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Re: CC vs UNO goal waved off
Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View PostBased upon the rule kdilks cited, the officials made the correct call in "no goal". There was an obvious follow-through in the player's stride.
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Originally posted by Arpod View PostWhat I find most amazing about the whole sequence is that video review CHANGED the call on the ice. I am not aware of a single instance in CCHA play this season where video review reversed a goal/no goal call on the ice. Not one (and if there is an example, I'd love to see it). Not sure how they do it in the WCHA, but in the CCHA the ref making the call on the ice is the ref who reviews the video. Occasionally (maybe 20% of the time) he recruits the second ref. It seems to me that it is unlikely under the best of circomstances that a ref is going to admit to making the wrong call. I guess the same is perhaps more true if the partner that did not make the call is reviewing it (how likely is he to say his buddy messed up?). Given that the frequency of reversal is near zero, why even have the rule? It's a quick game and they don't reverse bad penalty calls, so why should goals be any different?
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Originally posted by Driftryder View PostI watched the game last night and figured they would wave off that goal, he didn't blatantly kick at it but it looked like it angled off his skate and in. Tough callBottom Line: If you deserve to win the national championship then don't worry about who you play, when, and where. Just keep winning.
Exception: You are right about the refs. They, no doubt, have it in for <insert your team name here>!
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Originally posted by Arpod View PostWhat I find most amazing about the whole sequence is that video review CHANGED the call on the ice. I am not aware of a single instance in CCHA play this season where video review reversed a goal/no goal call on the ice. Not one (and if there is an example, I'd love to see it). Not sure how they do it in the WCHA, but in the CCHA the ref making the call on the ice is the ref who reviews the video. Occasionally (maybe 20% of the time) he recruits the second ref. It seems to me that it is unlikely under the best of circomstances that a ref is going to admit to making the wrong call. I guess the same is perhaps more true if the partner that did not make the call is reviewing it (how likely is he to say his buddy messed up?). Given that the frequency of reversal is near zero, why even have the rule? It's a quick game and they don't reverse bad penalty calls, so why should goals be any different?
Originally posted by Koho View PostIf not for the line about "when in doubt, disallow", I would say it should be a goal. The word "directed" as opposed to "deflected" has always implied intent. The language added about stopping is added to cover for when a player changes the direction of his skates to direct the puck, vs changing direction to stop. The player's skate barely wavers from going in a straight line, which may be to hit the puck, but is also a natural move when you think you are about to be hit by the guy next to you. From other angles, can you tell if the player is looking at the puck when he does this? If not, I would say it should be a goal. The act of following through with a skating stride alone should not be enough to disallow. Not following through with his stride in this case would more likely cause it to be disallowed.
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Originally posted by alnike View PostI agree. IMO, Zombo slightly angled his right skate to redirect itBrandon Pirri: Turk would give it to Jagr. That's awesome! Jagr's untouchable. And he would give it to Jagr.
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As a CC fan, I obviously have some bias here, but by the *rule* this seems like a pretty easy call. One can argue whether the rule is good, but I don't think there's much argument that this was the correct call according to the rule.Colorado College Hockey: Finding new and creative ways to break your heart since 1957.
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I think under the rule as quoted it's a goal. When I go through the rule carefully, it says to me that there are two situations where the goal is disallowed: when the puck is kicked in, and when the puck is "directed" in, whether off a skate or any body part. But if it just hits you and goes in, then it's a goal, regardless of which direction you're moving or what part of you (or your equipment) it hits. In order to disallow the goal, the official has to decide that the puck was either "kicked" or "directed" into the goal. Deflections are goals. It does say that when in doubt the goal should be disallowed, but I don't see anything in the video to suggest the player was "directing" the puck. It hit his skate.
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Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
My reasoning for no goal was the language of the player stopping. The player was not stopping, but instead clearly following through his stride as if he were continuing to go forward. I'm not going to get into an intent argument with you, because there's nothing in the rule book that says anything about intent. If he wasn't following through his stride, then depending upon the change he could be trying to stop, and in that scenario, I would consider the possibility of it being a goal.Last edited by Koho; 02-18-2012, 11:42 AM.
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Re: CC vs UNO goal waved off
Oh, oh..........
Boom goes the dynamite.
Coach Blais might suspended, fined, sanctioned, admonished, or something for this:
http://www.omaha.com/article/2012021...s-comeback-bid
What are the NCAA/WCHA rules about criticizing officiating? This is probably a little over the line. Depends on how you take it, I guess.
I'll say this about the events of last night, something I have said, elsewhere. And that is I would never have thought it possible that anything could ever make me wish for CCHA officials or officiating.Last edited by Red Cows; 02-18-2012, 12:26 PM.
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Originally posted by Red Cows View PostOh, oh..........
Boom goes the dynamite.
Coach Blais might suspended, fined, sanctioned, admonished, or something for this:
http://www.omaha.com/article/2012021...s-comeback-bid
What are the NCAA/WCHA rules about criticizing officiating? This is probably a little over the line. Depends on how you take it, I guess.
I'll say this about the events of last night, something I have said, elsewhere. And that is I would never have thought it possible that anything could ever make me wish for CCHA officials or officiating.
After a review, though, the goal was disallowed as officials ruled it was intentionally kicked.
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IS that the official word? It was called a kick? Someone brought to my attention that he was also in the crease. I was so caught up in thinking they were concentrating on the kicking, however, his foot was in the goal crease before the puck. So technically, that would be a violation.
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If you back off the fine print and look at the spirit of the law, it's no goal. It was kicked in. Kudos to the refs for taking the time to get it right.Huskies are very intelligent and trainable. Huskies make an excellent jogging companion, as long as it is not too hot. Grooming is minimal; bathing is normally unnecessary.
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Originally posted by Pants View PostIS that the official word? It was called a kick? Someone brought to my attention that he was also in the crease. I was so caught up in thinking they were concentrating on the kicking, however, his foot was in the goal crease before the puck. So technically, that would be a violation.
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