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defkit
03-12-2012, 05:41 PM
I suggest we should be able to have a great atmosphere in the arena and still have it be family friendly.

Personally I think that instead of splitting the students up, they should have concentrated them all in the sections surrounding 118... sections 115 to 101 are students (or however many sections are required). People in those sections should expect to stand up for the whole game. Other sections, expect to be sitting down (and cheering) except for the points of the game when something brings you to your feet.

Cheers from the students need to be more creative. The "BC Sucks" thing inserted at every possible opportunity has become about as old and as lame as it gets. (Are they still inserting "the song" into the "seive" chant after a goal? Way back, I remember 108 being loud and even boarderline obnoxious, but never overly vulgar but at one point it did start to get pretty bad and they started leaving notes on everyones seats about the use of profanity etc.

There are some cheers that seem to be long lost that always seemed to involve the whole areana (not just the students):

- Rhett skating on the ice, pointing to sections 1-7, lowering his hands to the ice then lifting them up making the crowd louder, then repeating for sections 8-14... kind of like a contest between the two sides on who could be louder.

- Ogre or Roachman standing up with the "Hey Everybody... give me a T (etc etc) cheer.

I agree the atmosphere does need to improve though.

I also haven't seen Rhett lay a BC shirt over his fire hydrant and lift his leg while skating by...in a long time. I used to enjoy that one.

brassbonanza
03-12-2012, 06:03 PM
I suggest we should be able to have a great atmosphere in the arena and still have it be family friendly.

Personally I think that instead of splitting the students up, they should have concentrated them all in the sections surrounding 118... sections 115 to 101 are students (or however many sections are required). People in those sections should expect to stand up for the whole game. Other sections, expect to be sitting down (and cheering) except for the points of the game when something brings you to your feet.

Cheers from the students need to be more creative. The "BC Sucks" thing inserted at every possible opportunity has become about as old and as lame as it gets. (Are they still inserting "the song" into the "seive" chant after a goal? Way back, I remember 108 being loud and even boarderline obnoxious, but never overly vulgar but at one point it did start to get pretty bad and they started leaving notes on everyones seats about the use of profanity etc.

There are some cheers that seem to be long lost that always seemed to involve the whole areana (not just the students):

- Rhett skating on the ice, pointing to sections 1-7, lowering his hands to the ice then lifting them up making the crowd louder, then repeating for sections 8-14... kind of like a contest between the two sides on who could be louder.

- Ogre or Roachman standing up with the "Hey Everybody... give me a T (etc etc) cheer.

I agree the atmosphere does need to improve though.

I agree, it can still be an atmosphere that everyone can enjoy, even children. I'm just objecting to them overdoing it to the point that it becomes a Sesame Street Live atmosphere. When I was student, there were some at Agganis that tried to get us to stop saying you're a racist when Yip took a penalty. They tried to get us to stop I suck, I blow, I'm Benedetto. Of course, this all stems from the original swearing ban that came at the beginning of 06-07, but it has gone WAY beyond what the original intentions of that were. And from what I understand, it's not even administrative, it's arena. From things I've heard since I graduated, there are many in the administration that don't believe the security presence is necessary anymore since there really are no problems, but the arena insists on having the RSIG in the student sections in high volume. I certainly am not advocating for the overt use of profanity, but even before I left in 09, it was reaching a point where the culture of the student sections was such that no one wanted to do anything or say anything beyond generic Go BU cheers so they wouldn't have to deal with RSIG. They still go around before games and tell everyone "let's keep it clean tonight", and I understand to this day, they still do it from time to time. THERE IS NO REASON FOR THAT! That is the overly proactive culture I'm talking about and what started the culture I saw if everyone just going mute. I think the students made some huge strides this year in getting back to a more unified fun atmosphere, especially on the road - interestingly enough, not under the constant watchful eyes of RSIG. (The guy at the bottom of 116 literally stands looking up into 117 and 118 the ENTIRE game, even these spring break UNH games when there were 50 kids there.) And sure enough, they still rarely use profanity. And I've even seen them self-police themselves, when some rogue kids start yelling BS, others around them tell them to shut up. We can discuss various cheers that should or shouldn't be used, but that's not the argument I'm making. I'm arguing about the culture that is created throughout the student sections, and to an extent, throughout the whole arena, by the needless pervasiveness of RSIG that has completely sucked the life out of the place and made it into a morgue, and it needs to stop, that place is becoming an embarrassing home environment, and that's one of the main reasons why. Get these freaking people out of the arena next year, they are a disgrace to the program and the atmosphere that I, many before me, many with me, and many after me worked extensively to create as students.


brass, have you brought this up with anyone? If the section feels that way, I'd strongly suggest contacting the school, particularly the President's office instead of just the athletic department. BU is desperate to increase their donor base as during the end of the Silber Reign of Terror they sunk down to single digits in % of alumni donating. Telling them that 1000 students are going to be so PO'd by their school experience and will give zero dollars due to an overaggressive arena staff might get somebody's attention.

In my experiences with the arena, albeit not within the past few years, they don't care. I've filled out the season ticket holder surveys with answers longer than anything I've written here, about various things, RSIG and beyond, and nothing has changed. I even complained to the head of security when I was age profiled and asked to take my hat off before the Denver game without being given a reason why (to check for nips?!) and he looked at me and justified it as a reasonable search for alcohol. He claimed there was an abundant problem of empty nips being found in the student sections after games. Never mind that was only the second regular season home game of the season so this problem apparently occurred in abundance at the first UNH game. In all of my time in the student sections, I never once saw anyone take out, drink from, or mix a nip into a drink. I also know of instances where RSIG got the arena into trouble at concerts and other non-BU events for taking too much action against concert goers and grossly mistreating other guests, and in the end, nothing was done. I would not anticipate getting any type of reasonable response from arena staff about this.

If anyone there is reading this and would like to contact me directly, my account number is 574344, you have my email/phone, I'd be more than happy to discuss this further with you.

brassbonanza
03-12-2012, 06:05 PM
I also haven't seen Rhett lay a BC shirt over his fire hydrant and lift his leg while skating by...in a long time. I used to enjoy that one.

I wouldn't be shocked to see a guy in a blue windbreaker run onto the ice and tell Rhett he needs to take that off because it's against the rules. More seriously, if a student did this, they would be threatened by RSIG. I made a BU Bingo board once a long time ago, and the "free space" square was "BC Sucks". It was a piece of paper about four inches wide, and I had to argue with them for 10 minutes to even let me into the arena solely because of that. Finally, I agreed to cover it with a napkin and keep it covered with a napkin. It's the culture.

Agganis
03-12-2012, 06:38 PM
I wouldn't be shocked to see a guy in a blue windbreaker run onto the ice and tell Rhett he needs to take that off because it's against the rules. More seriously, if a student did this, they would be threatened by RSIG. I made a BU Bingo board once a long time ago, and the "free space" square was "BC Sucks". It was a piece of paper about four inches wide, and I had to argue with them for 10 minutes to even let me into the arena solely because of that. Finally, I agreed to cover it with a napkin and keep it covered with a napkin. It's the culture.

Yet shockingly some fool brought in a "UNH loves Dick" sign Friday and they did nothing. The number of signs they've taken away that are tamer than that is insane. Less consistent than the refs.

chickod
03-12-2012, 08:12 PM
But as long as there's a family atmosphere, and they're filling the stands...

But they're NOT filling the stands. When we thought above giving up our season tickets after five years, the geniuses in the ticket office basically said (in as non-chalant a way as possible) "Eh...go ahead. We have tons of people on the waiting list to get your seats." How did that work out? At $32 a pop?
Give me a break...

brassbonanza
03-12-2012, 08:24 PM
But they're NOT filling the stands. When we thought above giving up our season tickets after five years, the geniuses in the ticket office basically said (in as non-chalant a way as possible) "Eh...go ahead. We have tons of people on the waiting list to get your seats." How did that work out? At $32 a pop?
Give me a break...

I agree, I should have rephrased it to fill the stands enough. They're getting enough people now that if they dropped prices for everyone and 1K more showed up, it would offset. At the least do some tiered pricing for upper corner seats or something, or offer legitimate deals for crappy games and QF games. And for christ's sake, NO MORE TICKETMASTER. Even when they've offered one or two times $15 tickets, there's still a $2 building fee and another $6-7 TM fee, so that $15 is really much closer to $25. Ridiculous. $32 to a QF game...are you kidding me??

mwade
03-12-2012, 10:11 PM
my response is always: "Stand up if you can't see." And it's not like I stand the entire game. I only jump up for a goal (or if the puck is deep in the corner, it's a critical moment in the game and/or I can't see)...

Sorry, while it doesn't affect me often anymore, as a former fan attendee who hated standers, got to reply.

1. Standing doesn't equal support. Standing doesn't equal or increase noise. See plently of standers with their mouths shut, on their cell phones or chatting w/ their buddies.
2. Who says I can see if I stand up too? People are different heights and some folks can't stand period. Plus when you stand for an exciting moment, our bodies aren't linked so mine rises at the same time. Instead YOU block me seeing "the" moment while I'm trying to stand/see around you.
3. May your view of an important moment be blocked by a giant.

joen05
03-12-2012, 10:24 PM
I think that the most effective thing that can be done quickly to address the atmosphere issue is, as ericxdaze posted, to move all the students to one end, and keep them with the band. I also really like the idea of placing people based on what they prefer to do during a game, so standers can be closer to the 118 area while others can be placed closer to center, etc.

brassbonanza
03-12-2012, 10:38 PM
Sorry, while it doesn't affect me often anymore, as a former fan attendee who hated standers, got to reply.

1. Standing doesn't equal support. Standing doesn't equal or increase noise. See plently of standers with their mouths shut, on their cell phones or chatting w/ their buddies.
2. Who says I can see if I stand up too? People are different heights and some folks can't stand period. Plus when you stand for an exciting moment, our bodies aren't linked so mine rises at the same time. Instead YOU block me seeing "the" moment while I'm trying to stand/see around you.
3. May your view of an important moment be blocked by a giant.

With respect to what I was talking about about the sit down and shut up attitude, that was when standing and yelling at a ref during a stoppage in play. I do respect that many do not want and can't stand for a whole game, and that's fine with me. But during a stoppage in play, after a goal, etc., jumping up and yelling is entirely acceptable and those who want everyone to treat the place like a lecture hall need to GTFO.

Agganis
03-12-2012, 10:39 PM
I think that the most effective thing that can be done quickly to address the atmosphere issue is, as ericxdaze posted, to move all the students to one end, and keep them with the band. I also really like the idea of placing people based on what they prefer to do during a game, so standers can be closer to the 118 area while others can be placed closer to center, etc.

I originally hated that the students were split up, but since spring '09 both have been mostly full, vocal, and standing so I would prefer the status quo. Two separate sections allows for call and response chants, as well as one side to rest their breath without silence in the rink because the other side is chanting.

joen05
03-12-2012, 11:41 PM
I originally hated that the students were split up, but since spring '09 both have been mostly full, vocal, and standing so I would prefer the status quo. Two separate sections allows for call and response chants, as well as one side to rest their breath without silence in the rink because the other side is chanting.

I do like the call and response, but an issue with the students being so far apart from each other is that it's very difficult to keep chants in sync. Granted, this is a result of the physics of sound in general, but if all the students were together, they'd be more unified in chants, which help with the atmosphere more than call and response at this point. Also, there would be less competing chants, where one side is trying to do one thing while the other trying something else. Just my opinion on the split sections. At WBA, with the closer student sections, everything just seemed more in sync.

Maybe there could be something to teach the crowd the sieve chant or cowbell cheer or something. That would help get the more casual fan involved perhaps?

chickod
03-13-2012, 06:27 AM
Sorry, while it doesn't affect me often anymore, as a former fan attendee who hated standers, got to reply.

1. Standing doesn't equal support. Standing doesn't equal or increase noise. See plently of standers with their mouths shut, on their cell phones or chatting w/ their buddies.
2. Who says I can see if I stand up too? People are different heights and some folks can't stand period. Plus when you stand for an exciting moment, our bodies aren't linked so mine rises at the same time. Instead YOU block me seeing "the" moment while I'm trying to stand/see around you.
3. May your view of an important moment be blocked by a giant.

Jeez...feel the love. You're joking, right? Or maybe you don't understand the use of popular vernacular. "Standing" doesn't mean I stand the entire game for 2 1/2 hours through stoppages, Zamboni resurfaces and mini one-on-one. Have you ever heard the phrase "he brought the crowd to their feet?" I don't mean I just STAND UP for minutes at a time. So are you suggesting I sit there the entire game and never get up once? If not, what exactly are you saying? We have enough laws in this state...would you like to pass another one requiring the use of seat belts at the arena, as if I were on a trans-continental flight??? Should I wear a blinker on my back and turn the signal on when I'm about to get up (even though it's spontaneous - NOT pre-meditated - or don't you understand that, either)? Pretty soon they'll be passing regulations on when we can breathe...

I am so sick of this GD politically correct society. You know what, why don't you just get a press pass and take your pictures and leave the rest of us alone? Or get a high chair. And by the way, I'm 57 years old and have no intention of acting like an old **** (just so that you won't think I'm a wise-*** college student) Nor am I hiding behind "anonymity." I would tell you the same thing to your face at a game.

mookie1995
03-13-2012, 06:59 AM
Jeez...feel the love. You're joking, right? Or maybe you don't understand the use of popular vernacular. "Standing" doesn't mean I stand the entire game for 2 1/2 hours through stoppages, Zamboni resurfaces and mini one-on-one. Have you ever heard the phrase "he brought the crowd to their feet?" I don't mean I just STAND UP for minutes at a time. So are you suggesting I sit there the entire game and never get up once? If not, what exactly are you saying? We have enough laws in this state...would you like to pass another one requiring the use of seat belts at the arena, as if I were on a trans-continental flight??? Should I wear a blinker on my back and turn the signal on when I'm about to get up (even though it's spontaneous - NOT pre-meditated - or don't you understand that, either)? Pretty soon they'll be passing regulations on when we can breathe...

I am so sick of this GD politically correct society. You know what, why don't you just get a press pass and take your pictures and leave the rest of us alone? Or get a high chair. And by the way, I'm 57 years old and have no intention of acting like an old **** (just so that you won't think I'm a wise-*** college student) Nor am I hiding behind "anonymity." I would tell you the same thing to your face at a game.

GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!!



:D :p

chickod
03-13-2012, 07:05 AM
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!!

There's plenty of room over at Mugar for those who want to go to the library. And there are plenty of movie theatres around...heck, you can even go over to Morse Auditorium (is that still there?) and take in a lecture. I did plenty of that when I was in college. Right now we're talking about a hockey game...if I can't show a little enthusiasm then I'll stay home like everyone else. And that's EXACTLY what we have been discussing on this thread (and why there were 2503 [cough cough] there Sunday night - I think they were counting shoes - there were REALLY 1251.5) :D

Of course, you can always listen to Randy Newman talk about you...

mwade
03-13-2012, 07:10 AM
Jeez...feel the love. You're joking, right? Or maybe you don't understand the use of popular vernacular. "Standing" doesn't mean I stand the entire game for 2 1/2 hours through stoppages, Zamboni resurfaces and mini one-on-one. Have you ever heard the phrase "he brought the crowd to their feet?" I don't mean I just STAND UP for minutes at a time. So are you suggesting I sit there the entire game and never get up once? If not, what exactly are you saying? We have enough laws in this state...would you like to pass another one requiring the use of seat belts at the arena, as if I were on a trans-continental flight??? Should I wear a blinker on my back and turn the signal on when I'm about to get up (even though it's spontaneous - NOT pre-meditated - or don't you understand that, either)? Pretty soon they'll be passing regulations on when we can breathe...

I am so sick of this GD politically correct society. You know what, why don't you just get a press pass and take your pictures and leave the rest of us alone? Or get a high chair. And by the way, I'm 57 years old and have no intention of acting like an old **** (just so that you won't think I'm a wise-*** college student) Nor am I hiding behind "anonymity." I would tell you the same thing to your face at a game.

Nope, not joking and not exaggerating like you. You stand - other people can't see the game, whether they then stand or not. But hey, your experience at the game is clearly more important than theirs, so screw 'em, right?

As for your second paragraph - what the f is politically correct about not being an *** and blocking other fans' views? And you don't use your name on your account so you are hiding.

Yell your lungs out to support the team; don't f over your fellow fans.

chickod
03-13-2012, 07:30 AM
I seriously don't get you. So when there's a great play and I spontaneously "jump up" and get excited, you're really serious that I should just stay "glued to my seat?" Are you for real? You call that "inconsiderate?" My dad took me to Fenway Park when I was 6. When someone hit a home run, everyone STOOD UP and cheered. It's a "natural" thing for humans, or don't you understand that? I don't recall yelling at everyone to "sit down." I got up like everyone else. Did I see every square inch of the field? No...but we're not in our living room. If you want that experience, fine, go to Channel 702 on DirecTV during Wimbledon and you can see everything from Serena's bra strap showing under her dress to the beads of sweat dripping off Nadal's jaw. And you can watch six matches at once to boot.

You say "what is politically correct" about this? What do you call PROHIBITING me from standing up SPONTANEOUSLY during an exciting moment of a game? Like I said before, if you don't agree with the "fan mentality," sit in the press box where you have an unobstructed view. It's because of people like you that Agganis is a DEAD arena. I UNDERSTAND about being "considerate." I don't INTENTIONALLY try to block people's views. I have already mentioned ad nauseum that it is SPONTANEOUS (look it up - it's in the dictionary). It is NOT pre-meditated! If you think that is "f-ing" over my "fellow fans," then you're an idiot. If you want to sit in a theatre, don't go to a hockey game. Go to your "controlled environment" like the rest of your Orwell/Huxley zombie morons. And I'm done with this pointless "discussion."

chickod
03-13-2012, 07:34 AM
I suggest we should be able to have a great atmosphere in the arena and still have it be family friendly.

Nope..can't do that. You have to sit down at all times...keep your seat belt on and respect those around you. Well, you CAN yell as long as you are sitting down. Of course, that's not inconsiderate...screaming right next to someone's ear directly in front of you. But at least you're not blocking the view of someone behind you. We want to restrain ourselves and not have too much FUN at these games. The RSIG mobility police are watching...

chickod
03-13-2012, 08:21 AM
For those of you (sadly) too young to remember...watch this incredible video to see what it was like to go to a game before the elitist snobs took over our lives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUEHAUJsKDE

This particular clip (stolen from the UNH thread with apologies to C-H-C) was from "Lively Snively" arena back in the 70s...enjoy! Look at the crowd shots...

claver2010
03-13-2012, 08:49 AM
In all of my time in the student sections, I never once saw anyone take out, drink from, or mix a nip into a drink.

I have a hard time believing that



I am so sick of this GD politically correct society. You know what, why don't you just get a press pass and take your pictures and leave the rest of us alone? Or get a high chair. And by the way, I'm 57 years old and have no intention of acting like an old **** (just so that you won't think I'm a wise-*** college student) Nor am I hiding behind "anonymity." I would tell you the same thing to your face at a game.

DOWN IN FRONT!


:D

chickod
03-13-2012, 09:13 AM
I have a hard time believing that

DOWN IN FRONT!

:D

She's probably taller than I anyway... ;)