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Harry Cleverly
01-01-2012, 11:24 AM
Does anyone associated with BU media ever plan on asking Parker about Charlie Coyle?

Very good interview with Parker, who is quite frank about the move without throwing Coyle personally under-the-bus:

http://www.thebostonhockeyblog.com/2011/12/parker-coyles-move-to-qmjhl-less-than.html

Harry Cleverly
01-01-2012, 11:33 AM
If you take a look at the story in the freep blog, it says down low in the article that the RA's story about opening the door being a BU policy is total hogwash, there is no such policy that an RA has to open their door every time someone knocks, especially if they fear for their safety. So how one can "break and enter" when they knock on a door and the person willingly opens the door is a bit of a stretch to figure out. I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of charges are dismissed, he pleads to some minor misdemeanor charge, does some community service, and everyone moves on.


That was a very unusual article, with a lot of innuendo without attribution.

Basically, it says that a lot of the hockey players in the dorm are out-of-control. A bit beyond boys-being-boys. But no one was willing to be named, which is not unexpected. Too much testosterone, perhaps mixed with some alcohol and a sense of entitlement creating a less than desirable situation.
Would you want your daughter living on that floor?

I'm sure it is very similar in athletic dorms/floors across the country.
Parker needs to sit them down in the Agganis theatre and spell out what is, and is not, acceptable behavior.
Sure, college is supposed to a fun time in your life. But not if it is at someone else's expense.

J.D.
01-01-2012, 11:36 AM
Very good interview with Parker, who is quite frank about the move without throwing Coyle personally under-the-bus:

http://www.thebostonhockeyblog.com/2011/12/parker-coyles-move-to-qmjhl-less-than.html

Found it earlier, thanks. He did take some subtle (or not so subtle depending on your point of view) shots at Coyle IMO. Can't say I blame him though.

Jacques Joubert
01-01-2012, 02:41 PM
Tough one to watch indeed. I for one was commenting to (my dog) that we take far too many penalties. Until/unless we suddenly find guys who gain a scoring touch we will have to win games with great defense and goaltending.

As for the broadcast, the PBP guy commented on Kevin Gilroy being the brother of Matt Gilroy who "plays for the Rangers." I liked Eddie O's color commentary and pointing out that some ND goals were the result of second chances where the forwards and D did not step up to clear.

Let's see how we do this weekend when hopefully we will get back into a rythym.

Nice rink and the balcony was something BU wanted for Agganis as if to replicate the Boston Arena where there are some great spots to watch a game

Agreed that the D-Men back off way too much since Quinn left the staff. I'd swear they'd back right into the net if the other team's forwards didn't shoot when they did. Did you see how annoyed Millan was with Ruikka on one of ND's goals? He would have been more effective if he just got out of the way. Totally screened Millan.

KnightsOfTheRound
01-01-2012, 03:07 PM
Agreed that the D-Men back off way too much since Quinn left the staff. I'd swear they'd back right into the net if the other team's forwards didn't shoot when they did. Did you see how annoyed Millan was with Ruikka on one of ND's goals? He would have been more effective if he just got out of the way. Totally screened Millan.

That's what I was thinking. I don't think Millan saw the puck because Ruikka was screening him

collegefan06
01-01-2012, 03:39 PM
Very good interview with Parker, who is quite frank about the move without throwing Coyle personally under-the-bus:

http://www.thebostonhockeyblog.com/2011/12/parker-coyles-move-to-qmjhl-less-than.html

It's interesting when a player decides to leave a team versus when Parker decides to kick one off...by the way, why was Vic Sapponari kicked off?

Coyle's grades were a real problem for him and that is the primary issue...how it gets to that with a top player is a reflection of how Parker runs his organization.

I find Parker's reaction vintage Jack. My prediction is that they miss Coyle (not to mention Trivino) a tremendous amount....yea, I'm really going out on a limb!

This team's organizational structure is apalling.

abro2007
01-01-2012, 11:11 PM
For you BU fans...here is a player profile on one of your recruits Marc Hetnik

http://youtu.be/AsgbLBU5A14
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Jacques Joubert
01-02-2012, 06:10 AM
For you BU fans...here is a player profile on one of your recruits Marc Hetnik

http://youtu.be/AsgbLBU5A14
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Thanks. Interesting to learn that his father played at BU, was really good in terms of production, stayed 4 years, won a title, and was also coached by Parker.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=15124

Hopefullly this kid knows EXACTLY what he signed up for.

ericredaxe
01-02-2012, 12:12 PM
Hopefullly this kid knows EXACTLY what he signed up for.

It said he went to school with Noonan... so one would assume they are in touch, or that he at least spoke with Noonan about what it was like playing at BU.


Coyle's grades were a real problem for him and that is the primary issue...how it gets to that with a top player is a reflection of how Parker runs his organization.

What are you basing that on? I was a student athlete at BU and the ammount of support available from the university to help the student athletes succeed accademically is pretty impressive, and my understanding is that it has gotten even better since I was there. I also believe I read somewhere that in high school Coyle was given some award for the combination of academic and athletic acheivement (not sure if this is true). That would indicate that Coyle had the ability to do well in class, but chose not to and chose to not take advantage of any of the academic support available. Are you suggesting that Parker discourages the players from doing well in school?

srsterrier
01-02-2012, 12:51 PM
What are you basing that on? I was a student athlete at BU and the ammount of support available from the university to help the student athletes succeed accademically is pretty impressive, and my understanding is that it has gotten even better since I was there. I also believe I read somewhere that in high school Coyle was given some award for the combination of academic and athletic acheivement (not sure if this is true). That would indicate that Coyle had the ability to do well in class, but chose not to and chose to not take advantage of any of the academic support available. Are you suggesting that Parker discourages the players from doing well in school?
I completely agree. Assuming that the rumors are accurate and Coyle was facing the prospect of being academically ineligible, this speaks to discipline in the program and not the lack of it. Instead of sweeping the academic issues of a top player under the rug, it sounds like BU was going to suspend him. At the end of the day, it is up to every student to go to class and earn passing grades. If Coyle didn't do that, that's on him. Parker deserves criticism about any number of issues, but this isn't one of them.

Harry Cleverly
01-02-2012, 01:46 PM
Thanks. Interesting to learn that his father played at BU, was really good in terms of production, stayed 4 years, won a title, and was also coached by Parker.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=15124

Hopefullly this kid knows EXACTLY what he signed up for.

Marc Hetnik Sr. was a terrific player for BU. He wasn't a superstar like a Ricky Meagher or Mike Eruzione, but he was a very good defensive forward who could also score. A really solid, two-way player.
He works for BU and goes to a lot of the games. His wife works at BC. So he could have gone to either school and not taken up a hockey scholarship as the child of an employee. That makes him a huge addition.

Given his background, why would you suggest that he might not know "what he signed up for"?
If any kid does, it would be him.

I understand that he is a quality player and a quality kid, and if he is anywhere near the player that his father was, he'll be a terrific addition.

Jacques Joubert
01-02-2012, 02:15 PM
I was suggesting, as you say, that if any recruit knew what to expect, it would be him.

We agree 100%



Marc Hetnik Sr. was a terrific player for BU. He wasn't a superstar like a Ricky Meagher or Mike Eruzione, but he was a very good defensive forward who could also score. A really solid, two-way player.
He works for BU and goes to a lot of the games. His wife works at BC. So he could have gone to either school and not taken up a hockey scholarship as the child of an employee. That makes him a huge addition.

Given his background, why would you suggest that he might not know "what he signed up for"?
If any kid does, it would be him.

I understand that he is a quality player and a quality kid, and if he is anywhere near the player that his father was, he'll be a terrific addition.

Federal League
01-02-2012, 03:10 PM
What are you basing that on? I was a student athlete at BU and the ammount of support available from the university to help the student athletes succeed accademically is pretty impressive, and my understanding is that it has gotten even better since I was there. I also believe I read somewhere that in high school Coyle was given some award for the combination of academic and athletic acheivement (not sure if this is true). That would indicate that Coyle had the ability to do well in class, but chose not to and chose to not take advantage of any of the academic support available. Are you suggesting that Parker discourages the players from doing well in school?

This is correct- both about the amount of support and about Coyle winning that award in HS. Based on conversations I've had with student-athletes, pretty much any student-athlete who wants to pass his or her classes can. The only way they end up failing is if they simply don't try- whether that's by not going to class, not taking advantage of tutoring or not doing the work. That's on the student-athlete, not the coach or the program. They're not little kids. They shouldn't have to be woken up in the morning and have their hand held on the walk to class.

mookie1995
01-02-2012, 04:37 PM
Charlie was in cgs. (just adding).

Rogie21
01-02-2012, 04:48 PM
It's interesting when a player decides to leave a team versus when Parker decides to kick one off...by the way, why was Vic Sapponari kicked off?

What’s your point? That Parker elaborated on Coyle’s departure but not Saponari’s? It’s nothing new. He commented publicly when Mike Grier departed—at Jack’s suggestion—as well as when Mike Pomichter left early—a move he didn’t agree with. When players are asked to leave the program (Bartlett, Walsh, Bennett), he doesn’t expound on the details. He didn’t and won’t go public with the exact infractions that sealed Vinny’s fate--and it wasn’t Puckstar or not showing up on time. Trivino, obviously was an exceptional circumstance.


This team's organizational structure is apalling.

Typical cfo6 claim with no substance to support it, just a transparent agenda. Like your recent implication that Parker doesn’t “care about any of his players beyond what they can do for him on the ice,” which has to be the most willfully ignorant--and easily disproved--post made here in recent memory by anyone who’s not a fan of the team up the block.

Jacques Joubert
01-02-2012, 05:19 PM
Just re-watching the "highlights" from the ND game on your Blog. Ruikka really got eaten alive out there.

collegefan06
01-02-2012, 06:12 PM
What are you basing that on? I was a student athlete at BU and the ammount of support available from the university to help the student athletes succeed accademically is pretty impressive, and my understanding is that it has gotten even better since I was there. I also believe I read somewhere that in high school Coyle was given some award for the combination of academic and athletic acheivement (not sure if this is true). That would indicate that Coyle had the ability to do well in class, but chose not to and chose to not take advantage of any of the academic support available. Are you suggesting that Parker discourages the players from doing well in school?

I am basing my comment on what you just elaborated on....the significant resources and support that is in place to assist the student athlete at BU. Where did you get that I'm suggesting Parker discourages players from doing well? That is silly.

I am saying that as the CEO he can do much to stay on top of players academics. When I competed my coaches knew how each of us was doinig in every class. They knew if we missed a class and they didn't let things get to the point where a smart kid, which I take Coyle to be, is in a position of flunking out. If Coyle was pushed to get help and just blew it off that's a different matter and for it to suddenly arise now should not happen....at least Parker should have been well aware of his circumtances before this semester even started.

There is a difference between shutting down academically because he's made the decision to leave (I think that was the case) and not being able to meet the academic demands. If he shut down because he'd decided BU wasn't gving him what he believes he needs to further his hockey career it was a bi-product of him leaving BU either way.


This is correct- both about the amount of support and about Coyle winning that award in HS. Based on conversations I've had with student-athletes, pretty much any student-athlete who wants to pass his or her classes can. The only way they end up failing is if they simply don't try- whether that's by not going to class, not taking advantage of tutoring or not doing the work. That's on the student-athlete, not the coach or the program. They're not little kids. They shouldn't have to be woken up in the morning and have their hand held on the walk to class.

That is correct....so if he consciously blew off school because he didn't want to be there it goes back to reasons more fundemental then his academic record.....If that is the case, Coyle had decided BU didn't meet his hockey needs going forward and has as much right to quit a program not meeting his needs as Parker does to kick a kid off that isn't meeting his needs or arbitrary standards. Parker kicked Vic Sapponari off the team for what? Vic was a very good student and did nothing I'm aware of other then being Vinnie's brother to be removed. If Parker makes that decision it's his right but it creates the culture that permeates this program now...and everyone here knows what that is because we've been writing about it for the last month.


What’s your point? That Parker elaborated on Coyle’s departure but not Saponari’s? It’s nothing new. He commented publicly when Mike Grier departed—at Jack’s suggestion—as well as when Mike Pomichter left early—a move he didn’t agree with. When players are asked to leave the program (Bartlett, Walsh, Bennett), he doesn’t expound on the details. He didn’t and won’t go public with the exact infractions that sealed Vinny’s fate--and it wasn’t Puckstar or not showing up on time. Trivino, obviously was an exceptional circumstance.

Rogie your nose is so far up the BU of the 90's A** that you don't see this program for what it is today in the eyes of the players....going to your point below give me one example or name of a player these last 5-7 years that Parker has maintained a positive relationship with besides possibly the bulldog.

Typical cfo6 claim with no substance to support it, just a transparent agenda. Like your recent implication that Parker doesn’t “care about any of his players beyond what they can do for him on the ice,” which has to be the most willfully ignorant--and easily disproved--post made here in recent memory by anyone who’s not a fan of the team up the block.

I make my comments in a thoughtful manner and there are levels of shared detail, which you adhere to as well, as a program insider, that you aren't going to share on a message board. Hokeydad and others routinely don't post details that could embarrass a player or other individual and there are many things that can be discussed in broad generalities here that specific details aren't appropriate. That said, I'd love to hear who you think continues to have a positive relationship with Parker that has played for him in the last 7 classes. Some may have a neutral attitude but I cannot think of one besides Joe P that I'd characterize wanting to have an ongoing relationship with the coach.

Scarlet
01-02-2012, 06:47 PM
There is a difference between shutting down academically because he's made the decision to leave (I think that was the case) and not being able to meet the academic demands. If he shut down because he'd decided BU wasn't gving him what he believes he needs to further his hockey career it was a bi-product of him leaving BU either way.


That is correct....so if he consciously blew off school because he didn't want to be there it goes back to reasons more fundemental then his academic record.....If that is the case, Coyle had decided BU didn't meet his hockey needs going forward and has as much right to quit a program not meeting his needs as Parker does to kick a kid off that isn't meeting his needs or arbitrary standards.

While I get what you're saying, what really frosts my cookies is that he was there to go to school and play hockey. If the team was not meeting his needs from a hockey perspective, that's one thing. To me it does not give him the right to shut down academically. Go to ****ing class and do the work. If you want to leave because you feel that you're not progressing and you want to focus on hockey, then leave before the season starts. Why subject yourself to suffering through classwork? If you make the decision to go back to school and play, then GO TO SCHOOL. As others here (and you yourself) have posted, there are resources available for student athletes that are better than for regular students. There is no excuse to shut down academically.

reBlur
01-02-2012, 07:16 PM
While I get what you're saying, what really frosts my cookies is that he was there to go to school and play hockey. If the team was not meeting his needs from a hockey perspective, that's one thing. To me it does not give him the right to shut down academically. Go to ****ing class and do the work. If you want to leave because you feel that you're not progressing and you want to focus on hockey, then leave before the season starts. Why subject yourself to suffering through classwork? If you make the decision to go back to school and play, then GO TO SCHOOL. As others here (and you yourself) have posted, there are resources available for student athletes that are better than for regular students. There is no excuse to shut down academically.

This.

From what I know from Parker, Coyle, and those close to Coyle at school, Coyle would have been able participate as a player on next semester's team. I don't know exactly how bad his grades were, but I know he didn't do much to fix whatever was wrong. I heard at the end of October/early November that Coyle's family was trying to encourage him to use the tutoring at his disposal. I know for a fact that Coyle took one of his finals early without seemingly studying for it and did not pay attention in class, instead choosing to watch game film or fool around on his computer. If his grades were an issue, there is no sign that he was putting the necessary effort in to remedy the situation. Whatever academic issues Coyle had was on him. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

There are a lot of things people can blame Parker for concerning this team, but it isn't Parker's fault that Coyle abandoned his teammates halfway through the season. Coyle should have known at the end of last season if school was too difficult to manage on top of hockey. He should have known at the end of last year exactly what playing system BU employs, and if that didn't fit his game, he had a full year of it under his belt to determine this summer that BU was not the route for him. Coyle was also likely going to leave at the end of this season. Therefore, instead of sticking it out for six more months, Coyle chose to abandon the teammates that he committed to playing with when he chose to return this season.

It was also unbelievably rude of him to not tell Clendening before the media approached him at the airport what was going on. According to Coyle himself, Coyle made the decision to leave BU by the week after Thanksgiving. This isn't something that was decided on last minute. He informed Parker before getting on the plane to World Juniors that he wouldn't be back. I can understand not wanting to tell the media what was going on - Parker said Coyle wanted to keep it quiet until after the tournament - but that doesn't mean you don't tell your roommate and travel partner what is going on.

Coyle was one of the players that I personally knew best on the team. I always thought of him as a polite, well-behaved, generally good guy. Coyle is not interested in bringing random girls back to his room or acting like an entitled brat in public like some hockey players do. He doesn't drink, only went out to bars when his teammates would beg him to come, and he'd always get water. He's pretty shy and takes the team's failures (and his own) very personally. He still refuses to talk about the Beanpot last season because he's so embarrassed, and he turns red whenever you ask him about a turnover or a mistake during a game. For him to abandon his team and treat his teammates like this, to me, is very disappointing.

If it turns out Saint John is better for his development, great. The way he handled the situation however, shows me that he could still learn a thing or two about what commitment means and how to better respect your teammates.

Agganis
01-02-2012, 08:23 PM
That said, I'd love to hear who you think continues to have a positive relationship with Parker that has played for him in the last 7 classes. Some may have a neutral attitude but I cannot think of one besides Joe P that I'd characterize wanting to have an ongoing relationship with the coach.

That I know of off the top off my head, one other member of the incoming class in 07-08 who has spent time in both the AHL and NHL talks to him regularly on the phone, whenever he is in town, gives him more credit than any other person for his on ice development, and will jump down the throat of anyone outside the team who criticizes him for things they speculate he does behind closed doors. I can only assume there are more.