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brassbonanza
12-24-2011, 07:15 PM
Coyle with 2 goals vs Slovakia in the last WJC exhibition game.

Hard not to think of the kid as at least a bit of a backstabber or at least a quitter.

ericredaxe
12-25-2011, 10:39 AM
Hard not to think of the kid as at least a bit of a backstabber or at least a quitter.

Backstabber maybe not. But quitter? Definitely.

ericredaxe
12-25-2011, 10:40 AM
But most importantly, merry Christmas to all.

carltonbarrett
12-25-2011, 10:42 AM
Whether he'd not been giving it 100% or wether Jack's offensive game plan was holding him back, he still was arguably the most talented kid on the team and no matter how you slice it, it's a big loss for BU.

mpereira
12-25-2011, 11:16 AM
Backstabber maybe not. But quitter? Definitely.

I think both apply. I'll be rooting for the U.S. obviously at the WJC but he is going to fall into the BC player category where I'm rooting for the team but not certain individual players to play well..unless it's helping Clendening rack up the assists.

Hokydad
12-25-2011, 11:42 AM
Hard not to think of the kid as at least a bit of a backstabber or at least a quitter.
quality kid, exceptional talent. BU was not the right program and time to move on.

Scarlet
12-25-2011, 12:07 PM
Merry Christmas (`http://www.carlsonschool.umn.edu/holiday11/) BU.

Awww. A dead link. You shouldn't have!

buoldtimer
12-25-2011, 01:18 PM
quality kid, exceptional talent. BU was not the right program and time to move on.
Conceding you have no obligation to do so, can you expand upon your "not the right program" comment? In what respects?

goalguard
12-25-2011, 04:14 PM
Whether he'd not been giving it 100% or wether Jack's offensive game plan was holding him back, he still was arguably the most talented kid on the team and no matter how you slice it, it's a big loss for BU.

I get to most BU games, so had lots of time to see Coyle, but never figured him out. He was strong, skilled, and for the most part played smart two-way hockey. But the fact remains, he scored 5 goals in calendar 2011. With 3 this season, he was trailing six teammates. What puzzles me is that he took only 25 shots in 16 games, in spite of being on the power play.

If you want to make a case for him, you'd have to say that he's a grinder not a scorer. In BU's 4-1 win over UNH, I thought he and his line played really well, but he didn't score a point. They just wore UNH down with battles on the boards and in the corners. That's important, no doubt about it. But it's a job that can be done by players who don't have Coyle's seeming skills. (Think John McCarthy.)

Sure, BU would be a better team with Coyle than without him, but Trivino was playing great in all phases of the game. He's the bigger loss by far. Coyle and Cisse had 4 goals between them to this point. My bet is that Cisse on his own will beat that easily the second half, especially as he'll be skating with better playmakers.

Jacques Joubert
12-25-2011, 05:13 PM
Not making light of the loss but he was never the same after world juniors last year. He seemed to be a very poor skater to me.

Big guy with great hands, no question, but Colin Wilson he's not. Not even a Brandon Yip or even a Keny Roche :)

goalguard
12-25-2011, 05:46 PM
Any speculation about what the lines will look like when everyone's back?

PS I probably missed it, but I hope someone gave Chris Connolly a tip of the hat for getting his 100th career point against UNH at the Whitt (and then two more in Orono)?

Hokydad
12-25-2011, 05:52 PM
Conceding you have no obligation to do so, can you expand upon your "not the right program" comment? In what respects?

Quality kid, rare talent. Will be a better pro than a college player. I meant league, not so much BU. Smart move as his goal is nhl not Beanpot.

Not the thread to start up on college game but it is a borderline bowling alley and has zero to do with pro style game. To much running around and hitting for all the wrong reasons. Hockey east is best league in country but MJ will get him ready for pros quicker, with his style. Thee is a reason why he looked so good at WJC and not as much when playing other college teams.

Will have along pro career and is a solid+ skater, considered very good for the style he will play

Bumbles
12-25-2011, 05:58 PM
I think both apply. I'll be rooting for the U.S. obviously at the WJC but he is going to fall into the BC player category where I'm rooting for the team but not certain individual players to play well..unless it's helping Clendening rack up the assists.

I know where you're coming from but at the end of the day, Coyle will still be a BU guy. Anytime anyone talks about Coyle + NCAA, BU will undoubtedly be referred to. I'll still be rooting for him and hopefully he does well in MJ and eventually the NHL.

brassbonanza
12-25-2011, 07:50 PM
Quality kid, rare talent. Will be a better pro than a college player. I meant league, not so much BU. Smart move as his goal is nhl not Beanpot.

Not the thread to start up on college game but it is a borderline bowling alley and has zero to do with pro style game. To much running around and hitting for all the wrong reasons. Hockey east is best league in country but MJ will get him ready for pros quicker, with his style. Thee is a reason why he looked so good at WJC and not as much when playing other college teams.

Will have along pro career and is a solid+ skater, considered very good for the style he will play

I understand what you're saying, but my albeit basic understanding of the Q is that it's a run and gun, up and down the ice, derby-style game with lots of scoring and little defense. From his games at BU, he never seemed the type who would especially excel in that type of environment. He's a good skater, but never struck me as a speedster. His game seemed to be more utilizing his size and strength to outwork guys along the boards and in front of the net to establish position, set screens, clean up pucks around the net, and fire off shots from the low slot. Not saying he couldn't or won't excel in the Q, but I don't see how his game is more suited for that than playing in the top college league that has its fair share of speed and size.

DLG
12-25-2011, 08:21 PM
Quality kid, rare talent. Will be a better pro than a college player. I meant league, not so much BU. Smart move as his goal is nhl not Beanpot.

Not the thread to start up on college game but it is a borderline bowling alley and has zero to do with pro style game. To much running around and hitting for all the wrong reasons. Hockey east is best league in country but MJ will get him ready for pros quicker, with his style. Thee is a reason why he looked so good at WJC and not as much when playing other college teams.

Will have along pro career and is a solid+ skater, considered very good for the style he will play


Giving him a pass for not being able or willing to do the work to stay in school
Not high quality to leave your teammates mid-season

RoughEmUp
12-25-2011, 10:02 PM
Awww. A dead link. You shouldn't have!
http://www.carlsonschool.umn.edu/holiday11/

FiveHole12
12-26-2011, 06:52 AM
Awww. A dead link. You shouldn't have!
Try this. (http://www.carlsonschool.umn.edu/holiday11/)
If this doesn't work, the one at the UML thread works.

Hokydad
12-26-2011, 08:55 AM
I understand what you're saying, but my albeit basic understanding of the Q is that it's a run and gun, up and down the ice, derby-style game with lots of scoring and little defense. From his games at BU, he never seemed the type who would especially excel in that type of environment. He's a good skater, but never struck me as a speedster. His game seemed to be more utilizing his size and strength to outwork guys along the boards and in front of the net to establish position, set screens, clean up pucks around the net, and fire off shots from the low slot. Not saying he couldn't or won't excel in the Q, but I don't see how his game is more suited for that than playing in the top college league that has its fair share of speed and size.

true, I like OHL much better. Can't stand the Q and outside Yandle and Hennesy, not many mass kids do well up there. The key is it is a slowed down, pro style game with 80 games vs 30 and he will be in AHL next year anyways. It is pretty obvious he didnt like school, such is life.

Hokydad
12-26-2011, 08:57 AM
Giving him a pass for not being able or willing to do the work to stay in school
Not high quality to leave your teammates mid-season

BU has created that atmosphere over the past 5+ years. All kids who think they are first liners and no role guys. If you have the pro mentality and or pro dreams, you find out real quick you are just a pawn.

mookie1995
12-26-2011, 09:23 AM
BU has created that atmosphere over the past 5+ years. All kids who think they are first liners and no role guys. If you have the pro mentality and or pro dreams, you find out real quick you are just a pawn.

this didn't really answer the question.

are you saying that charlie didn't think he needed to play a role? wouldn't accept things that didn't say to him, "hey, you are a first liner. how would you like your milk?" that he was a pawn, being told to work corners or stand in front of the net on the pp and he should have had better opportunities that weren't presented to him here but will be up north?