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    Quote Originally Posted by burd View Post
    That's how the petrified Pioist teatard mind works. You cannot support the troops but not the mission without violating the Jane Fonda rule.
    "I don't speak monkey!" Just so we're clear: "supporting" the troops includes causing POWs to be tortured. After all, "it's for their own good." And they deserve it anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Pio View Post
    "I don't speak monkey!" Just so we're clear: "supporting" the troops includes causing POWs to be tortured. After all, "it's for their own good." And they deserve it anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Pio View Post
    Bollocks. You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts. Can you adduce any evidence that commemoration of Confederate Memorial Day is meant to celebrate the "murders" of Union soldiers? Or is that just something that "everybody" (read: *******s) "knows?"

    So in your mind, Jane Fonda traveling to Hanoi and doing propaganda for an enemy and causing our POWs to be tortured is what, bad manners? And she was merely the most prominent person who collaborated with the North Vietnamese, not the only one. But that's your specialty, isn't it? Moral equivalence. Jane Fonda's treasonous behavior stands on its own. And isn't ameliorated by what others do. Why can't you just criticize her? Because you approve? That what she did was an exercise of her "First Amendment rights?" Rights, which btw, you seem somewhat less enthusiastic about supporting for southerners who want to celebrate their heritage. Typical. Nobody's being killed in the Civil War now. Many Americans were being killed while Jane Fonda gave aid and comfort to our enemies in Hanoi. A distinction which you're evidently unable to make. And doesn't matter.

    All of those "Tories" used to be in your party, baby cakes. H*ll, you even nominated a couple of 'em to run with Adlai.
    I'm not sure how Jane Fonda "caused" POWs to be tortured. I'm pretty sure they were, and were going to continue, to be tortured anyway.

    Secondly, I'm sure those Tories will tell us they are celebrating "state's rights" or some other BS. The bravery of those troops that sacrificed for a cause so noble. Never you mind that the right they were fighting for was the right to own slaves.

    Does Jane Fonda celebrate Vietnamese Memorial Day, do you suppose? Would you support her if she did? I mean, they didn't kill nearly as many American soldiers as the Confederates did. And if you want to talk POW camps, I wonder how Andersonville stacks up to the Hanoi Hilton...

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    Don't forget the Union POW camp in (H)Elmira.

    Victors write the history and tend to gloss over their embarrassments.

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    Don't forget the Union POW camp in (H)Elmira.

    Victors write the history and tend to gloss over their embarrassments.
    Yes, and I'm sure the hole at Gitmo is a vacation spot. I doubt OP will be celebrating Taliban Memorial Day either.

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    Yes, and I'm sure the hole at Gitmo is a vacation spot. I doubt OP will be celebrating Taliban Memorial Day either.
    If it weren't for your shabby moral equivalence arguments, you'd be rendered mute.

    The "hole" at Gitmo includes meals with more calories and nutrients than those pigs are accustomed to consuming (they have all put on weight), medical and dental care which most of them had never had, painted indications on cell floors showing which direction Mecca is and access to the Koran. Except for the hardest of the hard core, life at Gitmo is pretty good.

    As to "Taliban Memorial Day," you'd be the one more likely to break out the black flag and execute some women for the "crime" of learning how to read than I.
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    I'm not sure how Jane Fonda "caused" POWs to be tortured. I'm pretty sure they were, and were going to continue, to be tortured anyway.

    Secondly, I'm sure those Tories will tell us they are celebrating "state's rights" or some other BS. The bravery of those troops that sacrificed for a cause so noble. Never you mind that the right they were fighting for was the right to own slaves.

    Does Jane Fonda celebrate Vietnamese Memorial Day, do you suppose? Would you support her if she did? I mean, they didn't kill nearly as many American soldiers as the Confederates did. And if you want to talk POW camps, I wonder how Andersonville stacks up to the Hanoi Hilton...
    Perhaps you should learn a bit about the subject before shooting off your mouth. Many of our POW's, including John McCain, have written that they were tortured specifically because they refused to participate in Fonda's dog and pony show. See the gooks, unlike you, understood what a propaganda coup it was to have a big motion picture star carrying water for them. And how important it was to have POWs "voluntarily" participating in her photo ops. Despite the fact that such appearances violated the protocols of the Geneva Conventions. She made ten propaganda broadcasts on radio Hanoi. And called POWs who said they were tortured "liars."

    Honestly, what is it with you and the Civil War? You've apparently learned only one lesson and must have been out of the room when a great man suggested "with malice toward none, with charity for all." 150 years later and you're still wanting to hunt down "rebels" with dogs. Give it up, would ya? Besides, nothing said or done then (or now) regarding the war justifies Jane Fonda's collaboration.

    Your arguments here are childish, forced and irrelevant. And even those who customarily disagree with me will agree with that. Nothing anybody has ever done, anywhere, justifies Jane Fonda. Period. You just can't bring yourself to utter a syllable of criticism, can you? Because you apparantly agree with what she did. And are too gutless to admit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by burd View Post
    Are you feeling dizzy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Pio View Post
    "You got nothin'," junior.
    Well, you know, to a casual observer you seem to be talking yourself back and forth and in circles to avoid moving away from that philosophical dot you've been on for the last 40 years.

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    Well, you know, to a casual observer you seem to be talking yourself back and forth and in circles to avoid moving away from that philosophical dot you've been on for the last 40 years.
    Whereas you cling tenaciously to your most recent "conviction".
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    Do you get the feeling that certain incumbents are desperate for votes? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...637_story.html

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    Do you get the feeling that certain incumbents are desperate for votes? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...637_story.html
    The cows are out of the barn, we'll get single payer before they repeal obamacare. Maine has a repub campaigning with a promise to repeal obamacare, the guy is a weasel.
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    You complain about moral equivalence yet are quick to bring up Jane Fonda to justify people who committed armed treason against the United States. Again, the actions of one actress (however vile) do not nearly equate to an entire section of this country rebeling against our country.

    Yes, I'm aware of the Lincoln quote from his second inaugural. What he got for his trouble is a bullet in the back of the head. I wonder if he might have felt a bit different about maliceg and charity if he'd somehow survived. Regardless, the men who committed that treason against the United States are celebrated as heroes and "the War of Northern Aggression" is still popular in some circles. Maybe if they'd been shown more malice and less charity they'd be remembered 150 years later as the traitors they were. People should feel no different about the Stars and Bars as they do about the Nazi Swastika.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    Do you get the feeling that certain incumbents are desperate for votes? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...637_story.html
    An unwarranted and unworkable intrusion of the federal government into something that each State needed to decide on.

    Plus the SCOTUS decision delineated the authority of Congre$$ to tax anything at anytime for any purpose. I'm one of those who prefers a limited role for the federal establishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priceless View Post
    You complain about moral equivalence yet are quick to bring up Jane Fonda to justify people who committed armed treason against the United States. Again, the actions of one actress (however vile) do not nearly equate to an entire section of this country rebeling against our country.

    Yes, I'm aware of the Lincoln quote from his second inaugural. What he got for his trouble is a bullet in the back of the head. I wonder if he might have felt a bit different about maliceg and charity if he'd somehow survived. Regardless, the men who committed that treason against the United States are celebrated as heroes and "the War of Northern Aggression" is still popular in some circles. Maybe if they'd been shown more malice and less charity they'd be remembered 150 years later as the traitors they were. People should feel no different about the Stars and Bars as they do about the Nazi Swastika.
    For Lincoln, who knew his Bible, the parable of the Prodigal Son may be a good point of reference.

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    You complain about moral equivalence yet are quick to bring up Jane Fonda to justify people who committed armed treason against the United States. Again, the actions of one actress (however vile) do not nearly equate to an entire section of this country rebeling against our country.

    Yes, I'm aware of the Lincoln quote from his second inaugural. What he got for his trouble is a bullet in the back of the head. I wonder if he might have felt a bit different about maliceg and charity if he'd somehow survived. Regardless, the men who committed that treason against the United States are celebrated as heroes and "the War of Northern Aggression" is still popular in some circles. Maybe if they'd been shown more malice and less charity they'd be remembered 150 years later as the traitors they were. People should feel no different about the Stars and Bars as they do about the Nazi Swastika.
    Washington is to be remembered as a hero because we won that insurrection, but Davis is to be remembered as a villain because they lost that one?

    Not a rhetorical question. I recognize the slavery component.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burd View Post
    Washington is to be remembered as a hero because we won that insurrection, but Davis is to be remembered as a villain because they lost that one?

    Not a rhetorical question. I recognize the slavery component.
    Victors (usually) write history. I have little doubt that if the British had won that war the history books, if they even mentioned him at all, would tell us of the traitor Washington. Of course, if we were still a British colony, we might be speaking German instead of English 25 years ago the mujahideen were brave freedom fighters in the war against the Soviets. Haven't heard anyone call them brave lately...

    In the case of the Civil War, the victors did not write the history that much, as many Southerners still believe in the "War of Northern Aggression" and celebrate men like Davis, Lee and Stonewall Jackson as heroes. Hell, most of the military installations in the South are named after Confederate generals. That would be like naming an army base after Hitler, Tojo or bin Laden. Do we have any bases named after Cornwallis, Tarleton or Howe?

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    Victors (usually) write history. I have little doubt that if the British had won that war the history books, if they even mentioned him at all, would tell us of the traitor Washington. Of course, if we were still a British colony, we might be speaking German instead of English 25 years ago the mujahideen were brave freedom fighters in the war against the Soviets. Haven't heard anyone call them brave lately...

    In the case of the Civil War, the victors did not write the history that much, as many Southerners still believe in the "War of Northern Aggression" and celebrate men like Davis, Lee and Stonewall Jackson as heroes. Hell, most of the military installations in the South are named after Confederate generals. That would be like naming an army base after Hitler, Tojo or bin Laden. Do we have any bases named after Cornwallis, Tarleton or Howe?
    All true, but it seems like we are dealing with different degrees of separation. Even with our cousins, the English, it was less like we were fighting against our family, friends, and neighbors on farms and in towns and cities where we may have visited those people. Most colonists' emigration to America was an act of rejection of some kind, whether it was to escape something or to pursue opportunities unavailable in England or western Europe.

    I just cannot see how you get to the comment that people should feel no different about the Stars and Bars than they do about the Nazi Swastika.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burd View Post
    All true, but it seems like we are dealing with different degrees of separation. Even with our cousins, the English, it was less like we were fighting against our family, friends, and neighbors on farms and in towns and cities where we may have visited those people. Most colonists' emigration to America was an act of rejection of some kind, whether it was to escape something or to pursue opportunities unavailable in England or western Europe.

    I just cannot see how you get to the comment that people should feel no different about the Stars and Bars than they do about the Nazi Swastika.

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    Because both the Nazis and the Confederacy waged war against the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Priceless View Post
    Because both the Nazis and the Confederacy waged war against the United States.
    So should we feel the same about the union jack?

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