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Matt Rennell
02-12-2012, 10:34 PM
According to this report, the NCAA is seriously considering it and are working on making it happen.

http://www.d3hockey.com/notables/2011/Stories/120212-DIII_Championship_site_to_merge_with_DI

This could have a ripple effect on a lot of things such as ice conditions. Hotel accommodations, for example, the city would need hotel space for up to 4 more teams plus staff and fans. It will also likely raise ticket prices and make practice time very limited.

What does everyone else think of this idea?

irishfan85
02-12-2012, 10:38 PM
I would imagine that D3 would be Friday-Sunday and D1 would be Thursday-Saturday or vice versa. No way do they make them the same gates.

Matt Rennell
02-12-2012, 10:41 PM
I would imagine that D3 would be Friday-Sunday and D1 would be Thursday-Saturday or vice versa. No way do they make them the same gates.

Even so, thats 3 more games plus roughly 6 extra team practices over the 4 day span. By the time we reach the championship games, the ice will be in rough shape.

Dirty
02-12-2012, 10:55 PM
I blame Jason Zucker.

HumRsky
02-13-2012, 08:02 AM
Even so, thats 3 more games plus roughly 6 extra team practices over the 4 day span. By the time we reach the championship games, the ice will be in rough shape.
I don't know how many practices take place at the X, but during the WCHA Final Five there are six games in three days, including a Sat afternoon Wild game, and I haven't noticed any problems with the ice.

JF_Gophers
02-13-2012, 08:05 AM
DIII Teams could play at a local HS rink on the same weekend. It's not like they have more then 5 fans.

FlagDUDE08
02-13-2012, 08:16 AM
The D-III people must be tired of having their championship determined on Olympic ice, when most play on smaller-than-NHL ice. ;)

Ralph Baer
02-13-2012, 09:49 AM
It would make more sense to me to include the women's D-I championship than the men's D-III, and that doesn't make much sense either.

LtPowers
02-13-2012, 09:50 AM
DIII Teams could play at a local HS rink on the same weekend. It's not like they have more then 5 fans.

Boy, do you have no freaking clue what you're talking about.


Anyway, I don't have a strong opinion on this, but I wonder how they'll work the timing out. As it is, the women's D-I and both genders D-III seasons end almost a month earlier than the men's D-I season.


Powers &8^]

JF_Gophers
02-13-2012, 09:57 AM
Boy, do you have no freaking clue what you're talking about.If they had such a great following, they wouldn't be trying to merge the event with another one to prop it up.

FlagDUDE08
02-13-2012, 10:06 AM
If they had such a great following, they wouldn't be trying to merge the event with another one to prop it up.

Take a trip to the northeast (specifically NY and VT) and you'll find you are sorely mistaken. ;)

Red Cows
02-13-2012, 10:16 AM
It would make more sense to me to include the women's D-I championship than the men's D-III, and that doesn't make much sense either.

FYI, the City of Omaha made just such a proposal to the NCAA a few years back. City leaders have tried relentlessly to get a Frozen Four here.

The City proposed having the men play at the Centurylink Center and the women at the Civic Auditorium (capacity for hockey is 8,314), which is just a few blocks away from Centurylink.

Omaha's unique situation, having two large arenas so close together (well, Columbus could pull this off, too), with hotels and the city's entertainment district also very close by was something the city thought the the NCAA would bite on. They didn't. I forget who did get the bid and what year, specifically, but it was obviously since the Centurylink Center was built, so, in the last decade or so.

This is a great idea, for whatever city gets the nod, if they do it. I wonder if it would detract attention from one event or the other--having both in the same city at the same time.

du78
02-13-2012, 10:18 AM
Lacrosse already does this with having the DI, DII and DII championships all on the same site on the same weekend. This year the DI games are on 5/26 & 28 and the DII and DII games are on 5/27. I think this is a good idea as more fans will be in attendance and will be exposed to more games with no down days. It could become a 4-day affair showcasing the best teams in all divisions. The traditional cities that have hosted the FF have a number of rinks that could be used for practices so I don't think there would be an issue with teams needing practice facilities. For example when MSG is finished with it renovation in NYC, the twin rinks at Chelsea Piers a few blocks away could be used as a practice facility. In Denver, the two rinks at DU could be used for practice with the games being held at the Pepsi Center downtown. Minnesota, Boston, etc. have more than enough rinks where practices could be held. I like the idea.

Red Cows
02-13-2012, 10:31 AM
DIII Teams could play at a local HS rink on the same weekend. It's not like they have more then 5 fans.

LOL. Yeah, provided this is happening some place where there is high school hockey. There sure isn't at any high school in Nebraska (although there has been recent, serious discussion about this).

irishfan85
02-13-2012, 10:36 AM
Take a trip to the northeast (specifically NY and VT) and you'll find you are sorely mistaken. ;)

Look, I'm a D1 fan. I've followed Merrimack and Maine for over 25 years now. I also love hockey and have gone to several D3 games each year. I've had friends play for Norwich and several play for NESCAC schools. With the exception of Norwich, Middlebury, Plattsburg, Oswego, D3 crowds are very sparse. Also, even if you get everyone who goes to those games to follow their team to the Frozen Four, that's 2000 per team.

Beer Pong Horn
02-13-2012, 10:46 AM
Omaha's unique situation, having two large arenas so close together (well, Columbus could pull this off, too), with hotels and the city's entertainment district also very close by was something the city thought the the NCAA would bite on. They didn't. I forget who did get the bid and what year, specifically, but it was obviously since the Centurylink Center was built, so, in the last decade or so.

It would work for Minneapolis/St. Paul (Xcel and either Mariucci/Ridder or Target Center), and I'm sure there are other cities for which it could work.

EDIT: Duh, Boston would be one, with TD Banknorth, Agganis, Conte Forum, and Matthews, among other smaller arenas.

FlagDUDE08
02-13-2012, 10:57 AM
Look, I'm a D1 fan. I've followed Merrimack and Maine for over 25 years now. I also love hockey and have gone to several D3 games each year. I've had friends play for Norwich and several play for NESCAC schools. With the exception of Norwich, Middlebury, Plattsburgh, Oswego, D3 crowds are very sparse. Also, even if you get everyone who goes to those games to follow their team to the Frozen Four, that's 2000 per team.

Consider me spoiled by locations, then. I'm used to seeing a good deal of community support for the local hockey team.

irishfan85
02-13-2012, 11:01 AM
Consider me spoiled by locations, then. I'm used to seeing a good deal of community support for the local hockey team.

Yes. Oswego averages probably about 2600. Plattsburg has a capacity of 2000 and change and sells out a lot. Norwich and Middlebury do well. Who else averages over 2000? And Norwich and Middlebury are averaging a lot less than 2000. There are some other consistently good teams (Hobart) who don't get 500.

Flashy Man
02-13-2012, 11:13 AM
Yes. Oswego averages probably about 2600. Plattsburg has a capacity of 2000 and change and sells out a lot. Norwich and Middlebury do well. Who else averages over 2000? And Norwich and Middlebury are averaging a lot less than 2000. There are some other consistently good teams (Hobart) who don't get 500.

http://www.uscho.com/stats/attendance/division-iii-men/2011-2012/

FlagDUDE08
02-13-2012, 11:22 AM
One common thread I notice with the top 7 (the only communities where I'm not too familiar are Geneseo, and Norwich if it wasn't for an Across the Fence special) is that they are tight-knit communities that are willing to offer strong support. I'm not sure how well they travel (aside from the four that IF85 mentioned).