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Beman
01-18-2012, 12:21 AM
I am cautiously optimistic about Union's chances this weekend. Obviously they were embarrassed by Yale and Brown in Schenectady and played probably their worst games of the season back to back. Still both of these teams are perennial trouble makers for Union. Yale might be feeling the pressure themselves, at least Allain seems to be having gone postal in the Clarkson game. Anyway, it's a tough road weekend and I would be minimally satisfied with taking home two points. Less than that would be a huge disappointment, more would be gravy.
they beat these teams by at least 2 goals or they ain't #14 inthe country

Red Cloud
01-18-2012, 07:21 AM
Aww. You lost your sense of humor. :(


You have a gift for never actually demonstrating how people you disagree with are wrong.

This indicates to me that you don't read my words very frequently, or particularly well.


I'm starting to think (well, not starting; I've thought this for quite some time) that you really have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about, but dislike certain happenings on principle, and attempt to berate those you disagree with by making snarky comments and insinuating that they are imbeciles, when, in fact, you have no evidence or logic behind your own assertions whatsoever.

No, I'm not insinuating anything... unless you weren't trying to be funny? Then I apologize and make no insinuation about it, I'll come out and say it instead.


Now tell me: what exactly is it that I posted that you find fault in? I don't want you to post some inane criticism of anything regarding me or your alleged guffawing, I want to hear real reasons as to why you disagree with me. I'd love to have a discussion about your opinions, if you do indeed have any.

Easy. Brown on the rise? Look at the records. They're only improving inasmuch as they aren't a total bottom-feeder anymore (and this is coming from someone who knows what bottom-feeding looks like right about now). They're just near-bottom feeders instead Congratulations on your two weekends of glory two years ago, but that's really all Brown has had team-wise since the days of Yann Danis. There have been some individually notable players, but the team results just aren't there. It's crystal clear. When was the last time Brown was in the discussion for a first-round bye, or a national tournament berth? Yup. There it is right here. And they still aren't.

You want credit for beating Cornell and Union, and then try to blow off losses to AIC and RPI. The very definition of confirmation bias.

Oh, I'm sorry. Was that me knowing what I'm talking about, using evidence or logic behind my assertion? So sorry.

burgie12
01-18-2012, 09:49 AM
they beat these teams by at least 2 goals or they ain't #14 inthe country
Well, it's a good thing they're #12.

FlagDUDE08
01-18-2012, 09:59 AM
Well, it's a good thing they're #12.

Wait, poles matter?

FreshFish
01-18-2012, 10:13 AM
Wait, poles matter?

they do for people living in Poland! and also for telephone wires, electrical wires, cable wires, etc.

For many hockey fans, polls matter, as they do to many political junkies as well.

Mike Hutter
01-18-2012, 10:23 AM
I'd take MacLellan in a heartbeat, but Farnham is too much in the Harry Z mold for my tastes :p.. Overall I really like what Whittet is doing at Brown and think they are on a definite upward track. He's brought a lot more players with speed and stick skills in the last couple recruiting classes, to go along with the hard nosed types from earlier classes. And the recruiting class he has coming next season looks like his best yet. IMO they are a team trying to forge an identity and figure out how to bring intensity for a full 60 minutes.

Union will definitely have their hands full both nights and I think the coaches & players know it. Goaltending could be very key in Union's games. Malcolm and Clemente were outstanding in Schenectady but have been rather ordinary at other times this season. As for Union, Grosenick had his worst game of the season against Yale and will have to be much better this weekend for U get some points.

I think you nailed it about Union v. Brown turning on goaltending. Brown's physical play and intensity (If present) can even out U's outstanding skaters. BTW, it appears that a "Harry Z" tag will be given to players who play in his mold which I would decribe as intense and many times out of control. Whether you like him or not, he will be remembered for a long time.

FlagDUDE08
01-18-2012, 11:13 AM
I think you nailed it about Union v. Brown turning on goaltending. Brown's physical play and intensity (If present) can even out U's outstanding skaters. BTW, it appears that a "Harry Z" tag will be given to players who play in his mold which I would decribe as intense and many times out of control. Whether you like him or not, he will be remembered for a long time.

The only way he'll be remembered by some of us is a piece of paper held up towards the penalty box.

kdiff77
01-18-2012, 12:31 PM
Easy. Brown on the rise? Look at the records. They're only improving inasmuch as they aren't a total bottom-feeder anymore (and this is coming from someone who knows what bottom-feeding looks like right about now). They're just near-bottom feeders instead Congratulations on your two weekends of glory two years ago, but that's really all Brown has had team-wise since the days of Yann Danis. There have been some individually notable players, but the team results just aren't there. It's crystal clear. When was the last time Brown was in the discussion for a first-round bye, or a national tournament berth? Yup. There it is right here. And they still aren't.

You want credit for beating Cornell and Union, and then try to blow off losses to AIC and RPI. The very definition of confirmation bias.

Oh, I'm sorry. Was that me knowing what I'm talking about, using evidence or logic behind my assertion? So sorry.

Don't apologize, that's exactly what I wanted to hear. Thank you for actually showing some evidence and logic for once.

Your point that the results aren't consistently there yet is 100% valid. However, that wasn't my argument. I didn't, and don't, think that we'd get a bye this year and thoroughly demolish everyone in the nation. I did, however, know that this team was capable of much more than last place, which is where almost literally everyone picked them to finish, and they have proven that time and again. Yes, we had some terrible, TERRIBLE losses in the early part of the season. But we're 4-1-2 since the first Yale game, against Yale, UNH, PC, Princeton, QU, Clarkson, and SLU. That's not a bad bunch, with the exception of SLU. And you wouldn't even know it was the same team as two months ago. They don't even remotely resemble each other. Those teams sauntered around the ice, throwing pucks on net from the blue line and not back checking. This team dictates the flow of the game, and spends an incredible amount of time in the opponents zone just cycling the puck and creating opportunities.

It is completely accurate to say that we shouldn't be in discussion for a first round bye. Until this team consistently puts results together (even recently, they've been flaky- 1 point at home vs. P and QU, then 3 points in the North Country, historically a hell-hole for us), we cannot be considered one of the better teams in the league. But, it would be mindless to not recognize the improvements this team has made over the Whittet tenure. Under Grillo, these guys maybe had hopes of finishing 10th. Under Whittet, they believe, whether they are correct or not in this belief, that they can beat anyone in the country on any given night. And they've done that, with quite a few upsets over the past three seasons.

As for it showing in the standings- just keep an eye on us for the rest of the year. I have a feeling they're starting to put it together, and will at least get home ice this year. If we don't, you're right- we're still just "near-bottom feeders." For now.

KFBS
01-18-2012, 12:32 PM
Aww. You lost your sense of humor. :(



This indicates to me that you don't read my words very frequently, or particularly well.



No, I'm not insinuating anything... unless you weren't trying to be funny? Then I apologize and make no insinuation about it, I'll come out and say it instead.



Easy. Brown on the rise? Look at the records. They're only improving inasmuch as they aren't a total bottom-feeder anymore (and this is coming from someone who knows what bottom-feeding looks like right about now). They're just near-bottom feeders instead Congratulations on your two weekends of glory two years ago, but that's really all Brown has had team-wise since the days of Yann Danis. There have been some individually notable players, but the team results just aren't there. It's crystal clear. When was the last time Brown was in the discussion for a first-round bye, or a national tournament berth? Yup. There it is right here. And they still aren't.

You want credit for beating Cornell and Union, and then try to blow off losses to AIC and RPI. The very definition of confirmation bias.

Oh, I'm sorry. Was that me knowing what I'm talking about, using evidence or logic behind my assertion? So sorry.


This post was disappointing. You didn't use the word "Butthurt" once. That was your trademark 2 years ago. Can you go retro for me? I'd totally dig it.

Red Cloud
01-18-2012, 12:36 PM
This post was disappointing. You didn't use the word "Butthurt" once. That was your trademark 2 years ago. Can you go retro for me? I'd totally dig it.

This is really creepy.

Red Cloud
01-18-2012, 12:37 PM
Don't apologize, that's exactly what I wanted to hear. Thank you for actually showing some evidence and logic for once.

I was going to read the rest of what you wrote, but I don't need to put up with this crap. Try again if you want a real conversation.

KFBS
01-18-2012, 12:38 PM
This is really creepy.

What can I say, your confrontational nature left quite the impression.

Red Cloud
01-18-2012, 12:39 PM
What can I say, your confrontational nature left quite the impression.

Wow, another internet hero. :rolleyes:

Keep repeating that, maybe it'll come true.

REDaero91
01-18-2012, 05:49 PM
BTW, it appears that a "Harry Z" tag will be given to players who play in his mold which I would decribe as intense and many times out of control. Whether you like him or not, he will be remembered for a long time.

It'll help that he's playing in the NHL fresh out of college. Blew my mind a little to watch him skate out on the ice for the Winter Classic, after seeing him sitting in our penalty box at the HFH less than a year ago!

DrDemento
01-18-2012, 06:59 PM
It'll help that he's playing in the NHL fresh out of college. Blew my mind a little to watch him skate out on the ice for the Winter Classic, after seeing him sitting in our penalty box at the HFH less than a year ago!

We were at one Philly home game so far this year-much as I hated to say it-Harry Z looked very good on the ice and seemed to fit in extremely well for a rookie.

Red Cloud
01-18-2012, 07:05 PM
We were at one Philly home game so far this year-much as I hated to say it-Harry Z looked very good on the ice and seemed to fit in extremely well for a rookie.

Kind of knew he was bound for the show. Every team needs that annoying asshat and he did it better than most the league has ever seen. And he signed with the right team, too. :D

BrunoFan00
01-18-2012, 07:26 PM
Kind of knew he was bound for the show. Every team needs that annoying asshat and he did it better than most the league has ever seen. And he signed with the right team, too. :D

I don't know that Harry has been the antagonist in the pros that he was last year for Bruno. He has 28 penalty minutes through 31 games played (and is a -11). That said, he has looked decent, certainly that he belongs skating in the NHL. One would have to argue that his staying four years and developing under Brendan Whittet (not that he was ever a risk for leaving early) is a major contributor. Honestly, there aren't many folks who would have thought him to be an NHL regular after two years as a Bear. He reminds a bit of a Tanner Glass - a guy that was consistent in college, though not a 20-goal guy, who evolves into a steady NHL presence.

To get back to this weekend, and having not seen either team: what has been RPI's major issue with scoring this year? Has it been poor shot selection, overall poor play, or just a regular streak of unluckiness? Brown had a stretch in 2006 when they were struggling to score against just about everybody, and the playoffs weren't any different. One solace RPI fans can take is that if this rate keeps up, the #12 seeds have been solid if not spectacular in the playoffs the past couple of years.

As for Union, I would have said that was a game the Bears could have afforded to tie or lose - but then a 1-point weekend against Princeton and Quinnipiac at home rolled along. Thus, if Brown wants any chance of playing a home series in March, they need at least two, if not three, this time around.

kdiff77
01-18-2012, 07:27 PM
I was going to read the rest of what you wrote, but I don't need to put up with this crap. Try again if you want a real conversation.

You're kidding, right? That was the first time I've ever seen you even attempt rational conversation on this board. But whatever, suit yourself. Keep up the belittling of everyone else, it's so refreshing.

Red Cloud
01-18-2012, 08:53 PM
You're kidding, right? That was the first time I've ever seen you even attempt rational conversation on this board.

Well, you obviously don't look very hard, then. Or you see what you want to see.

I have rational conversations with those who show interest in having rational conversations by showing rational thought.

REDaero91
01-18-2012, 10:03 PM
To get back to this weekend, and having not seen either team: what has been RPI's major issue with scoring this year? Has it been poor shot selection, overall poor play, or just a regular streak of unluckiness? Brown had a stretch in 2006 when they were struggling to score against just about everybody, and the playoffs weren't any different. One solace RPI fans can take is that if this rate keeps up, the #12 seeds have been solid if not spectacular in the playoffs the past couple of years.

We started the season with an unlucky streak-couldn't buy a goal, and it seemed none of the bounces went our way. It didn't help that several of our scorers were injured and missed quite a few games. Once we got guys back, they began to click and the scoring started to pick up, but then the defense became shaky. We haven't had a lot of chemistry develop this year, and while we look good on paper, all the talent in the world doesn't help if you have five individuals skating around out there, not playing as a team. We seem to be having communication issues on the ice.