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scsutommyboy
11-15-2011, 01:03 PM
I am not Bakunin. I never said you were stupid. I am just surprised that you seemingly know so much about a program that I am sure you loathe. I agree with you on the last point; Lucia should NOT have been coaching at all, and I think quite a few Gopher fans here would agree with that (I could be wrong). As for 12 games constituting a turnaround, it is certainly early, but it is clear to most people (including opposing fans) who have watched the Gophers this year that they are a different team than previous years. IMO, it includes the year they started out 7-0-4.

So then, I ask you this, do you think the Gophers are going to continue playing this well? Or are they going to fade? If they are going to continue playing well, what is the reasoning? If they are going to fade, what is the reasoning?

You do realize for her to answer that she would actually have to know something about hockey?:D

Bronzebacks
11-15-2011, 01:05 PM
Except we started playing Hockey in 1895, the first recorded Gopher game was against the Winnipeg Victorias, we had the M before the ugly helmets sorry.

Ohh that's cute...too bad it's not just restricted to hockey when talking about school logos. Michigan has been playing Football since 1879 and has had the "M" in play since. Do your home work.

First Time, Long Time
11-15-2011, 01:11 PM
You do realize for her to answer that she would actually have to know something about hockey?:D

Yawn.

mariucci
11-15-2011, 01:16 PM
I like Guentzel.

I like Guentzel A LOT.

Still, I find it curious that no one has ever considered him as head coach timber and the guy cannot hold a job as an assistant.

There's more at play here than just Guentzel for the resurgance of the hockey team.

Mainly talent.

Definately more, but coincedence and talent goes only so far in my book... The talent has been there during the past few down seasons but the play has been horrendous, no hustle, zero defense and individual talent in the forwards...

Guentzel goes to UNO with Blais and in a single season puts them on the map and heck, they had a legit shot at a conference banner in that 1 season... When he left the Gophs immediately the team blew chunks all over themselves and the M, upon his return the club is playing at a level I haven't seen since he departed...

I hope when The Don retires Guentzel takes over, and he should, he's definately earned it imo

motox
11-15-2011, 01:19 PM
Thank you for the response. Patterson is certainly playing a big part, but he was here last year too. We definitely got some fantastic frosh, but few would argue that our lack of blue chip recruits has been a problem the past few seasons. Who has instilled this whole "team" thing in them? Since when the hell did we start backchecking and playing physical? IMO, a large part of that has to do with Guentzel coming in, and Lucia being fully healthy.

So what do you think will make the Gophers unable to keep up their current pace? Is it because they have not played anybody yet? ;)

Guentzel likely plays a role, but I don't think it's near the level many of you are claiming. Lucia being fully healthy....sure that plays into it a little bit, but again, not as much as people are saying. Seems like more people want to give credit to the coaching changes/staff than the kids themselves. Lucia's systems are still there, his oversight never left but the players are executing. Confidence goes a hell of a long ways. Having Sacred Heart to start the year probably did more than most think. Patterson was there last year but he's playing at a higher level now, especially after starting the year with two shutouts his confidence skyrocketed. The PP clicked right away playing a much less talented team, but it helps build confidence that the things they work on in practice will actually work in a game. So much of it is a mindset (and yes, the coaches play a role in that.)

One reason it could take a turn for the worse, yeah, the schedule is part of it (especially in Jan/Feb.) At UND, CC at home, H&H w/ SCSU, @Denver. That's a rough stretch. I'll fully admit at this point the series with us is probably the "easiest" in that group. Injuries, chemistry issues, etc can happen and right now in this first 12 game stretch it's been going the gophers way. Personally, I plan on seeing all of that start to change sometime around 7:37PM Friday night. :)

scsutommyboy
11-15-2011, 01:24 PM
Yawn.

Really, then why don't you answer his question?:p

First Time, Long Time
11-15-2011, 01:29 PM
Guentzel likely plays a role, but I don't think it's near the level many of you are claiming. Lucia being fully healthy....sure that plays into it a little bit, but again, not as much as people are saying. Seems like more people want to give credit to the coaching changes/staff than the kids themselves. Lucia's systems are still there, his oversight never left but the players are executing. Confidence goes a hell of a long ways. Having Sacred Heart to start the year probably did more than most think. Patterson was there last year but he's playing at a higher level now, especially after starting the year with two shutouts his confidence skyrocketed. The PP clicked right away playing a much less talented team, but it helps build confidence that the things they work on in practice will actually work in a game. So much of it is a mindset (and yes, the coaches play a role in that.)

One reason it could take a turn for the worse, yeah, the schedule is part of it (especially in Jan/Feb.) At UND, CC at home, H&H w/ SCSU, @Denver. That's a rough stretch. I'll fully admit at this point the series with us is probably the "easiest" in that group. Injuries, chemistry issues, etc can happen and right now in this first 12 game stretch it's been going the gophers way. Personally, I plan on seeing all of that start to change sometime around 7:37PM Friday night.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
Nicely done.

Go4PuckFan2.0
11-15-2011, 01:29 PM
I seem to remember SCSU sweeping MN in a home and home and scoring ten on the weekend, but then again the Gophers weren't the #1 team in the nation going into the series... they were no. 2.

SCSU fans can cherry pick all the data they want to extrapolate how Fiday and Saturday will unfold.

But the fact remains that since SCSU joined the WCHA they've never been more than an occasional flash-in-the-pan.

At best.

For those SCSU fans who question the Gophers consistency vs. their ranking, hey, look in the mirror.

JDUBBS1280
11-15-2011, 01:36 PM
Guentzel likely plays a role, but I don't think it's near the level many of you are claiming. Lucia being fully healthy....sure that plays into it a little bit, but again, not as much as people are saying. Seems like more people want to give credit to the coaching changes/staff than the kids themselves. Lucia's systems are still there, his oversight never left but the players are executing. Confidence goes a hell of a long ways. Having Sacred Heart to start the year probably did more than most think. Patterson was there last year but he's playing at a higher level now, especially after starting the year with two shutouts his confidence skyrocketed. The PP clicked right away playing a much less talented team, but it helps build confidence that the things they work on in practice will actually work in a game. So much of it is a mindset (and yes, the coaches play a role in that.)

One reason it could take a turn for the worse, yeah, the schedule is part of it (especially in Jan/Feb.) At UND, CC at home, H&H w/ SCSU, @Denver. That's a rough stretch. I'll fully admit at this point the series with us is probably the "easiest" in that group. Injuries, chemistry issues, etc can happen and right now in this first 12 game stretch it's been going the gophers way. Personally, I plan on seeing all of that start to change sometime around 7:37PM Friday night.

Personally. I don't think the problem was ever talent or confidence. I think it was a problem with motivation. Too many players had one foot out the door and there wasn't strong enough leadership on or off the ice.

Was it only Guentzel? No. Was it only Lucia? No. Was it only getting a captain Lucia says is the hardest working captain he's had? No. Was it only a strong sophomore and freshman class that likes to work? No.

But a combo of all those factors? Certainly.

state of hockey
11-15-2011, 01:44 PM
Spin spin spin spin. Games haven't even been played yet.

SCSU Euro
11-15-2011, 01:46 PM
SCSU fans can cherry pick all the data they want to extrapolate how Fiday and Saturday will unfold.

But the fact remains that since SCSU joined the WCHA they've never been more than an occasional flash-in-the-pan.

At best.

For those SCSU fans who question the Gophers consistency vs. their ranking, hey, look in the mirror.

Never said it WOULD happen that way, just meant saying SCSU sweeping and scoring 8 or 9 goals on the weekend is impossible means you don't know this rivalry. Last time one of these teams swept it was SCSU, two seasons ago, and they managed to score 8. We've got some of the guys involved in that weekend who still play for us, which has more bearing than how many NCs you guys are claiming this week

JDUBBS1280
11-15-2011, 01:52 PM
Never said it WOULD happen that way, just meant saying SCSU sweeping and scoring 8 or 9 goals on the weekend is impossible means you don't know this rivalry. Last time one of these teams swept it was SCSU, two seasons ago, and they managed to score 8. We've got some of the guys involved in that weekend who still play for us, which has more bearing than how many NCs you guys are claiming this week

It's certainly possible. These games are certainly fast-paced and high scoring.

mariucci
11-15-2011, 01:53 PM
Never said it WOULD happen that way, just meant saying SCSU sweeping and scoring 8 or 9 goals on the weekend is impossible means you don't know this rivalry. Last time one of these teams swept it was SCSU, two seasons ago, and they managed to score 8. We've got some of the guys involved in that weekend who still play for us, which has more bearing than how many NCs you guys are claiming this week

Nice dig...

For future reference: League Championships are not to be confused with National Championships. And until you have 1 of those its probably in your best interest to not engage in that discussion..

mariucci
11-15-2011, 01:55 PM
Guentzel likely plays a role, but I don't think it's near the level many of you are claiming. Lucia being fully healthy....sure that plays into it a little bit, but again, not as much as people are saying. Seems like more people want to give credit to the coaching changes/staff than the kids themselves. Lucia's systems are still there, his oversight never left but the players are executing. Confidence goes a hell of a long ways. Having Sacred Heart to start the year probably did more than most think. Patterson was there last year but he's playing at a higher level now, especially after starting the year with two shutouts his confidence skyrocketed. The PP clicked right away playing a much less talented team, but it helps build confidence that the things they work on in practice will actually work in a game. So much of it is a mindset (and yes, the coaches play a role in that.)

One reason it could take a turn for the worse, yeah, the schedule is part of it (especially in Jan/Feb.) At UND, CC at home, H&H w/ SCSU, @Denver. That's a rough stretch. I'll fully admit at this point the series with us is probably the "easiest" in that group. Injuries, chemistry issues, etc can happen and right now in this first 12 game stretch it's been going the gophers way. Personally, I plan on seeing all of that start to change sometime around 7:37PM Friday night. :)

Development was garbage, defense was garbage, hustle was non existant... Those all equate to coaching.

gopher wes
11-15-2011, 01:59 PM
I wasn't just taking a shot at you, I'm serious. soh, Slap Shot, Bak, anybody out there wanna give their best guess as to how good the attendance is from the opposing fan bases? Rank the whole WCHA. Though I suppose with UNO probably pretty hard to do. So if you wanna throw them out, that's fine, then go one through ten.
No one else seems to have taken your bait, but since I was the one making the wisecrack, I will try to give you a slight rundown on your question.

1. UND - hands down the most
2. UMD - they always have their crew that invades the student section or SRO as well as a strong showing in the regular seating
3. UW - they could maybe be #2 but IMO, I still say UMD
I think 4-8 could be interchangable
4. Denver
5. St. Cloud
6. Mankato
7. Bemidji
8. CC
9. Tech - although I think they could easily be in the 4-8 mix as well
10. UNO - could also be in that mix
11. AA - just a handful ever make the trip

Quite honestly, 4-11 are pretty even.

goldy_331
11-15-2011, 02:09 PM
No one else seems to have taken your bait, but since I was the one making the wisecrack, I will try to give you a slight rundown on your question.

1. UND - hands down the most
2. UMD - they always have their crew that invades the student section or SRO as well as a strong showing in the regular seating
3. UW - they could maybe be #2 but IMO, I still say UMD
I think 4-8 could be interchangable
4. Denver
5. St. Cloud
6. Mankato
7. Bemidji
8. CC
9. Tech - although I think they could easily be in the 4-8 mix as well
10. UNO - could also be in that mix
11. AA - just a handful ever make the trip

Quite honestly, 4-11 are pretty even.

And that list has changed over the years. There was a time when UW was clearly #1. In fact, the Gophers used to move one of the Border Battle games to a bigger venue, the old Met and later Target Center for the extra fans, many in red.

There were a couple years when SCSU was up at or near the top too, but it's been a while.

motox
11-15-2011, 02:15 PM
Development was garbage, defense was garbage, hustle was non existant... Those all equate to coaching.

Wow, such insight. Guenztel was able to develop these guys in one month? AMAZING! You're right though, I'm sure none of it had to do with different players, line combos, chemistry, attitude, etc. Someone mentioned they didn't think confidence was a problem the past few seasons, well, I know the fans are arrogant as all hell but that doesn't automatically mean the players are. Except for Budish, he's from Edina so he must be arrogant. ;)

SanTropez
11-15-2011, 02:17 PM
Ohh that's cute...too bad it's not just restricted to hockey when talking about school logos. Michigan has been playing Football since 1879 and has had the "M" in play since. Do your home work.

Who cares about Football.

I think your tent in the mountains is missing you.

goldy_331
11-15-2011, 02:18 PM
Except for Budish, he's from Edina so he must be arrogant. ;)

And again, it's a well deserved arrogance. :p

Go4PuckFan2.0
11-15-2011, 02:25 PM
Nice dig...

For future reference: League Championships are not to be confused with National Championships. And until you have 1 of those its probably in your best interest to not engage in that discussion..

Or an NCAA playoff win