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state of hockey
02-05-2012, 07:58 PM
So Minnesota shouldn't be able to host at the Xcel because Joe Louis Arena has a stick up its butt?

Scarlet
02-05-2012, 11:22 PM
I think campus sites should be allowed because those arenas are more conducive to good crowds and playoff hockey. I just don't think the "host" should play there. Do away with the host automatically gets in to that regional.

Hammer
02-05-2012, 11:26 PM
Here's the problem: you can have a team like Wisconsin hosting a regional, with them getting shipped elsewhere, and the regional actually in Wisconsin drawing about 1800 for the weekend. And now we're right back to where we started.

Scarlet
02-05-2012, 11:29 PM
Here's the problem: you can have a team like Wisconsin hosting a regional, with them getting shipped elsewhere, and the regional actually in Wisconsin drawing about 1800 for the weekend. And now we're right back to where we started.

Well, if fans won't travel to see their teams in other regionals, why not go to a game in your back yard? The locations where there is perilously low attendance are in areas nowhere near college hockey fanbases.

Biddco
02-05-2012, 11:30 PM
Forgot about that. For some reason I thought I remembered the 2009 regional being at the X. Good question. I'd be surprised if either hosts one again. If they do, you have a valid point of contention.
How could anyone forget the "Miracle at Mariucci"? I'll never forget that game

IrishHockeyFan
02-05-2012, 11:47 PM
Well, if fans won't travel to see their teams in other regionals, why not go to a game in your back yard? The locations where there is perilously low attendance are in areas nowhere near college hockey fanbases.

You're kidding right? Half the fans don't even bother to stay for the other game at a regional during the first day, either arriving only in time for their game, or leaving at its conclusion. People don't care about watching a team they don't root for even if they have traveled some distance to get to a regional and of course have already paid for both games.

The Rube
02-05-2012, 11:49 PM
You're kidding right? Half the fans don't even bother to stay for the other game at a regional during the first day, either arriving only in time for their game, or leaving at its conclusion. People don't care about watching a team they don't root for even if they have traveled some distance to get to a regional and of course have already paid for both games.

And even then...

Wol4ine
02-05-2012, 11:50 PM
So how do you think schools like Union feel about it? Would they rather play Minnesota in front of 10,000 Gopher fans for their most important game of the year? or play them on neutral ice? Schools like Union, AFA, or RIT rarely play in front of 2,000 anyway, so a dismal regional crowd of 4,000 is only dismal in our eyes. That's not to demean the AHA, because FSU, NMU, and even Miami have crowds less than 4,000. I'd rather have 4,000 hockey fans in a neutral ice arena that holds 10K than subject a school to play another school on its home ice. That being said, I don't know where you could play a game in Minnesota without giving the Gophers the edge in fan support. The Xcel is the best arena and as neutral as you are going to get anyway without denying Minnesota the regional altogether. Why would you do that?

Numbers
02-06-2012, 12:08 AM
And back to the PWR:
I am using John Whelan's site. http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?krach

I think I did that right. Anyway, you can input future results there and see the effect they have on PWR, RPI, KRACH...

So, I tried all the results from Monday night's upcoming games, except shootouts, and in all cases, I found Northern Michigan falling out of the field.

What is happening???

Priceless
02-06-2012, 12:16 AM
Well, if fans won't travel to see their teams in other regionals, why not go to a game in your back yard? The locations where there is perilously low attendance are in areas nowhere near college hockey fanbases.

Money?

We have this discussion every year. If I'm a casual hockey fan do I want to spend $80 a ticket for two days to watch college teams to which I have zero attachment and will never see again, or 8 $10 tickets to watch an AHL team that is going to be here for a while. If I'm a parent that's eight games of entertainment vs three, five more chances to spend quality time with my kid. That's a no brainer for most people.

Priceless
02-06-2012, 12:20 AM
And back to the PWR:
I am using John Whelan's site. http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?krach

I think I did that right. Anyway, you can input future results there and see the effect they have on PWR, RPI, KRACH...

So, I tried all the results from Monday night's upcoming games, except shootouts, and in all cases, I found Northern Michigan falling out of the field.

What is happening???
Be careful with that site. It doesn't pick up the first three games of the season.

Paste in
20111001 LS 1 AH 0 NC
20111002 LS 1 AH 0 NC
20111004 Ni 0 Mi 1 NC

joecct
02-06-2012, 12:21 AM
Isn't there talk about returning to Campus for a 2 out of 3 round of 16, then a one night super-regional in the East and West before going to the FF?

BCeagle
02-06-2012, 12:22 AM
Someone else should have put a bid on that regional. I know that was the case in 2003, where Michigan had the only bid for that regional.

Our AD will never host for hockey, and it's *** shame. I can't wait for GDF to leave as the football is imploding with his hiring of Spaz as the coach. I will never set foot in Alumni as long as he is the AD.

Wol4ine
02-06-2012, 12:32 AM
And back to the PWR:
I am using John Whelan's site. http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?krach

soiuxsports.com usually has a good 'what if' calculator. But I don't think it's up until the playoffs.

NMU8405
02-06-2012, 08:34 AM
soiuxsports.com usually has a good 'what if' calculator. But I don't think it's up until the playoffs.

The What-If is up for the regular season, but they haven't added a CCHA section since they went to the 3 point system. So its kind of useless.

mookie1995
02-06-2012, 09:30 AM
Money?

We have this discussion every year. If I'm a casual hockey fan ......

This is like saying "I am a casual lacross fan". Or "casual women's soccer fan". Or "every once in a while I leave my wife and go get butt sex from a guy".

Few and far between in the general population.

WE like the sport. But WE are small. WE are even smaller as fans of college teams participating in the sport.

Which is fine.

But it breeds situations and issues like this.

We deal with it. Whatever.

But to think we could have full house neutral sites for regionals like basketball is silly. Even in "hockey cities".

That being said, it is still preferable to having a host school play a regional in their own bldg banged out with their own fans.

I've no perfect solution. Nobody else seems to either.

davyd83
02-06-2012, 09:50 AM
The What-If is up for the regular season, but they haven't added a CCHA section since they went to the 3 point system. So its kind of useless.

The shootouts mean nothing to the NCAA standings and PairWise Rankings. In the big picture, they are irrelevent.

Numbers
02-06-2012, 10:39 AM
Thanks. I tried that, but it seems to be for the purpose of seeing conference results. We of course are more interested in PWR here. Did I miss a page there on siouxsports?

Bakunin
02-06-2012, 11:00 AM
I've no perfect solution. Nobody else seems to either.
Well, if you want the first two rounds to take two weekends instead of one, you have teams 1-8 host best-of-threes on their home rinks with the winners advancing to a couple of single-elimination regionals. The downside of this is it would eliminate that off weekend between regionals and the Frozen Four. However, the atmosphere would certainly be better - at least for the first round (whether or not we want to reward teams with home ice using the flawed pairwise is another matter entirely).

MCgrad07
02-06-2012, 12:12 PM
Personally I like the tournament as single eliminaton at "neutral sites". When looking at regionals since the tournament went to its current format it seems like Worcester and Manchester should rotate hosting the Northeast, Albany and Bridgeport the East, Grand Rapids and Green Bay the Midwest and St. Paul and somewhere else there was no one clear. I would keep those as the regional sites and dump the "host school tags" a one seed should not get punished because a conference school is an at large 4 seed and a host i.e. BC last year going to St Louis and UNH staying at home despite being the 13 seed overall