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4four4
02-07-2012, 12:15 AM
http://northsports.areavoices.com/2012/02/04/wcha-looks-to-expand-as-league-plans-for-the-future/


Minnesota State Moorhead, Alabama-Huntsville, Wisconsin-Green Bay and Iowa State have shown interest in joining the WCHA, according to Bemidji State Athletic Director Rick Goeb.


“Some are a little bit further on in making their commitment to hockey and making it known,” he said.

Besides Alabama-Huntsville the only other school who is further along would be Minnesota State Moorhead.

Pants
02-07-2012, 12:26 AM
Hunstville NEEDS a home, and anyone who claims geography has to do with it obviously hasn't realized Air Force plays in AHA.

I do find it intersting other colleges are looking at adding hockey. It's good for the sports, especially with a "power conference" school adding it. Then, though, it may just be in time for Big 12 to start hockey and ruin the conferences again...

JDUBBS1280
02-07-2012, 12:30 AM
Hunstville NEEDS a home, and anyone who claims geography has to do with it obviously hasn't realized Air Force plays in AHA.

I do find it intersting other colleges are looking at adding hockey. It's good for the sports, especially with a "power conference" school adding it. Then, though, it may just be in time for Big 12 to start hockey and ruin the conferences again...

I hope Huntsville makes it in!! That program really needs it.

I think the Dragons will make it, they're pretty close, last I read they were more than 3/4 of the way to the 30mil needed.

4four4
02-07-2012, 12:33 AM
I hope Huntsville makes it in!! That program really needs it.

I think the Dragons will make it, they're pretty close, last I read they were more than 3/4 of the way to the 30mil needed.

The Dragons AD said he is seeing Dragon jerseys flying around the rink. We will see. It would be cool to see 6 Minnesota schools playing hockey.

4four4
02-07-2012, 12:46 AM
WI-Green Bay said they have not been in discussions with the WCHA.

Patman
02-07-2012, 12:48 AM
The Dragons AD said he is seeing Dragon jerseys flying around the rink. We will see. It would be cool to see 6 Minnesota schools playing hockey.

Pfft... Still in second :p

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There's a big difference between Air Force and UAH... it's a little easier when you have a trillion dollar bankroll.

Hatch_man
02-07-2012, 01:01 PM
I would have to think that the new "WCHA" would be interested in hearing from any DI school that wants to upstart a hockey program just to have a 2nd DI school in the conference to help secure their seat at the big boy table as far as rules and such go.

Ralph Baer
02-07-2012, 01:16 PM
Pfft... Still in second :p

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There's a big difference between Air Force and UAH... it's a little easier when you have a trillion dollar bankroll.

Assuming that you mean number of schools, wouldn't they be 4th after NY, MA, and MI?

ExileOnDaytonStreet
02-07-2012, 01:20 PM
WI-Green Bay said they have not been in discussions with the WCHA.

Truth. They are not even close to possible.

davyd83
02-07-2012, 01:32 PM
Hunstville NEEDS a home, and anyone who claims geography has to do with it obviously hasn't realized Air Force plays in AHA.

I do find it intersting other colleges are looking at adding hockey. It's good for the sports, especially with a "power conference" school adding it. Then, though, it may just be in time for Big 12 to start hockey and ruin the conferences again...

Air Force may have access to a bit more reasonably priced air travel. Anyone who thinks geography has nothing to do with hopefully doesn't have to undergo random screening at work.

Beer Pong Horn
02-07-2012, 02:02 PM
I would have to think that the new "WCHA" would be interested in hearing from any DI school that wants to upstart a hockey program just to have a 2nd DI school in the conference to help secure their seat at the big boy table as far as rules and such go.

I'm discounting UW-GB for now, since they don't appear to be interested.

If Iowa State did create a hockey program, as much as I'd want them to go to the WCHA, I'd expect them to go to the NCHC despite their upstart status. They're closer to UNO geographically than to MSU-Mankato, and closer in size to UNO, SCSU, WMU, Miami, et al than to MTU, Mankato, Ferris, Bemidji, et al. ISU also has more name recognition than most of the WCHA schools, more comparable to NCHC schools.

So, let's hope the WCHA is beating the bushes at the UW satellite schools, NDSU and SDSU, and any other D-I/II schools in the Upper Midwest.

MavsFan
02-07-2012, 02:08 PM
I'm discounting UW-GB for now, since they don't appear to be interested.

If Iowa State did create a hockey program, as much as I'd want them to go to the WCHA, I'd expect them to go to the NCHC despite their upstart status. They're closer to UNO geographically than to MSU-Mankato, and closer in size to UNO, SCSU, WMU, Miami, et al than to MTU, Mankato, Ferris, Bemidji, et al. ISU also has more name recognition than most of the WCHA schools, more comparable to NCHC schools.If you're talking about student enrollment, Mankato and St. Cloud are just about identical in size.

beaverhockeyfan
02-07-2012, 02:10 PM
Hunstville NEEDS a home, and anyone who claims geography has to do with it obviously hasn't realized Air Force plays in AHA.

I do find it intersting other colleges are looking at adding hockey. It's good for the sports, especially with a "power conference" school adding it. Then, though, it may just be in time for Big 12 to start hockey and ruin the conferences again...

I am a Beaver Fan and would love to see Huntsville in the new WCHA to continue the rivalry. BUT........

You need to remember these schools in the new WCHA are there because they were not considered "like minded" enough for the NCHC schools. Most people have come to the conclusion that "like minded" means $$$$$ in the budgets. With the new WCHA having both Alaska schools in the league, can the team afford a trip to Huntsville as well? There have been rumbling that there will be years that teams will play both Alaska schools in Alaska, which may mean two trips unless logistics/academic requirements can be worked out where teams will be able to spend up to 10 days in Alaska and away from school. Will the Alaska schools continue their travel subsidies? Will Huntsville pony up funds to help cover travel costs? I think those are the sticking points for UAH to be admitted into the new WCHA.

I think Moorhead State (yes, and I still call it Mankato State :p) is the team that the new WCHA is wanting. It would get them into the Fargo-Moorhead media market, which is fairly large compared to the media market of other schools.

Would Iowa State want to compete in the new WCHA, or would they be "like minded" enough for the NCHC as a home? A school from a power conference in other sports doesn't necessarily fit the mold of a new WCHA school? They would be another nice get for the new WCHA as it would get them into the Ames/Des Moines media market.

bunt_q
02-07-2012, 02:15 PM
I wouldn't mind adding Iowa State to the NCHC - it fits geographically, and they're a big school. I was happy to be rid of them in football when Colorado moved to the PAC, but for hockey, it'd be good.

But...we'd need another. Even numbers of teams are good. I'd love to coax Air Force over. Alabama... hmm... it's "national" for sure, but not "like minded" by any stretch.

beaverhockeyfan
02-07-2012, 02:22 PM
Even numbers are nice, but not necessary. If you have a lazy league schedule maker, than an odd number of teams isn't their dream job.

I have seen a very prelim BSU schedule for next year. Right now, depending on what the NCAA allows for the opening weekend, they have five open weekends with one non-conference series left to schedule, so net four open weekends. Since every team in your league has basically the same amount of open weekends and the same amount of non-conference games, an odd numbered league can work. You just have to get a little creative with the amount of teams in league play (an even number) and the amount of teams in non-conference play or on byes (an odd number).

Beer Pong Horn
02-07-2012, 02:23 PM
If you're talking about student enrollment, Mankato and St. Cloud are just about identical in size.

Fair enough - SCSU appears to just edge MSUM in terms of students served (21k vs. 18k, not sure how many of those are on campus).


I wouldn't mind adding Iowa State to the NCHC - it fits geographically, and they're a big school. I was happy to be rid of them in football when Colorado moved to the PAC, but for hockey, it'd be good.

But...we'd need another. Even numbers of teams are good. I'd love to coax Air Force over. Alabama... hmm... it's "national" for sure, but not "like minded" by any stretch.

I'm still not sure what "like-minded" even means. But, MavsFan has a point that Mankato is broadly equivalent to SCSU, excepting its NCAA division and recent hockey success. You could feasibly recruit them to the NCHC.

On the other hand, I hope that rather than let itself contract further, the WCHA is keeping up a dialogue with the SCSU, WMU, and UMD ADs.

MavsFan
02-07-2012, 02:31 PM
Fair enough - SCSU appears to just edge MSUM in terms of students served (21k vs. 18k, not sure how many of those are on campus).
Yeah, the most recent numbers I saw said SCSU had more individual students, but Mankato had more credit-hour production, meaning more full-time students.

bunt_q
02-07-2012, 02:36 PM
Fair enough - SCSU appears to just edge MSUM in terms of students served (21k vs. 18k, not sure how many of those are on campus).

But, MavsFan has a point that Mankato is broadly equivalent to SCSU, excepting its NCAA division and recent hockey success.

I don't think the difference between Mankato and St. Cloud has anything to do with the schools themselves, or even really hockey. It has to do with Mankato being part of a metropolitan area of ~97,000, versus St. Cloud being a metropolitan area of ~168,000 and part of the larger Minneapolis-St. Paul CSA. Basically, it's as close as a non-rodent school can be to the Twin Cities.

ExileOnDaytonStreet
02-07-2012, 02:41 PM
Seriously, though, does Goeb have to go on with his claims? I guess the MSU and UAH ones are a given. But UWGB is total bull**** and this would be the first anyone has heard of Iowa Stte, right?

Bale
02-07-2012, 02:45 PM
Yeah, the most recent numbers I saw said SCSU had more individual students, but Mankato had more credit-hour production, meaning more full-time students.

Yeah, MSU just took the lead this semester in the number of students according to MnSCU's official numbers. Not that 200 students really is that big of a differnce.