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burgie12
11-28-2011, 12:30 PM
I was glad to see Higgs put as a wing on Laliberte's line-IMO, it generated more scoring chances than having the two centering separate lines. Maybe we need to concentrate our scoring power into fewer lines until everyone relaxes a bit and remembers they're all perfectly capable of scoring.
I was surprised at some of the line tinkering that Appert did for this game. Both Higgs and Malchuk (widely regarded as two of our top centers) were playing non-center positions. It seems like we've gone from a lack of centers to a glut.

Not that I'm complaining. I mean, it's hard to argue with results, but I just thought it was an odd shuffle.

FlagDUDE08
11-28-2011, 02:10 PM
I was surprised at some of the line tinkering that Appert did for this game. Both Higgs and Malchuk (widely regarded as two of our top centers) were playing non-center positions. It seems like we've gone from a lack of centers to a glut.

Not that I'm complaining. I mean, it's hard to argue with results, but I just thought it was an odd shuffle.

It has surprised me that Malchuk doesn't play center. He's one of our best faceoff guys.

DrDemento
11-28-2011, 04:01 PM
It has surprised me that Malchuk doesn't play center. He's one of our best faceoff guys.

And an extremely effective penalty kill guy. Hustles 100% every minute out there.

troyboy
11-28-2011, 08:51 PM
Random thought/concern: anyone else concerned by the fact that we were taking issue with not producing on the power play earlier this season, yet suddenly we did this past weekend, and now we've gone an epic amount of game minutes without an even strength goal? Why are our offensive woes swinging from one side of the equation to the other? (Regardless of the fact that we're having scoring issues all around. This is within the scope of the actual scoring we're doing)

Edit: also, why is one of our top scorers a d-man? I know he's got a wicked one-timer, and I'm not complaining about the production, but still just a curiosity question. Just my opinion but scoring 5on5 is about 30% skill and 70% bounces and opportunity(luck) the power play is 30% luck and 70% skill and execution.5on5 if you keep shooting on net working the corners and crashing the net they will eventually start going in granted were testing that theory but I believe it will come around for us...the PP is all about execution...its about moving the puck making great passes and finding the open man...there is a great deal more time and space on the PP and execution by skilled players wiil exploit that more times than not....the fact that our PP is looking better every week tells me that we have skilled players that can execute and they are starting to jell...so if we can continue to grind out 5 on 5's and continue to execute on our PP we will start to put some numbers up and maybe get on a little run.JMO

troyboy
11-28-2011, 09:02 PM
Just for the record I'm a big Josh Rabbani fan...JR seems to draw a lot of attention when he is in the corners and put alot of people on their *ss...its hard to defend a guy like JL from the seat of your pants...I would like to see him more often on a line w/JL playing on his off wing...JR digging pucks out to him and taking up space in front of the net and generally looking after him !!!!!!!

DrDemento
11-29-2011, 06:30 AM
Just my opinion but scoring 5on5 is about 30% skill and 70% bounces and opportunity(luck) the power play is 30% luck and 70% skill and execution.5on5 if you keep shooting on net working the corners and crashing the net they will eventually start going in granted were testing that theory but I believe it will come around for us...the PP is all about execution...its about moving the puck making great passes and finding the open man...there is a great deal more time and space on the PP and execution by skilled players wiil exploit that more times than not....the fact that our PP is looking better every week tells me that we have skilled players that can execute and they are starting to jell...so if we can continue to grind out 5 on 5's and continue to execute on our PP we will start to put some numbers up and maybe get on a little run.JMO

Interesting thoughts. I would not be concerned about our 5 on 5 play and scoring (as long as we kep the other team off the scoreboard). But that would be true if we were clicking on the power play at over 20%. Most games we get enough powerplays that if we can score on 20% or more we should get a goal or two. Our penalty killing has been good enough for that to give us a net + on special teams most games. If we could just play 5 on 5 to a standstill(even 0-0) we certainly would have more than a 3-10 record. Our lack of scoring is of course a concern-but as we all know we have been hit incredibly hard by injuries to exactly the area that should be doing most of the scoring-our young forwards and centers. I do not like losing, but I love this team. I still insist we are a tough team to play and will only get tougher as this season and league play goes on. As usual-just my 2

Ralph Baer
11-29-2011, 06:59 AM
Interesting thoughts. I would not be concerned about our 5 on 5 play and scoring (as long as we kep the other team off the scoreboard). But that would be true if we were clicking on the power play at over 20%. Most games we get enough powerplays that if we can score on 20% or more we should get a goal or two. Our penalty killing has been good enough for that to give us a net + on special teams most games. If we could just play 5 on 5 to a standstill(even 0-0) we certainly would have more than a 3-10 record. Our lack of scoring is of course a concern-but as we all know we have been hit incredibly hard by injuries to exactly the area that should be doing most of the scoring-our young forwards and centers. I do not like losing, but I love this team. I still insist we are a tough team to play and will only get tougher as this season and league play goes on. As usual-just my 2 That's worth at least a nickle. ;) Our powerplay appears to be improving, although it couldn't have gotten much worse. As to 5 on 5, I am trying to stay optimistic. :(

redhead18
11-29-2011, 07:03 AM
Just for the record I'm a big Josh Rabbani fan...JR seems to draw a lot of attention when he is in the corners and put alot of people on their *ss...its hard to defend a guy like JL from the seat of your pants...I would like to see him more often on a line w/JL playing on his off wing...JR digging pucks out to him and taking up space in front of the net and generally looking after him !!!!!!!Im also a big JR fan for the same reasons you mentioned, I just wish he had a little more offensive touch to his game if he's going to be put on a line with JL and Higgs. I have high hopes that Zalewski will step in and fill that off wing spot on JL's line next season. That could be one dangerous line for our opponents to deal with.

turk181
11-29-2011, 09:43 AM
Just a random thought. We are now 2-1 with Luke Curadi in the line up and 1-9 without him. Probably not statistically important but it makes me wonder a bit. Second Luke's +/- is 0 after his three games and I think only one other RPI player is as high as that. Everyone else is more negative. Again, probably means nothing and I never put much emphasis on +/- but perhaps he should be in there a bit more and we would have a better idea if these numbers can continue. Our defensive corps is a strong point and i can't see meddling with it too much-but the numbers so far are a little interesting.:confused: release, "the Kraken" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF3Y_54EN8Y&feature=related

engineerhockeyfan
11-29-2011, 10:27 AM
Just for the record I'm a big Josh Rabbani fan...JR seems to draw a lot of attention when he is in the corners and put alot of people on their *ss...its hard to defend a guy like JL from the seat of your pants...I would like to see him more often on a line w/JL playing on his off wing...JR digging pucks out to him and taking up space in front of the net and generally looking after him !!!!!!!

I too like JR, but the times that I saw them play together, Laliberte was giving up shots to pass to Rabbani. I know that Josh is the upperclassman, but JL needs to shoot more. He is the scorer on that line.

bothman
11-29-2011, 12:45 PM
Looking back at RPI over the SA era, what % of goals have been scored via special teams vs even strength and how does that compare to the national average? Perhaps this will provide more context to the current deficiencies and more importantly, help to focus where the improvement needs to come from.

Red Cloud
11-29-2011, 01:12 PM
Looking back at RPI over the SA era, what % of goals have been scored via special teams vs even strength and how does that compare to the national average? Perhaps this will provide more context to the current deficiencies and more importantly, help to focus where the improvement needs to come from.

Thanks, cake eater, we've got it.

FlagDUDE08
11-29-2011, 01:36 PM
Looking back at RPI over the SA era, what % of goals have been scored via special teams vs even strength and how does that compare to the national average?

http://bit.ly/skV0CX

DrDemento
11-29-2011, 02:34 PM
I too like JR, but the times that I saw them play together, Laliberte was giving up shots to pass to Rabbani. I know that Josh is the upperclassman, but JL needs to shoot more. He is the scorer on that line.

Jackpot! This team in the next few years will either score with JL, Neal, Haggerty etc or be playing lots of 1-0 games. We have great kids in the other classes but none of them have showed they can find the net. We will be adding more offense next year which should help but our future offense is mostly here right now and it is just a matter of time before we get to see some better results.

FlagDUDE08
11-29-2011, 03:04 PM
Jackpot! This team in the next few years will either score with JL, Neal, Haggerty etc or be playing lots of 1-0 games. We have great kids in the other classes but none of them have showed they can find the net. We will be adding more offense next year which should help but our future offense is mostly here right now and it is just a matter of time before we get to see some better results.

I seemingly remember saying at least once during the RIT game (maybe more): "Oh, JL, you gotta take that shot!" That may be the instance, as I can't remember the intended receiver.

burgie12
11-29-2011, 03:15 PM
Looking back at RPI over the SA era, what % of goals have been scored via special teams vs even strength and how does that compare to the national average? Perhaps this will provide more context to the current deficiencies and more importantly, help to focus where the improvement needs to come from.
I'm not sure why I care, but:

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| Totals |
| | For | Against | National |
| Year | G Tot Even PP SH PPCh PPPrct | G Tot Even PP SH PPCh PPPrct | G Tot Even PP SH PPCh PPPrct |
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| 06-07 | 36 88 49 36 3 239 15.1 | 36 130 66 52 12 249 20.9 | 2218 6426 3857 2249 320 13280 16.9 |
| 07-08 | 38 79 64 12 3 170 7.1 | 38 113 73 29 11 205 14.1 | 2244 6189 4098 1819 272 10948 16.6 |
| 08-09 | 39 76 55 17 4 195 8.7 | 39 132 84 43 5 245 17.6 | 2198 6175 3911 1967 297 11977 16.4 |
| 09-10 | 39 109 65 39 5 213 18.3 | 39 108 65 38 5 212 17.9 | 2196 6450 4187 2008 255 10984 18.3 |
| 10-11 | 38 110 69 36 5 205 17.6 | 38 90 56 31 3 198 15.7 | 2190 6394 4186 1834 285 10131 18.1 |
| 11-12 | 13 13 5 7 1 67 10.4 | 13 34 24 9 1 72 12.5 | 772 2173 1457 632 84 3516 18.0 |
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| Per-Game Average |
| | For | Against | National |
| Year | G Tot Even PP SH PPCh | G Tot Even PP SH PPCh | G Tot Even PP SH PPCh |
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| 06-07 | 36 2.44 1.36 1.00 0.08 6.64 | 36 3.61 1.83 1.44 0.33 6.92 | 2218 2.90 1.74 1.01 0.14 5.99 |
| 07-08 | 38 2.08 1.68 0.32 0.08 4.47 | 38 2.97 1.92 0.76 0.29 5.39 | 2244 2.76 1.83 0.81 0.12 4.88 |
| 08-09 | 39 1.95 1.41 0.44 0.10 5.00 | 39 3.38 2.15 1.10 0.13 6.28 | 2198 2.81 1.78 0.89 0.14 5.45 |
| 09-10 | 39 2.79 1.67 1.00 0.13 5.46 | 39 2.77 1.67 0.97 0.13 5.44 | 2196 2.94 1.91 0.91 0.12 5.00 |
| 10-11 | 38 2.89 1.82 0.95 0.13 5.39 | 38 2.37 1.47 0.82 0.08 5.21 | 2190 2.92 1.95 0.84 0.13 4.63 |
| 11-12 | 13 1.00 0.38 0.54 0.08 5.15 | 13 2.62 1.85 0.69 0.08 5.54 | 772 2.81 1.89 0.82 0.11 4.55 |
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G = Games; Tot = Total Goals Scored; Even = Even-Strength Goals; PP = Power Play Goals;
SH = Shorthanded Goals; PPCh = Power Play Chances; PPPrct = Power Play Percent

Full spreadsheet here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37925858/National%20Goal-Scoring%20Statistics.xls)

The usual disclaimers apply: I did not make sure this data was correct, I just pulled it off of CollegeHockeyStats.net. Goals scored include empty-net goals, which skew statistics. Teams do not play even schedules (RIT is consistently in the Top-5 in goals per game, but they play against Atlantic Hockey teams). Etc. But, it is what it is. Enjoy.

Red Cloud
11-29-2011, 03:15 PM
I seemingly remember saying at least once during the RIT game (maybe more): "Oh, JL, you gotta take that shot!" That may be the instance, as I can't remember the intended receiver.

To be fair, though, you don't seem to be a very good judge of stuff like that. They may have been playing better at the time than you give them credit for.

JCrawford
11-29-2011, 03:16 PM
I can't remember the intended receiver.

Intended receiver? When did we start talking about football?

Ralph Baer
11-29-2011, 03:33 PM
I'm not sure why I care, but:

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| Totals |
| | For | Against | National |
| Year | G Tot Even PP SH PPCh PPPrct | G Tot Even PP SH PPCh PPPrct | G Tot Even PP SH PPCh PPPrct |
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| 06-07 | 36 88 49 36 3 239 15.1 | 36 130 66 52 12 249 20.9 | 2218 6426 3857 2249 320 13280 16.9 |
| 07-08 | 38 79 64 12 3 170 7.1 | 38 113 73 29 11 205 14.1 | 2244 6189 4098 1819 272 10948 16.6 |
| 08-09 | 39 76 55 17 4 195 8.7 | 39 132 84 43 5 245 17.6 | 2198 6175 3911 1967 297 11977 16.4 |
| 09-10 | 39 109 65 39 5 213 18.3 | 39 108 65 38 5 212 17.9 | 2196 6450 4187 2008 255 10984 18.3 |
| 10-11 | 38 110 69 36 5 205 17.6 | 38 90 56 31 3 198 15.7 | 2190 6394 4186 1834 285 10131 18.1 |
| 11-12 | 13 13 5 7 1 67 10.4 | 13 34 24 9 1 72 12.5 | 772 2173 1457 632 84 3516 18.0 |
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| Per-Game Average |
| | For | Against | National |
| Year | G Tot Even PP SH PPCh | G Tot Even PP SH PPCh | G Tot Even PP SH PPCh |
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| 06-07 | 36 2.44 1.36 1.00 0.08 6.64 | 36 3.61 1.83 1.44 0.33 6.92 | 2218 2.90 1.74 1.01 0.14 5.99 |
| 07-08 | 38 2.08 1.68 0.32 0.08 4.47 | 38 2.97 1.92 0.76 0.29 5.39 | 2244 2.76 1.83 0.81 0.12 4.88 |
| 08-09 | 39 1.95 1.41 0.44 0.10 5.00 | 39 3.38 2.15 1.10 0.13 6.28 | 2198 2.81 1.78 0.89 0.14 5.45 |
| 09-10 | 39 2.79 1.67 1.00 0.13 5.46 | 39 2.77 1.67 0.97 0.13 5.44 | 2196 2.94 1.91 0.91 0.12 5.00 |
| 10-11 | 38 2.89 1.82 0.95 0.13 5.39 | 38 2.37 1.47 0.82 0.08 5.21 | 2190 2.92 1.95 0.84 0.13 4.63 |
| 11-12 | 13 1.00 0.38 0.54 0.08 5.15 | 13 2.62 1.85 0.69 0.08 5.54 | 772 2.81 1.89 0.82 0.11 4.55 |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

G = Games; Tot = Total Goals Scored; Even = Even-Strength Goals; PP = Power Play Goals;
SH = Shorthanded Goals; PPCh = Power Play Chances; PPPrct = Power Play Percent

Full spreadsheet here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/37925858/National%20Goal-Scoring%20Statistics.xls)

The usual disclaimers apply: I did not make sure this data was correct, I just pulled it off of CollegeHockeyStats.net. Goals scored include empty-net goals, which skew statistics. Teams do not play even schedules (RIT is consistently in the Top-5 in goals per game, but they play against Atlantic Hockey teams). Etc. But, it is what it is. Enjoy.

I'm impressed. :)

AspyDad
11-29-2011, 03:37 PM
I can't remember the intended receiver.

The penalty is on 08. Excess use of veribage. Repeat the down and lost of post.