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MinnesotaNorthStar
02-11-2012, 02:54 AM
DX...you do realize that the red from the circle in the clip your touting as proof actually shields the point of contact right? ;)

dxmnkd316
02-11-2012, 02:58 AM
Leave me to my windmills dammit!!!!

Gurtholfin
02-11-2012, 03:01 AM
Leave me to my windmills dammit!!!!

Admit you were wrong so I can go to bed. :p:)

FRICKER
02-11-2012, 03:02 AM
I was there & it was cheap. I also agree that the rule needs to be changed,,,,,,,,an eye for an eye!

Bale
02-11-2012, 03:03 AM
So because he got hurt, it should be a DQ? WHat about the hit on Leddy a few years back. Got knocked out for a long time. I said it now and I'll say it again: The guy didn't deserve a suspension and probably didn't deserve a penalty.

Any hit that results in an injury deserves a DQ for you huh?

So, a couple of points here. No, it shouldn't be a DQ because he got hurt. The reason that it should be a DQ or game misconduct is because of the way that Rau approached Zucker and they way he checked him. According to the rules that the NCAA has published and focused on, this was exactly the type of play that they were trying to eliminate. Just a couple of lines from the points of emphasis section of the 2010-2012 NCAA rulebook...

*To make this rule clearer, any time a player targets the head or neck area of an opponent, it must be a major penalty and a game misconduct penalty at a minimum.
* The committee reminds coaches and players that the responsibility remains with the player making the hit to avoid contact with the head and neck area of an opposing player. Any contact which directly targets the player’s head and neck area must be penalized with a major penalty and a game misconduct or disqualification. A player delivering a check to an unsuspecting and vulnerable player puts themselves in jeopardy of being penalized under this rule.


* Officials are to pay particular attention to these examples when applying this rule. These are intended as guidance and include, but are not limited to, the following:
• A player that has just released a shot or pass;
• A player that delivers a late hit;
• A player that extends and directs the arm, elbow, forearm or shoulder to contact the head and neck area of the opponent;
• A player that leaves the skates or launches in order to deliver a blow to the head or neck area of the opposing player.

The other thing about this is that, it doesn't matter if one of the referees didn't see the penalty occur. On this kind of a penalty, the linesman are able to assist the referee to make the call. There is an assumption being made that they called this a game misconduct because of the injury, but that's not necessarily true. The linesman is able to go to the referee and explain to him what he saw.

Gurtholfin
02-11-2012, 03:08 AM
So, a couple of points here. No, it shouldn't be a DQ because he got hurt. The reason that it should be a DQ or game misconduct is because of the way that Rau approached Zucker and they way he checked him. According to the rules that the NCAA has published and focused on, this was exactly the type of play that they were trying to eliminate. Just a couple of lines from the points of emphasis section of the 2010-2012 NCAA rulebook...

*To make this rule clearer, any time a player targets the head or neck area of an opponent, it must be a major penalty and a game misconduct penalty at a minimum.
* The committee reminds coaches and players that the responsibility remains with the player making the hit to avoid contact with the head and neck area of an opposing player. Any contact which directly targets the player’s head and neck area must be penalized with a major penalty and a game misconduct or disqualification. A player delivering a check to an unsuspecting and vulnerable player puts themselves in jeopardy of being penalized under this rule.


* Officials are to pay particular attention to these examples when applying this rule. These are intended as guidance and include, but are not limited to, the following:
• A player that has just released a shot or pass;
• A player that delivers a late hit;
• A player that extends and directs the arm, elbow, forearm or shoulder to contact the head and neck area of the opponent;
• A player that leaves the skates or launches in order to deliver a blow to the head or neck area of the opposing player.

The other thing about this is that, it doesn't matter if one of the referees didn't see the penalty occur. On this kind of a penalty, the linesman are able to assist the referee to make the call. There is an assumption being made that they called this a game misconduct because of the injury, but that's not necessarily true. The linesman is able to go to the referee and explain to him what he saw.

Did they write this rule before or after tonight's incident? That basically covers the entire thing. Thanks for posting although it's a guarantee that someone will still try to see it differently.

Not DX though. He's coming around...

dxmnkd316
02-11-2012, 03:11 AM
Admit you were wrong so I can go to bed. :p:)

NEVER!! :D

Asking me to admit I'm wrong is like trying to figure out a way to rip eight neutrons off a 126-neutron nucleus.

Chris
02-11-2012, 03:30 AM
So, a couple of points here. No, it shouldn't be a DQ because he got hurt. The reason that it should be a DQ or game misconduct is because of the way that Rau approached Zucker and they way he checked him. According to the rules that the NCAA has published and focused on, this was exactly the type of play that they were trying to eliminate. Just a couple of lines from the points of emphasis section of the 2010-2012 NCAA rulebook...

*To make this rule clearer, any time a player targets the head or neck area of an opponent, it must be a major penalty and a game misconduct penalty at a minimum.
* The committee reminds coaches and players that the responsibility remains with the player making the hit to avoid contact with the head and neck area of an opposing player. Any contact which directly targets the player’s head and neck area must be penalized with a major penalty and a game misconduct or disqualification. A player delivering a check to an unsuspecting and vulnerable player puts themselves in jeopardy of being penalized under this rule.


* Officials are to pay particular attention to these examples when applying this rule. These are intended as guidance and include, but are not limited to, the following:
• A player that has just released a shot or pass;
• A player that delivers a late hit;
• A player that extends and directs the arm, elbow, forearm or shoulder to contact the head and neck area of the opponent;
• A player that leaves the skates or launches in order to deliver a blow to the head or neck area of the opposing player.

The other thing about this is that, it doesn't matter if one of the referees didn't see the penalty occur. On this kind of a penalty, the linesman are able to assist the referee to make the call. There is an assumption being made that they called this a game misconduct because of the injury, but that's not necessarily true. The linesman is able to go to the referee and explain to him what he saw.

...and the NCAA sent out a memo to all the conferences this past summer reiterating all of this...somebody has to be a completely ignorant moron to think that rau's chickenchit self wasn't deserving of being booted off the ice, in line with the rules that ALL teams and players must adhere to.

burd
02-11-2012, 07:24 AM
Zapruder and tenterhooks on one page? Cool.

Bakunin
02-11-2012, 08:25 AM
Did they write this rule before or after tonight's incident? That basically covers the entire thing.
Yep. Hit was late, player had released a shot/pass, and Rau's hands definitely got to the "head/neck area".

The idea that it should only have been a minor penalty is laughable, and the militant opposition to a potential 1 game suspension or whatever the WCHA may hand down upon reviewing the incident is also laughable.

Perhaps TrixAre4morans or whatever his name is will think a few more times before posting again. :p

EAinEagan
02-11-2012, 09:08 AM
What did Rau get called for? 5 minutes for charging and a DQ?
5 for boarding and game misconduct.

I'll be ****ed if this ends up as a suspension when I haven't seen any suspensions this year for actual boarding and checking from behind calls. Or even for Blood attacking Rau in the handshake line. I still say give him two for charging and two more for unsportsmanlike and call it a day. It does bother me that the hit went from nothing when it happened to five and a game because it was Zucker and he was hurt.

Bakunin
02-11-2012, 09:23 AM
Where do all these low post total / recent registration people come from? And they all mysteriously defend the indefensible.

Too ****ing funny.

Read the rule that was posted earlier in the thread - it's not too hard to do. By rule, it's a major penalty - no ifs, ands, or buts no matter how skewed and idiotic your perspective may happen to be. Hit was late, delivered to a vulnerable player who had gotten rid of the puck, and he followed through to the head/neck area. An official handing out a minor or double minor for that is not following the rules as stipulated by the NCAA.

Carmine Scarpaglia
02-11-2012, 09:54 AM
That is headhunting and he should get a game for that...

Absolutely.

Diversity Fighter
02-11-2012, 10:02 AM
I'm sorry Zucker got hurt.
I don't think the hit should Rau cost a game.
I regularly see worse hits than this that are not even penalized.

Chris Clark Fan Club
02-11-2012, 10:26 AM
What is wrong with these gopher idiots that think this should have only been a double minor? It was obviously late and cheap! I am all for finishing a check but don't come from 10 feet off the puck when it isn't there.

$hit like this is going to continue to happen unless they make the penalty severe enough!

Stauber1
02-11-2012, 10:29 AM
I hope Zucker is OK and can get back on the ice this week, if not for the game today for practice later.
My initial thought was concussion. Hopefully it is just a minor shoulder injury.

Rau deserved 5 and a game for that. It was late. It was against the wall. He had plenty of time to decide not to lay the hit.
Bottom line, it was a reckless and dangerous hit that resulted in injury. These are the kinds of hits that need to be eliminated from the game.

Anyone saying there needs to be some sort of accountability by Zucker to avoid putting himself in that position....that's crazy. There was no reason he should have expected to get hit that late after releasing the puck. Rau was in complete control of his body and made a decision to hit Zucker well late. Attempts to shift any of the responsibility away from Rau are, in my opinion as a Gopher fan, disgusting.

I would fully support an additional game suspension for Rau, with the caveat being that the WCHA starts being more consistent with handing out suspensions for this type of situation. I think other leagues (the CCHA in particular) have been much better at consistently handing out additional suspensions for reckless and dangerous hits. We haven't seen that from the WCHA. So, I don't like the idea of giving a suspension simply because of who the victim is. If this is the turning point and the WCHA gets serious about addressing these kinds of hits regardless of who is on the receiving end, then hand down a suspension.

Oh yeah, whoever alluded to the high stick as being "headhunting" lost as much credibility as those who said the Rau hit only deserved 2 minutes.

Bomber
02-11-2012, 10:34 AM
Can someone give us an update on Zucker's condition? (or post a link.) I was in the building for the Travis Roy hit. Watching Zucker not move for that long produced horrible flashbacks.

du78
02-11-2012, 10:38 AM
Can someone give us an update on Zucker's condition? (or post a link.) I was in the building for the Travis Roy hit. Watching Zucker not move for that long produced horrible flashbacks.

Here is a tweet from Jay Z as of few hours ago.


Jason Zucker @JasonZucker17
Thanks for all the wishes everybody. Feeling better as of now, will have an update for you at a later time.

Bomber
02-11-2012, 10:41 AM
Here is a tweet from Jay Z as of few hours ago.

Thanks.

SCSU Euro
02-11-2012, 10:43 AM
Luckily this thread has helped me out. "Do not give credibility to posters with an 'x' in their user name." Thanks for tipping me off.