. I'll include others if you can make a case, though. NYT has a 2M circulation, but I'll bet that greatly overlaps with TDS.

    I haven't watched the Big Three in 30 years so I don't know if they're slanted. My impression is Fox viewers think if other outlets don't match Fox's partisanship then they're "biased," but that's like saying relative to a beaning a strike is "outside." The strike zone has to be somewhere. My instinct is that Fox is laughably right, MSNBC is laughably left, CNN has left the news game completely to chase the idiot demographic, and nobody else who has any decent share is biased, unless it's "if it bleeds it leads."
    The former Big Three are certainly left leaning, though not nearly as much as a shop like MSNBC. Same with CNN. And throw in the vast majority of the local newspapers in the major metro areas around the country. And NPR. Then you take into consideration websites like Yahoo News and Google News, who both tilt toward the left in what news sources are listed. That's just off the top of my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gray View Post
    The former Big Three are certainly left leaning, though not nearly as much as a shop like MSNBC. Same with CNN. And throw in the vast majority of the local newspapers in the major metro areas around the country. And NPR. Then you take into consideration websites like Yahoo News and Google News, who both tilt toward the left in what news sources are listed. That's just off the top of my head.
    Bob you're off your rocker. I invite you to visit the rest of us in the 21st century. Sunday talk shows nowadays, where most politics gets discussed, are dominated by right wing guests including your own Senator who I believe sleeps in the studio all week under a desk so he'll be there bright and early Sunday AM. CNN is an absolute joke and is disdained by everybody.

    Look, you're getting a bit older and probably don't realize what's going on currently, but any time I see some righty claim CNN is a bastion of liberalism I think "Dinosaur Alert! Run for your lives!" A better question is, if CNN went off the air tomorrow, who would miss it least? Probably lefties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    Ask them who the Speaker of the House, or the Senate's President Pro Tempe is, you'll get blank stares, and a few will guess Obama. We live in a willfully ignorant society.
    I'm sure President Obama is fully supportive of Tempe and all other cities and towns in Arizona.

    The thing to keep in mind about those Jay Walk segments is everybody knows if you want to be on the show, give the wrong answer - preferably the most ridiculous answer possible. You have a choice: get the answer correct and remain anonymous or be ridiculous and have a chance to be on national TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    Bob you're off your rocker. I invite you to visit the rest of us in the 21st century. Sunday talk shows nowadays, where most politics gets discussed, are dominated by right wing guests including your own Senator who I believe sleeps in the studio all week under a desk so he'll be there bright and early Sunday AM. CNN is an absolute joke and is disdained by everybody.

    Look, you're getting a bit older and probably don't realize what's going on currently, but any time I see some righty claim CNN is a bastion of liberalism I think "Dinosaur Alert! Run for your lives!" A better question is, if CNN went off the air tomorrow, who would miss it least? Probably lefties.
    Sunday morning talk shows? But Rover, you know all us good Republicans are sitting in our pews Sunday morning, so we know not of these heathen talk shows you seem to put so much stock in.

    Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, we're all getting a bit older.
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    A fair assessment Bob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priceless View Post
    I'm sure President Obama is fully supportive of Tempe and all other cities and towns in Arizona.
    He loves us so much he showers us with gifts of bus loads of illegals coming in from Texas, since he apparently doesn't think our own border inundates us enough.
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    A fair assessment Bob.

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    Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

    Quote Originally Posted by Priceless View Post
    The thing to keep in mind about those Jay Walk segments is everybody knows if you want to be on the show, give the wrong answer - preferably the most ridiculous answer possible. You have a choice: get the answer correct and remain anonymous or be ridiculous and have a chance to be on national TV.
    To paraphrase Mamma Gump, anyone willing to look like an idiot just to get on television IS an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by busterman62 View Post
    To paraphrase Mamma Gump, anyone willing to look like an idiot just to get on television IS an idiot.
    Better to be an idiot on national TV than an anonymous guy with intelligence! Just look at the TLC lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gray View Post
    He loves us so much he showers us with gifts of bus loads of illegals coming in from Texas, since he apparently doesn't think our own border inundates us enough.
    And they have Ebola!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gray View Post
    The former Big Three are certainly left leaning, though not nearly as much as a shop like MSNBC. Same with CNN. And throw in the vast majority of the local newspapers in the major metro areas around the country. And NPR. Then you take into consideration websites like Yahoo News and Google News, who both tilt toward the left in what news sources are listed. That's just off the top of my head.
    If everybody's "leaning left," maybe it's just you leaning really far right?

    Put it this way. Reporting on evolution and climate change as fact is not bias, it's science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Priceless View Post
    I'm sure President Obama is fully supportive of Tempe and all other cities and towns in Arizona.
    Do the Mariners still train in Tempe? I remember as a 14-year old reading NYT box scores of Mariners' spring training games in 1977 and imagining this really mystical place called "Tempe."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    If everybody's "leaning left," maybe it's just you leaning really far right?

    Put it this way. Reporting on evolution and climate change as fact is not bias, it's science.
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    "I was the only one in the whole parade marching in step."
    Nice. What's that from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    If everybody's "leaning left," maybe it's just you leaning really far right?

    Put it this way. Reporting on evolution and climate change as fact is not bias, it's science.
    This argument has gone on a thousand times. You, being a leftie, don't see a new organization reporting in leftie-favoring ways as being biased. I, not being a leftie, see it differently. And I know you'd flip the word back the other way. People never see bias in their favor as much as they do when bias isn't in their favor.
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    Do the Mariners still train in Tempe? I remember as a 14-year old reading NYT box scores of Mariners' spring training games in 1977 and imagining this really mystical place called "Tempe."
    Tempe, Arizona is named after the Vale of Tempe in Greece.

    The Mariners train at the Peoria Sports Complex, which they share with the Padres. Spring training locations have moved around a lot in the Cactus League as teams leverage for new facilities and a few teams have shifted here from Florida. Just saw an article the other day that they're razing Compadre Stadium in Chandler, where the Brewers used to train, to make way for new developments. I remember going there to see a game, and it was way out in the middle of nowhere at that time. But it was a pretty simple basic place, on the other end of the spectrum from the 15,000 capacity fancy digs the Cubs just got in Mesa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gray View Post
    People never see bias in their favor as much as they do when bias isn't in their favor.
    I don't know whether this is proven, but I would imagine it's a pretty easy psych experiment.

    It also doesn't speak to the point, which is that people with strong opinions regard the absence of a strong opinion as much evidence of opposition as its negation. If you know chemtrails are the Reptilians terraforming Earth then you also know the media is in on it, since otherwise they'd be reporting on it. You're not asking the media to take your word for it -- you just want neutrality.
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    I'm sure President Obama is fully supportive of Tempe and all other cities and towns in Arizona.
    See, that's what happens when I post between interviewing new hires.
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    Re: 2nd Term Part VIII - The Thin Red Line

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gray View Post
    Tempe, Arizona is named after the Vale of Tempe in Greece.

    The Mariners train at the Peoria Sports Complex, which they share with the Padres. Spring training locations have moved around a lot in the Cactus League as teams leverage for new facilities and a few teams have shifted here from Florida. Just saw an article the other day that they're razing Compadre Stadium in Chandler, where the Brewers used to train, to make way for new developments. I remember going there to see a game, and it was way out in the middle of nowhere at that time. But it was a pretty simple basic place, on the other end of the spectrum from the 15,000 capacity fancy digs the Cubs just got in Mesa.
    Interesting. Thank you.
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