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ibanezist00
11-16-2011, 09:00 AM
Who in their right mind, in either the coaching staff or on the team itself, thinks that running the same "play the puck along the boards then dump it after the neutral zone trap works on you" offensive play is a good idea?

When your own fans can predict exactly what you're going to do, you can bet the world that the coaching staff of the opposing team can as well, and will work to exploit that.

What a disaster, that was extremely frustrating, added with the fact that the Union fans were acting like Union fans, i.e. celebrating a trickling empty netter like it was a championship goal in OT.

Ralph Baer
11-16-2011, 09:04 AM
What a disaster, that was extremely frustrating, added with the fact that the Union fans were acting like Union fans, i.e. celebrating a trickling empty netter like it was a championship goal in OT. Those must be the children or grandchildren of the Union fans who attempted to tear down RPI's goalposts in the late 1960s when they beat an RPI football team that hadn't won in years. RPI's goalposts were in the gound in a manner that they could not come down. :D The exact details are now quite foggy in my mind, but I do recall that it was quite comical.

AspyDad
11-16-2011, 09:36 AM
Curse of the tan suit continues.

Red Cloud
11-16-2011, 09:39 AM
Not incoherent but ironic, since you were the subject of my last post!

You are impressively useless.

johnk
11-16-2011, 09:45 AM
Well 5 ECAC games without an even strength goal. I struggle as I watch to figure out if its more a talent gap or system/motivation issue. Is Union that much faster or did they just want it more. The special teams play last night was extremely one sided as far as puck control and any organization of a power play. I feel the only way they are going to get out of this funk is to start hitting everything in sight, early and often. Tinordi, Lee, Rabbani, Bergin and Haggerty need to set the tone. Doubt I will see this team again until January. If they can't get up for a game as important as last night, I doubt I'm going to make an effort to go to Placid or UConn in December.

Edit: If a decision is made in the next few weeks that RPI will be joining Hockey East in 2013 I will quickly get over the depression from the start of this season and rethink my cancellations of these road trips.

Red Cloud
11-16-2011, 10:01 AM
Well 5 ECAC games without an even strength goal. I struggle as I watch to figure out if its more a talent gap or system/motivation issue. Is Union that much faster or did they just want it more. The special teams play last night was extremely one sided as far as puck control and any organization of a power play. I feel the only way they are going to get out of this funk is to start hitting everything in sight, early and often. Tinordi, Lee, Rabbani, Bergin and Haggerty need to set the tone. Doubt I will see this team again until January. If they can't get up for a game as important as last night, I doubt I'm going to make an effort to go to Placid or UConn in December.

Edit: If a decision is made in the next few weeks that RPI will be joining Hockey East in 2013 I will quickly get over the depression from the start of this season and rethink my cancellations of these road trips.

+1. Good analysis, John.

FlagDUDE08
11-16-2011, 10:02 AM
Win, lose, or tie, I'll still go to Colgate/Cornell. They're the easiest trips. I was thinking about going to Princeton (I've never been there), but am starting to reconsider. And this is after traveling to Troy every other weekend for games (15-16 gallons, so close to $50 on gas alone at the time, it's more expensive now) last year.

ibanezist00
11-16-2011, 10:02 AM
Well 5 ECAC games without an even strength goal. I struggle as I watch to figure out if its more a talent gap or system/motivation issue. Is Union that much faster or did they just want it more.
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Edit: If a decision is made in the next few weeks that RPI will be joining Hockey East in 2013 I will quickly get over the depression from the start of this season and rethink my cancellations of these road trips.

Quick and dirty answers: both, and both.

If you don't mind me asking, why would RPI moving to Hockey East motivate you to see some road games that you weren't planning on attending because they're not playing well right now?

FlagDUDE08
11-16-2011, 10:07 AM
Quick and dirty answers: both, and both.

If you don't mind me asking, why would RPI moving to Hockey East motivate you to see some road games that you weren't planning on attending because they're not playing well right now?

Probably the same reason I am looking to go to Princeton and Dartmouth soon: The poster has not been to certain locations.

hockeymascot
11-16-2011, 10:09 AM
You are impressively useless.

Coming from every one of you, I'll consider that as a compliment!;)

johnk
11-16-2011, 10:14 AM
Quick and dirty answers: both, and both.

If you don't mind me asking, why would RPI moving to Hockey East motivate you to see some road games that you weren't planning on attending because they're not playing well right now?


Would put some excitement (in my mind) into this program. Right now I'm having trouble seeing any bright side.

Red Cloud
11-16-2011, 10:19 AM
Coming from every one of you, I'll consider that as a compliment!;)

Goodbye, worthless poster.

Beman
11-16-2011, 10:47 AM
In his post game interview, SA keeps saying that "Union's older guys outplayed our older guys!" Well, I guess more older guys are needed!

Yet it was Union's younger guys that did the damage on the scoreboard!??

Seth says a lot of things

Senna
11-16-2011, 12:26 PM
Seth says a lot of things

I dont know what you mean by this....

I was not at th.e game last night as flying to LA, but my son who goes to RPI was texting, and I checked the game thread and this one after I got checked in. I also watched the interview, and even forwarded to my youngest who plays. It's great to have skills and talent, but you win with attitude, desire, intensity, commitment, and effort. Same as in life. I am in violent agreement with much of what has been posted recently. What I am not is giving up on this team or season, and the tone of the posts has seemed to go in that direction a bit. Look, was the effort there last night ? Apparently not. Right now though is the time that we all need to stick together and come out of this by fighting, and honestly I think that the team need to hear and see that we are ready to climb over the boards and go to war with them if that's what it takes. It's difficult to work harder when things are not going well and keep the faith. Lack of effort is inexcusable given the results of this season. Say whatever you want about Union, I have been impressed with them the past few years precisely because of their level of compete. It's why they finished where they did last year. Yale has it too. It's our turn. I thought we were there the other day with Haggerty's goal because there was anger in that shot. The team and system is supposed to be built on being fast and up tempo, yet we look to relaxed and complacent at times. I was these guys to want to mad dog, wolf pack on teams. We have the speed and skill. Now it's effort. Let's stay the course with the boys. We don't want them quitting on us or themselves, so let's not quit on them.

Red Cloud
11-16-2011, 12:36 PM
I dont know what you mean by this....

He doesn't mean anything.


I was not at th.e game last night as flying to LA, but my son who goes to RPI was texting, and I checked the game thread and this one after I got checked in. I also watched the interview, and even forwarded to my youngest who plays. It's great to have skills and talent, but you win with attitude, desire, intensity, commitment, and effort. Same as in life. I am in violent agreement with much of what has been posted recently. What I am not is giving up on this team or season, and the tone of the posts has seemed to go in that direction a bit. Look, was the effort there last night ? Apparently not. Right now though is the time that we all need to stick together and come out of this by fighting, and honestly I think that the team need to hear and see that we are ready to climb over the boards and go to war with them if that's what it takes. It's difficult to work harder when things are not going well and keep the faith. Lack of effort is inexcusable given the results of this season. Say whatever you want about Union, I have been impressed with them the past few years precisely because of their level of compete. It's why they finished where they did last year. Yale has it too. It's our turn. I thought we were there the other day with Haggerty's goal because there was anger in that shot. The team and system is supposed to be built on being fast and up tempo, yet we look to relaxed and complacent at times. I was these guys to want to mad dog, wolf pack on teams. We have the speed and skill. Now it's effort. Let's stay the course with the boys. We don't want them quitting on us or themselves, so let's not quit on them.

Spot on with all of this. Union may be a lot of things but when they play us, at least, they want it.

Wholin1
11-16-2011, 12:58 PM
Boo hoo.Wrong, Boo Boo

FlagDUDE08
11-16-2011, 01:16 PM
I dont know what you mean by this....

I was not at th.e game last night as flying to LA, but my son who goes to RPI was texting, and I checked the game thread and this one after I got checked in. I also watched the interview, and even forwarded to my youngest who plays. It's great to have skills and talent, but you win with attitude, desire, intensity, commitment, and effort. Same as in life. I am in violent agreement with much of what has been posted recently. What I am not is giving up on this team or season, and the tone of the posts has seemed to go in that direction a bit. Look, was the effort there last night ? Apparently not. Right now though is the time that we all need to stick together and come out of this by fighting, and honestly I think that the team need to hear and see that we are ready to climb over the boards and go to war with them if that's what it takes. It's difficult to work harder when things are not going well and keep the faith. Lack of effort is inexcusable given the results of this season. Say whatever you want about Union, I have been impressed with them the past few years precisely because of their level of compete. It's why they finished where they did last year. Yale has it too. It's our turn. I thought we were there the other day with Haggerty's goal because there was anger in that shot. The team and system is supposed to be built on being fast and up tempo, yet we look to relaxed and complacent at times. I was these guys to want to mad dog, wolf pack on teams. We have the speed and skill. Now it's effort. Let's stay the course with the boys. We don't want them quitting on us or themselves, so let's not quit on them.

Well put. One thing that I believe, though, is that the amount of effort placed should be reciprocated. Taking your chances and the puck just doesn't go in the net? That's going to happen. Giving, based upon the testimonies I have heard both on the radio and on the internet, a half-assed effort does not make people want to watch you. Last year, I was happy to pay $80 every other week to watch a tournament-bound team play live. If they aren't going to play like they want it, why should I travel 3 hours each way to watch them play when I can just listen to it on the radio or watch one of the other teams I follow?

I'm not going to give up on the team. My tag to the left of this post, as well as my desktop wallpaper, will stay as they are. However, the effort I input will depend upon the effort they input.

Senna
11-16-2011, 01:38 PM
Well put. One thing that I believe, though, is that the amount of effort placed should be reciprocated. Taking your chances and the puck just doesn't go in the net? That's going to happen. Giving, based upon the testimonies I have heard both on the radio and on the internet, a half-assed effort does not make people want to watch you. Last year, I was happy to pay $80 every other week to watch a tournament-bound team play live. If they aren't going to play like they want it, why should I travel 3 hours each way to watch them play when I can just listen to it on the radio or watch one of the other teams I follow?

I'm not going to give up on the team. My tag to the left of this post, as well as my desktop wallpaper, will stay as they are. However, the effort I input will depend upon the effort they input.

My only point is to not ask for something from them that we wouldn't be willing to do ourselves. It's so easy to quit when things are not going your way. I for one believe that the team can sense how their fans feel, and if we are disinterested, then they may be too. Remember, they are college kids, extraordinary as they are. Let me put this way - even after losses, I have stayed with my boys and the players come out and engage them because it's important for the fans and the kids. What if we now abandon them ? I personally think that would be **** poor. To the extent possible, we will be there and afterwards for every game from now on. We are all in this together. Divided we all lose.

GRussinko
11-16-2011, 01:46 PM
My only point is to not ask for something from them that we wouldn't be willing to do ourselves. It's so easy to quit when things are not going your way. I for one believe that the team can sense how their fans feel, and if we are disinterested, then they may be too. Remember, they are college kids, extraordinary as they are. Let me put this way - even after losses, I have stayed with my boys and the players come out and engage them because it's important for the fans and the kids. What if we now abandon them ? I personally think that would be **** poor. To the extent possible, we will be there and afterwards for every game from now on. We are all in this together. Divided we all lose.

This x 1,000,000. Do we think the team isn't already ****ed off enough about how they're playing, only to hear "Well I will leave my tag on a message board and my computer background the same, but THERE I DRAW THE LINE." I was pleased with the crowd at the Brown game sticking with it and supporting the team despite the long scoring drought, and in the first several minutes of the Union game, but as soon as Union scored to tie it the energy left the building entirely. One goal against and the crowd had already decided the game was over. Say what you will, but that has to have some effect on the guys on the ice.

AspyDad
11-16-2011, 01:49 PM
Well 5 ECAC games without an even strength goal. I struggle as I watch to figure out if its more a talent gap or system/motivation issue. Is Union that much faster or did they just want it more. The special teams play last night was extremely one sided as far as puck control and any organization of a power play. I feel the only way they are going to get out of this funk is to start hitting everything in sight, early and often. Tinordi, Lee, Rabbani, Bergin and Haggerty need to set the tone. Doubt I will see this team again until January. If they can't get up for a game as important as last night, I doubt I'm going to make an effort to go to Placid or UConn in December.

Edit: If a decision is made in the next few weeks that RPI will be joining Hockey East in 2013 I will quickly get over the depression from the start of this season and rethink my cancellations of these road trips.

Well said. Hockey East is the ultimate goal. Every time we have took a pass on HE the program has gone downhill. I was also surprised at how flat they were last night. I think a big contingent is going to Storrs for the game so I hope you can make it.