Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

But you're conveniently leaving out the part that you don't want to talk about. It doesn't say "If the puck goes in off a skate, no goal" - it says if it is DIRECTED in it's no goal, if it's NOT directed in, it's a goal. In BOTH cases it goes in off a skate. You're deliberately trying to muddle the issue. True about the "stopping" part, but that doesn't negate the rest of it, which you are (I feel) intentionally leaving out...and I don't care one way or another because I'm not a Maine OR Merrimack fan.

What you're leaving out is that the rule requires the referee to determine "intent" when that is nearly impossible. When it's a bang-bang play like that, how can you possibly determine the intent of the player? You can't crawl inside someone's brain and determine that. Anthoine was stopping so he wouldn't run into Cannata, I doubt he ever saw the puck...but if there's any doubt at all, wave off the goal. Just eliminate the clause and have referees officiate the game and leave the headshrinking to trained professionals.

[TripleE]

Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

Maine's Black Bears of Boston group will host a pregame event at The Greatest Bar on Friend Street http://thegreatestbar.com/ before the game on Friday, and would expect it to be back at the same place Saturday should Maine win Friday night.

Thanks Bob

Time?

[acs64]

Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

Kick it in or direct it in by changing skate blade angle - NO GOAL

No kick or no redirection of skate blade angle, whether stopping or not - GOAL


Very clear and simple. But the refs dont follow the rules most of the time on this. I'd be willing to bet if the player is looking down at his skate when the puck changes direction, 99% of the time it will be waived. = suspicion of intent If the player is looking up in the stands at that stacked blond, itza goal!

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

Kick it in or direct it in by changing skate blade angle - NO GOAL

No kick or no redirection of skate blade angle, whether stopping or not - GOAL


Very clear and simple. But the refs dont follow the rules most of the time on this. I'd be willing to bet if the player is looking down at his skate when the puck changes direction, 99% of the time it will be waived. = suspicion of intent If the player is looking up in the stands at that stacked blond, itza goal!

when you say stacked, you're talking about the number of chins, right?

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

Thanks Bob

Time?

Would just get there early, as place is big so even if the event is on the 3rd floor you'll notice a distinct blue color throughout. Band should make an appearance but event will likely go until 7 or possibly a bit later.

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

when you say stacked, you're talking about the number of chins, right?

Hope not

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

What you're leaving out is that the rule requires the referee to determine "intent" when that is nearly impossible. When it's a bang-bang play like that, how can you possibly determine the intent of the player? You can't crawl inside someone's brain and determine that. Anthoine was stopping so he wouldn't run into Cannata, I doubt he ever saw the puck...but if there's any doubt at all, wave off the goal. Just eliminate the clause and have referees officiate the game and leave the headshrinking to trained professionals.

No...they're looking to see if there was a MOTION of the skate "directing" the puck towards the goal. It's not intent - it's visual evidence. That's not crawling into their head. That's the whole justification (in their eyes) of the replay. By slowing the play down you can see things that you couldn't possibly be expected to see real time. I get that. Of course it's a bang-bang play - that's the whole point. But what I'm saying is that if they then don't make the RIGHT call, it's pointless to even go to replay. And personally, I think they would rather make the safe, or less controversial call so as not to open themselves up to criticism. So if you're going to do that, why bother?

And that's why it's ludicrous. Why SHOULD they bring wrath upon themselves? The problem is not the rule - the rule is clear. The problem is (and always is) the interpretation of the rule. If it hits a guy's skate and he clearly did not make a motion with his foot to direct the puck, then it should be ruled a goal. If they DON'T call it that way, that's not my fault. But that doesn't make the RULE wrong. Since so many are reluctant to do that, however, we're right back where we started from.

I still say just let them play the game. Are we going to review every cross-check to see if (in the words of the immortal Johnny Pierson "two hands on the stick, no part of the stick on the ice, Fred") it's really a penalty? Every trip to see if he actually touched the puck before making contact with the player? Every offside while we go frame-by-frame to see if part of the skate was still in contact with the blue line when the puck entered the zone? And I'm not being sarcastic. But where does it end?

PLAY THE GAME!!

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

Someone at NHL.com thinks that Abbott and Flynn may see some action after this season is over for Maine: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=621766

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

Kick it in or direct it in by changing skate blade angle - NO GOAL

No kick or no redirection of skate blade angle, whether stopping or not - GOAL


Very clear and simple. But the refs dont follow the rules most of the time on this. I'd be willing to bet if the player is looking down at his skate when the puck changes direction, 99% of the time it will be waived. = suspicion of intent If the player is looking up in the stands at that stacked blond, itza goal!

Well, based on years of following Maine Hockey, this particular law is immutable: if a puck goes off a Maine player's skate into an opponent's net, it is No Goal. If a puck goes off an opponent's skate into Maine net, it is a Goal. You should know better than that.

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

Well, based on years of following Maine Hockey, this particular law is immutable: if a puck goes off a Maine player's skate into an opponent's net, it is No Goal. If a puck goes off an opponent's skate into Maine net, it is a Goal. You should know better than that.

lucas lawson

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

lucas lawson

I am talking about the newer crop of Refs. If there were some way to collate data on this in this century alone, and also the no. of times a Maine goal was disallowed due to crease violations vs. when the other team did it and was not disallowed and these were similiar, I think we'd be shocked at the results. Ref Bias, I tell ya

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

Someone at NHL.com thinks that Abbott and Flynn may see some action after this season is over for Maine: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=621766

These two players have flown under the radar and have developed tremendously at Maine. The slapshot by Abbott last night was a howitzer. The way he strided into the puck on the pass from Shemansky was incredible. There was no way Cannata could have reacted quick enough to stop that one.

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

These two players have flown under the radar and have developed tremendously at Maine. The slapshot by Abbott last night was a howitzer. The way he strided into the puck on the pass from Shemansky was incredible. There was no way Cannata could have reacted quick enough to stop that one.

Reminded me of the blast the Minnesota player put past Jimmy Howard in an NCAA game years ago to win it I think 1-0 for Minnie...played at Marriucci ?

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

By the way, how's that petition going on Facebook? I don't do Facebook.

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Re: Maine thread (cont) - Hobey Abbott goes Dancing

Did anybody else notice Shemansky had one heck of a game yesterday?