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hockeymascot
11-18-2011, 09:25 AM
See, this is the problem. You're never around during "thick." You never offer anything positive, only negative. Since you are already choosing to take it as such, you will most likely, like Beman, take this as some kind of rebuke for simply being critical, but when you offer nothing but criticism, your criticisms are very, very easily dismissed. And I do dismiss them because of that.

Everyone is entitled to post here, positive and negative. It has become increasingly evident that you are moderator of this thread. Babo is right, if you disagree with a post, you state it and then attack, almost like you take it personally.:rolleyes:

ibanezist00
11-18-2011, 09:28 AM
So how about that wonderful sport called "hockey"? I think it's pretty cool, it's very fast-paced. Anybody know where I can discuss it in depth with fellow fans?

FlagDUDE08
11-18-2011, 09:35 AM
So how about that wonderful sport called "hockey"? I think it's pretty cool, it's very fast-paced. Anybody know where I can discuss it in depth with fellow fans?

You came here to talk hockey? Let's talk hockey. Anything you had specifically in mind?

Ralph Baer
11-18-2011, 09:37 AM
I think that our offense is going to break out vs. Bye this evening. ;)

ibanezist00
11-18-2011, 09:41 AM
You came here to talk hockey? Let's talk hockey. Anything you had specifically in mind?

To divert away to the pros for a minute, what is everyone's stance on the whole Tampa Bay Lightning using nothing but the 1-3-1 trap issue? There's a lot of discussion about possible rule changes/refs watching for it specifically in the NHL right now due to the fact that it makes games uninteresting, makes teams like the Flyers not advance the puck because they're sick of that defensive measure, etc etc. and it just got me thinking about college hockey defense in general and how different it is from the pros.

Ralph Baer
11-18-2011, 09:42 AM
Ryan Haggerty is a C skater on the NHL Players to Watch List.
article http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=601845
list http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=75380&navid=DL

No one commented upon this yesterday. Ryan Haggerty was passed over last year. Does anyone think that he is likely to be selected this year.

it's also interesting that there are nine ECAC players listed (from eight schools), more than all the other leagues combined, although neither of the A selections is from the ECAC.

ibanezist00
11-18-2011, 09:43 AM
Also on another thought, York was returned to the Springfield Falcons in the AHL even though the Columbus Blue Jackets are struggling and he had the best record by numbers of any of the three goalies on that team. Thoughts on that?

babo
11-18-2011, 09:44 AM
You think this is about attention? First mistake.

No mistake.

I'm the only one being personally attacked here. If you think it's a personal attack to point out how incessantly boring certain redundant lines of discussion about inane topics are... you may have a thinner skin than I pegged you for.

If you think I'm personally attacking you then I understand why you act as you do...you must not have any idea what a personal attack is. Once you learn, you may stop...or not...in that case there's no longer a need for me to waste time on you. I will not do to you what you do to others. You will have the last word because you always must...continue...

Big Jim
11-18-2011, 09:44 AM
There's a difference between blindly following your team believing they can do no wrong, sticking with your team while giving constructive criticism, and giving destructive criticism while giving up on your team. Trust me on this one; I'm a Bills fan (NFL). Where TB is referring is that we are "short-handed" for this year, as there was a general consensus that JDA and BP would be around for 3 years. It was a safe assumption, given their talent, that we weren't going to have them all 4 years. We did not expect them to bolt after 1 year. We certainly have recruits with high talent (Mike Zalewski, Riley Bourbonnais), and this year we have a developing college superstar (a little foreshadowing; he's not there yet, but neither was Polacek his freshman year) in JL. We can't go back to August 2010 and have JDA and BP recant their professional signing, so it's time to move on. It's a challenge for any sports program at any level beneath the highest professional ranks. It takes quite a while to get a system in place where you're getting those superstars in every class. Patience is a virtue.

Well stated FD, I've got patience...if I live long enough.;)

FlagDUDE08
11-18-2011, 09:49 AM
To divert away to the pros for a minute, what is everyone's stance on the whole Tampa Bay Lightning using nothing but the 1-3-1 trap issue? There's a lot of discussion about possible rule changes/refs watching for it specifically in the NHL right now due to the fact that it makes games uninteresting, makes teams like the Flyers not advance the puck because they're sick of that defensive measure, etc etc. and it just got me thinking about college hockey defense in general and how different it is from the pros.

As much as I think the trap is cheap and forces the player to chuck the puck from "the cheap seats" (aka the blue line), I don't like the idea of prohibiting it. We could use, as a comparison, a time when the NBA had disallowed "zone defense" in order to encourage more scoring. It wasn't enjoyable, at least in my opinion. What I would say is, "Find a way to beat it." There has to be a weakness in the 1-3-1.

FlagDUDE08
11-18-2011, 09:50 AM
Also on another thought, York was returned to the Springfield Falcons in the AHL even though the Columbus Blue Jackets are struggling and he had the best record by numbers of any of the three goalies on that team. Thoughts on that?

I'll let you know on the alumni thread. ;) (but at least I can see him play in Syracuse on December 28th)

Red Cloud
11-18-2011, 09:55 AM
If you think I'm personally attacking you

No. Using words like "bully" and "blanket party," I'm sure those were terms of endearment. I guess I don't know what a personal attack is.

The problem is, I can take it. So bring it on. I don't care.

And yes, I will have the last word, unless you want to continue.

Hokydad
11-18-2011, 09:58 AM
If you think I'm personally attacking you then I understand why you act as you do...you must not have any idea what a personal attack is. Once you learn, you may stop...or not...in that case there's no longer a need for me to waste time on you. I will not do to you what you do to others. You will have the last word because you always must...continue...

I like this lady

Red Cloud
11-18-2011, 10:00 AM
Oh, I see it's March already. Welcome back, Mark. Liar.

Ralph Baer
11-18-2011, 10:04 AM
I'll let you know on the alumni thread. ;) (but at least I can see him play in Syracuse on December 28th)

You've been well trained. :)

FlagDUDE08
11-18-2011, 10:06 AM
You've been well trained. :)

I learn from the best. ;)

Ralph Baer
11-18-2011, 10:07 AM
Oh, I see it's March already. Welcome back, Mark. Liar.

I must have fallen asleep again. ;)

FreshFish
11-18-2011, 10:22 AM
To divert away to the pros for a minute, what is everyone's stance on the whole Tampa Bay Lightning using nothing but the 1-3-1 trap issue? There's a lot of discussion about possible rule changes/refs watching for it specifically in the NHL right now due to the fact that it makes games uninteresting, makes teams like the Flyers not advance the puck because they're sick of that defensive measure, etc etc. and it just got me thinking about college hockey defense in general and how different it is from the pros.

When I saw the story about that game, I wondered about this situation for a few moments.....what kind of 'rule change' might you implement?

I thought that changing the offsides rule to allow for a two-line (or even three-line!) pass would be sufficient?

Might one simply loft the puck down ice and have someone take off like mad to retrieve it to beat the trap?? The loft both giving your teammate more time to get there and also to allow for potentially funky bounces?

Or the way TB sat back and waited while Philly had the puck in their own zone, just put three players at the TB blue line and loft the puck from your own end? The trap only works against moving the puck at ice level, no? isn't it vulnerable to an aerial attack?

I suppose something like the old 'flying wedge' from 1930s college football is illegal? (if TB sits back in the trap start three skaters up ice together with a 4th behind them carrying the puck).

FlagDUDE08
11-18-2011, 10:26 AM
When I saw the story about that game, I wondered about this situation for a few moments.....what kind of 'rule change' might you implement?

I thought that changing the offsides rule to allow for a two-line (or even three-line!) pass would be sufficient?

Might one simply loft the puck down ice and have someone take off like mad to retrieve it to beat the trap?? The loft both giving your teammate more time to get there and also to allow for potentially funky bounces?

Or the way TB sat back and waited while Philly had the puck in their own zone, just put three players at the TB blue line and loft the puck from your own end? The trap only works against moving the puck at ice level, no? isn't it vulnerable to an aerial attack?

I suppose something like the old 'flying wedge' from 1930s college football is illegal? (if TB sits back in the trap start three skaters up ice together with a 4th behind them carrying the puck).

I think it'd be enforced similar to how "illegal defense" was enforced in the NBA: first offense warning, second offense team technical foul. Obviously in hockey's case it would be a bench minor. However, I don't see how it could be enforced, because there's no way (other than a zone defense, which is what the 1-3-1 is) to effectively play a penalty kill. What, are we now going to see penalty shots become the new "free throws"?

FreshFish
11-18-2011, 10:27 AM
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Also thank you to FF for your words (although... I think a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is in order for some of that

To digress from hockey for one more moment.....subtlety and nuance are not your strong suit.

Not a criticism merely an observation, no doubt you yourself might agree.

Now back to hockey.