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babo
11-21-2011, 06:41 PM
[QUOTE=Ralph Baer;5273849]We probably all thought that you were related to that other Dad. ;)=Quote]

Well...AD does scream 'look at me look at me' (I'm still smarting over the rookie award that he stole from me when he joined the thread...)...so they do have THAT in common...

ServinisScores
11-21-2011, 07:03 PM
Welcome back ServinisScores, if you haven't noticed we still nitpick people about postings. Hope you and yours are well.

Same to you. I've noticed, I just haven't had anything good to add.

FlagDUDE08
11-21-2011, 07:31 PM
Well...AD does scream 'look at me look at me' (I'm still smarting over the rookie award that he stole from me when he joined the thread...)...so they do have THAT in common...

And he flaunts it, too. Look at that signature... ;) (insert comment about me being one to talk here)

babo
11-21-2011, 07:42 PM
And he flaunts it, too. Look at that signature... ;) (insert comment about me being one to talk here)
Your freak flag screams the same thing...:D

AspyDad
11-22-2011, 07:09 AM
[QUOTE=Ralph Baer;5273849]We probably all thought that you were related to that other Dad. ;)=Quote]

Well...AD does scream 'look at me look at me' (I'm still smarting over the rookie award that he stole from me when he joined the thread...)...so they do have THAT in common...

You know me to well babo, I'm a press hound.

AspyDad
11-22-2011, 07:11 AM
I must admit you are getting funnier with age. Retirement has done well for you.:)

It's tough being staright man for RB.

DrDemento
11-22-2011, 08:24 AM
It's tough being staright man for RB.

We've needed a straight man on these threads for years. We have sarcasm covered real well with RC, RB, B-12, FDude and myself.;)

babo
11-22-2011, 08:41 AM
So if Merrimack can earn top honors after having a poor record just 4 or so years ago, why wouldn't HE consider RPI? We will have a bright future either way, I'm just asking in case I missed something...

FlagDUDE08
11-22-2011, 08:46 AM
We've needed a straight man on these threads for years. We have sarcasm covered real well with RC, RB, B-12, FDude and myself.;)

We have "straight" people on here. How about JCrawford, GRussinko, realet, fr joe, Senna, cmmarkham, and quite a few others I know I'm forgetting? We don't hear from them as often as the sarcastic ones you mentioned, but what they post has always been quite informative.

Obligatory mention of AspyDad, troyboy, and babo, just because.

ibanezist00
11-22-2011, 08:58 AM
So if Merrimack can earn top honors after having a poor record just 4 or so years ago, why wouldn't HE consider RPI? We will have a bright future either way, I'm just asking in case I missed something...

Shiny philosophical answer: because things in this world aren't fair and decisions are rarely based on logically-sound premises.

Real answer: Like anything else in the world, I think it will matter to HE whether or not they can expand the "brand" of HE hockey by including RPI into the mix or if financially it would benefit the league. Though I think it is a perfect fit (apart from the academic profile of RPI, which I absolutely believe matches up better with the ECAC than HE), some will debate whether we will really add anything, geographic location, our recent relative lack of big success, etc. In other words: I haven't heard a solid argument AGAINST RPI being included in the HEA.

Ralph Baer
11-22-2011, 10:09 AM
Shiny philosophical answer: because things in this world aren't fair and decisions are rarely based on logically-sound premises.

Real answer: Like anything else in the world, I think it will matter to HE whether or not they can expand the "brand" of HE hockey by including RPI into the mix or if financially it would benefit the league. Though I think it is a perfect fit (apart from the academic profile of RPI, which I absolutely believe matches up better with the ECAC than HE), some will debate whether we will really add anything, geographic location, our recent relative lack of big success, etc. In other words: I haven't heard a solid argument AGAINST RPI being included in the HEA.

We do match up better academically with the ECAC. Also, RPI is a private school which matches better with the ECAC since only 2 HEA schools are private, non-church schools. Be that as it may, for the long-term health of the hockey, it's to our advantage to move. What we have to do is convince the HEA that we are the best candidate.

Timmah!
11-22-2011, 10:15 AM
Shiny philosophical answer: because things in this world aren't fair and decisions are rarely based on logically-sound premises.

Real answer: Like anything else in the world, I think it will matter to HE whether or not they can expand the "brand" of HE hockey by including RPI into the mix or if financially it would benefit the league. Though I think it is a perfect fit (apart from the academic profile of RPI, which I absolutely believe matches up better with the ECAC than HE), some will debate whether we will really add anything, geographic location, our recent relative lack of big success, etc. In other words: I haven't heard a solid argument AGAINST RPI being included in the HEA.

Though I've beaten a hole in my Hockey East drum, I'll chime in anyways. Our poor performance this year doesn't help in terms of admission to HE, but I don't think it is the predominant factor in determining worthiness to join the conference. Every team has good and bad years, and a team should be selected based on the whole package, rather than a moment in time.

RPI of all of the potential programs is the best fit for HE as is. Basically the only changes required are the specifics with rebranding and restructuring as an HE team. RPI is accepted into the conference, and boom, we are a Hockey East team with fanbase, venue, and team intact. The only downside is that outside of history, fanbase, and a decent historical reputation in college hockey, we might not offer HE the kind of brand image they are looking for.

Teams like UConn or Syracuse would be a dream come true for Hockey East. Huge national reputation, much more likely to draw in a casual fan/television viewer. The problem is that either of these teams would need to overcome massive financial and organizational hurdles to have a competitive team in HE (or even a team at all). As unlikely as either option is, if HE has aspirations of branding their league by bringing in "BCS" teams, then none of the small fish are going to have a shot. HE will tread water with 11 until one of the big boys steps up.

In my opinion, any selection of Holy Cross or Quinnipiac is New England homerism and little else. HC would have to overcome their share of financial hurdles to get up to snuff. Qpac, outside of technically being a D1 school, adds about as much to the HE brand as RPI, but brings a smaller fanbase, and less history.

I take anything I have heard about Cornell with a very,very large grain of salt, just because of the Ivy association. If they were legit, that would be a very real threat. Lynah may be small, but their fanbase is massive, and they have history, recent success, and a bigger national hockey rep. Again, I highly doubt that would happen, but who the hell knows...

Ralph Baer
11-22-2011, 10:22 AM
I take anything I have heard about Cornell with a very,very large grain of salt, just because of the Ivy association. If they were legit, that would be a very real threat. Lynah may be small, but their fanbase is massive, and they have history, recent success, and a bigger national hockey rep. Again, I highly doubt that would happen, but who the hell knows... To me Cornell is even less likely than Harvard, and it won't be Harvard. The Ivies are just not breaking up. If we think that RPI will have it tough convining our admins that we should leave the ECAC, an Ivy school would have it much tougher.

Then again, perhaps SUNY-Ithaca will break away from the rest of Cornell and join HEA.

Senna
11-22-2011, 10:27 AM
So if Merrimack can earn top honors after having a poor record just 4 or so years ago, why wouldn't HE consider RPI? We will have a bright future either way, I'm just asking in case I missed something...

OK - I'll bite considering I was the one who memorialized the question in black and white the other day. Let me re-write what you wrote with minor modification...."So if RPI earned top honors after having a poor record just 4 or so years ago, why wouldnt HE have admitted RPI already ?" I still think that we make great sense in HE and I also think makes fantastic sense for us to be there. I am still hopeful that a move comes to fruition. All I was trying to say is that some may just look at our record and note that we are struggling a bit right now and question what it is that we bring today to the table in terms of making the league more competitie rather than diluting, and why our move makes economic sense for every other team in the league.

I absolutely agree with you that anyone who spends any time with Knowlton, Appert, or any of the kids would see that we have an incredibly bright future. The current record just makes a bit more difficult of a sell to all of the other schools in the league. Then again, as Ralph keeps reminding me, SA can sell snow to eskimos.... :)

I'm kind getting the itch after not being to a game since the last weekend home game, and miss seeing all of you. Hope all is well and that everyone has a great Thanksgiving, and looking forward to catching up on the other side.

BTW Babo - did you ever get credit for that point and have posted to your stat sheet ? :)

FlagDUDE08
11-22-2011, 11:12 AM
Back to the "what if" game. I realize it's moot because you can't change the past, but I'll ask anyway, as it could have an impact on our future (or at least our perception of it): What if JL had shown up as a freshman last year or the year before? Would we have had the same scoring difficulties this year? Even Chase Polacek only scored 7 goals his freshman year (Helfrich had 9), and 11 his sophomore year (Helfrich with 5, Cullen with 10).

Timmah!
11-22-2011, 11:13 AM
To me Cornell is even less likely than Harvard, and it won't be Harvard. The Ivies are just not breaking up. If we think that RPI will have it tough convining our admins that we should leave the ECAC, an Ivy school would have it much tougher.

Then again, perhaps SUNY-Ithaca will break away from the rest of Cornell and join HEA.

I agree with you completely. Cornell is not breaking its ivy ties. I addressed it only because the rumor mill has brought it up a few times. Though I have no intention of venturing over to the Ivory Tower, I wonder what people at eLynah have to say about HE expansion. My guess is that many of the Lynah faithful would be against leaving the other Ivies in hockey.

redhead18
11-22-2011, 11:29 AM
To me Cornell is even less likely than Harvard, and it won't be Harvard. The Ivies are just not breaking up. If we think that RPI will have it tough convining our admins that we should leave the ECAC, an Ivy school would have it much tougher.

Then again, perhaps SUNY-Ithaca will break away from the rest of Cornell and join HEA.Agree, there is no way the Ivies are breaking up. If anything I think with all the realignment and TV deals going down, the chances of seeing the Ivies break off and start their own conference is better then its ever been. If RPI says "no thanks" to Hockey East again and we see an Ivy Hockey League start up where does that leave RPI...

Ralph Baer
11-22-2011, 11:57 AM
Agree, there is no way the Ivies are breaking up. If anything I think with all the realignment and TV deals going down, the chances of seeing the Ivies break off and start their own conference is better then its ever been. If RPI says "no thanks" to Hockey East again and we see an Ivy Hockey League start up where does that leave RPI...

In the Liberty Hockey League?

Red Cloud
11-22-2011, 12:03 PM
I agree with you completely. Cornell is not breaking its ivy ties. I addressed it only because the rumor mill has brought it up a few times. Though I have no intention of venturing over to the Ivory Tower, I wonder what people at eLynah have to say about HE expansion. My guess is that many of the Lynah faithful would be against leaving the other Ivies in hockey.

Better watch what you say about Those Who Will Not Be Besmirched... otherwise TimV will show up, whine at you, and then demand that you put him on ignore.

FlagDUDE08
11-22-2011, 12:06 PM
Better watch what you say about Those Who Will Not Be Besmirched... otherwise TimV will show up, whine at you, and then demand that you put him on ignore.

Better than HokyDad. ;) At least TimV stands behind a team and not just in front of one.