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norm1909
02-14-2012, 11:25 AM
ENJOY.

Composite Rankings Are Here Now (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/icehockey-men/d3/diii_regional_rankings)

Current Scoring Below:

EAST Region Here. (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankingsRedirect&sportCode=MIH&region=5&division=3)

WEST Region Here. (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankingsRedirect&sportCode=MIH&region=10&division=3)

OSU2010
02-14-2012, 11:51 AM
When will the actual rankings come out?

Transplanted Tiger Fan
02-14-2012, 11:52 AM
Breaking-out my popcorn on this one... :D

norm1909
02-14-2012, 11:58 AM
Breaking-out my popcorn on this one... :D

+1:p

jerrynu26
02-14-2012, 12:09 PM
;)So, if this was the end of the year, Oswego/Plattsburgh, and Norwich/castleton all would get in, leaving Elmira as the last pool C team?

nysportsfan29
02-14-2012, 12:30 PM
EAST Region Here. (http://web1.ncaa.org/champsel_new/exec/staticpdfrank?doWhat=publicrankingsRedirect&sportCode=MIH®ion=5&division=3)


I guess we know why the West always gets shorted. The NCAA seems to think there are 2 West Regions so they must be getting enough teams in no matter what.

Edit: Blast, they fixed it.

Dyce
02-14-2012, 12:32 PM
Yep, clicked the link, missed the date, and got really confused.

d3follower
02-14-2012, 02:31 PM
Here you go:

East Region Region Record Overall Record
1. Oswego State 19-2-2 19-2-2
2. Norwich 15-2-1 19-2-1
3. Amherst 17-3-1 18-3-1
4. Plattsburgh State 16-3-4 16-3-4
5. Elmira 14-7-2 14-7-2
6. Manhattanville 13-6-3 13-6-3
7. Utica 14-7-2 15-7-2
8. Castleton 12-5-2 15-5-2
9. Bowdoin 13-5-3 13-5-3
10. Neumann 12-7-2 13-7-2
11. Middlebury 11-8-3 11-8-3
12. Hobart 12-10-1 12-10-1
13. Wesleyan (Connecticut) 11-8-2 11-9-2
14. Williams 10-7-5 10-7-5
15. Fredonia State 8-6-3 10-6-3


West Region Region Record Overall Record
1. St. Norbert 15-5-5 15-5-5
2. St. Scholastica 14-7-4 14-7-4
3. Wisconsin-River Falls 16-7-2 16-7-2
4. St. Thomas (Minnesota) 17-2-2 17-3-2
4. Gustavus Adolphus 13-6-4 13-6-4
6. Wisconsin-Stevens Point 12-9-4 12-9-4
7. Wisconsin-Eau Claire 10-11-3 11-11-3

thatswhatshesaid
02-14-2012, 02:40 PM
;)So, if this was the end of the year, Oswego/Plattsburgh, and Norwich/castleton all would get in, leaving Elmira as the last pool C team?

As of right now it looks like they would take two ECAC W teams in pool C over Castleton. The only way I see Castleton possibly sneaking in is if they can sweep Skidmore this weekend and get to the ECAC E championship. Even if that happens they still might not get the pool C bid unless those ECAC W teams fall. In my opinion, Castleton has to win the ECAC E championship, giving them an automatic bid to get in, otherwise they will get snubbed like last year.

PSUChamps2001
02-14-2012, 02:43 PM
As of right now it looks like they would take two ECAC W teams in pool C over Castleton. The only way I see Castleton possibly sneaking in is if they can sweep Skidmore this weekend and get to the ECAC E championship. Even if that happens they still might not get the pool C bid unless those ECAC W teams fall. In my opinion, Castleton has to win the ECAC E championship, giving them an automatic bid to get in, otherwise they will get snubbed like last year.

The good/bad thing about the West is that yes getting all 5 in is a good thing, but now that hurts there W/L vs Ranked opponents even more. Had one of those West teams gone undefeated (or somewhere close to it) it would have helped them. With another weekend left and at least one more game vs ranked oppoenent in the playoffs its still up in the air.

thatswhatshesaid
02-14-2012, 02:55 PM
The good/bad thing about the West is that yes getting all 5 in is a good thing, but now that hurts there W/L vs Ranked opponents even more. Had one of those West teams gone undefeated (or somewhere close to it) it would have helped them. With another weekend left and at least one more game vs ranked opponent in the playoffs its still up in the air.

Good point. Not to mention the crazy possibility of a West Region team finding their way into the pool C bid. There are a lot of scenarios, and until the season is finished and we start to see conference champions emerge, it's all up in the air. Forget March madness, how bout February Madness!

nysportsfan29
02-14-2012, 03:02 PM
How come Norwich's region record on the NCAA site is listed at 15-2-1? They are leaving out 4 wins, but they haven't played any Western teams.

Utica and Castleton have also been shorted 1 and 3 regional wins, respectively, despite not playing any teams from the West. :confused:

OSU2010
02-14-2012, 03:03 PM
How come Norwich's region record on the NCAA site is listed at 15-2-1? They are leaving out 4 wins, but they haven't played any Western teams.

Utica and Castleton have also been shorted 1 and 3 regional wins, respectively, despite not playing any teams from the West. :confused:

Norwich played some DII teams which don't count

norm1909
02-14-2012, 03:07 PM
How come Norwich's region record on the NCAA site is listed at 15-2-1? They are leaving out 4 wins, but they haven't played any Western teams.

Utica and Castleton have also been shorted 1 and 3 regional wins, respectively, despite not playing any teams from the West. :confused:

Games against DII schools (aka Northeast-10 (http://collegehockeystats.net/1112/schedules/ne10)) do not count as DIII games for this purpose.

nysportsfan29
02-14-2012, 03:08 PM
Norwich played some DII teams which don't count

According to their schedule page, all of their games have been against ECAC East opponents save for 2 against Plattsburgh, 2 against Middlebury, and one each against Fitchburg and Morrisville.

nysportsfan29
02-14-2012, 03:09 PM
Games against DII schools (aka Northeast-10 (http://collegehockeystats.net/1112/schedules/ne10)) do not count as DIII games for this purpose.

That's what I thought.

For some reason the Northeast-10 page on USCHO does not have Saint Anslem or St. Mike's listed. I wasn't aware DII and DIII teams could be in the same conference.

PSUChamps2001
02-14-2012, 03:14 PM
If I have this right...



OSWEGO 6-2-1
NORWICH 5-0-1
AMHERST 5-3-1
PLATTSBURGH 5-1-4
ELMIRA 10-6-0
MANHATTANVILLE 6-5-2
UTICA 6-7-2
CASTLETON 1-4-0
BOWDOIN 5-2-1
NEUMANN 5-7-2
MIDDLEBURY 4-6-1
HOBART 4-6-1
WESLYAN 3-6-0
WILLIAMS 1-5-3
FREDONIA 1-7-0

AldenPartridge1819
02-14-2012, 03:25 PM
A couple thoughts:

I think Norwich and Castleton both get hurt by the fact that they have to play 4 D2 games. If they can't figure out a solution after this 2-year buffer period or whatever, I hope that the league lets them go. As much as I hate the fact that two teams might be left in the cold, it just doesn't make sense to play 4 games that don't count. Imagine if Norwich and Castleton were able to play 4 more non-league games against good teams and went 3-1 or 4-0, we'd be looking at Norwich as #1 and Castleton ahead of the ECAC-W teams thanks to WIN and RNK. Now, I know it could also backfire if you went 1-3 or 0-4 in those non-league games, but at least they would count. I'd rather see my team play games that count and take their chances.

Bowdoin could still sneak up on the ECAC-W teams if they go 4-0 then lose to Amherst in the finals. Either that, or another team beats Amherst in the tourney and Amherst gets the Pool C. I don't know why, but I just have a strange feeling that somehow the NESCAC is going to get two teams in.

norm1909
02-14-2012, 03:26 PM
If I have this right...



OSWEGO 6-2-1
NORWICH 5-0-1
AMHERST 5-3-1
PLATTSBURGH 5-1-4
ELMIRA 10-6-0
MANHATTANVILLE 6-5-2
UTICA 6-7-2
CASTLETON 1-4-0
BOWDOIN 5-2-1
NEUMANN 5-7-2
MIDDLEBURY 4-6-1
HOBART 4-6-1
WESLYAN 3-6-0
WILLIAMS 1-5-3
FREDONIA 1-7-0



Record against ranked teams?

jerrynu26
02-14-2012, 03:34 PM
A couple thoughts:

I think Norwich and Castleton both get hurt by the fact that they have to play 4 D2 games. If they can't figure out a solution after this 2-year buffer period or whatever, I hope that the league lets them go. As much as I hate the fact that two teams might be left in the cold, it just doesn't make sense to play 4 games that don't count. Imagine if Norwich and Castleton were able to play 4 more non-league games against good teams and went 3-1 or 4-0, we'd be looking at Norwich as #1 and Castleton ahead of the ECAC-W teams thanks to WIN and RNK. Now, I know it could also backfire if you went 1-3 or 0-4 in those non-league games, but at least they would count. I'd rather see my team play games that count and take their chances.

Bowdoin could still sneak up on the ECAC-W teams if they go 4-0 then lose to Amherst in the finals. Either that, or another team beats Amherst in the tourney and Amherst gets the Pool C. I don't know why, but I just have a strange feeling that somehow the NESCAC is going to get two teams in.

It's my understanding htat the ECAC has decided that StMIkes and St A's get an additional two years, wiht possibly two more after that! For the record, I'm not in favor.