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Fighting Sioux 23
10-13-2011, 09:01 AM
As some of you may or may not know, I had developed a formula to rank teams from an individual season, and applied it to all of the national champions from the NCAA era, along with several great teams that came up just short of winning it all. There was a thread, but after minimal research, I could not find it. Anyway, in my old list I had separated the teams in different eras. I have since come up with a tweak that puts older teams on a more level playing field with new teams. Applying that tweak, and incorporating all of the NCAA title winning teams AND the great, but never ncaa title winning teams from the NCAA Tournament era (1947-present). I will be releasing this list on College Hockey Weekly's website, with #25 being published at some point today. I thought I would post a thread here for discussion, and fun reminiscing about great teams from years past. Also, when #25 is up and running, I'll place the direct link here, as I'm not sure exactly where they'll put this particular portion on the website.

Thanks, and enjoy...

Ralph Baer
10-13-2011, 09:09 AM
As some of you may or may not know, I had developed a formula to rank teams from an individual season, and applied it to all of the national champions from the NCAA era, along with several great teams that came up just short of winning it all. There was a thread, but after minimal research, I could not find it. Anyway, in my old list I had separated the teams in different eras. I have since come up with a tweak that puts older teams on a more level playing field with new teams. Applying that tweak, and incorporating all of the NCAA title winning teams AND the great, but never ncaa title winning teams from the NCAA Tournament era (1947-present). I will be releasing this list on College Hockey Weekly's website, with #25 being published at some point today. I thought I would post a thread here for discussion, and fun reminiscing about great teams from years past. Also, when #25 is up and running, I'll place the direct link here, as I'm not sure exactly where they'll put this particular portion on the website.

Thanks, and enjoy...

All threads older than two years went poof a while back.

Fighting Sioux 23
10-13-2011, 09:10 AM
All threads older than two years went poof a while back.

That would explain it then. Fortunately, I still have all my information :p:D:D

Dmann
10-13-2011, 09:29 AM
As some of you may or may not know, I had developed a formula to rank teams from an individual season, and applied it to all of the national champions from the NCAA era, along with several great teams that came up just short of winning it all. There was a thread, but after minimal research, I could not find it. Anyway, in my old list I had separated the teams in different eras. I have since come up with a tweak that puts older teams on a more level playing field with new teams. Applying that tweak, and incorporating all of the NCAA title winning teams AND the great, but never ncaa title winning teams from the NCAA Tournament era (1947-present). I will be releasing this list on College Hockey Weekly's website, with #25 being published at some point today. I thought I would post a thread here for discussion, and fun reminiscing about great teams from years past. Also, when #25 is up and running, I'll place the direct link here, as I'm not sure exactly where they'll put this particular portion on the website.

Thanks, and enjoy...

Sound great!! I have so enjoyed these rankings in the past!! I expect Denver to be way up there baby!! :cool:

Fighting Sioux 23
10-13-2011, 09:55 AM
Sound great!! I have so enjoyed these rankings in the past!! I expect Denver to be way up there baby!! :cool:

I hope you enjoy it. Denver has certainly had some great teams. The goal will be to do anywhere from 1-3 per week. I've sent everything in for #25, so I'll post the link here when it gets put up.

Fighting Sioux 23
10-13-2011, 10:15 AM
alright, looks like it is up and running...

http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/Greatest-Teams.html

That's the main page, accessible through the Archives page. Scroll down the page to see the #25 team, and click on the team to see the write up.

du78
10-13-2011, 10:34 AM
FS23 - Some great stuff!

Fighting Sioux 23
10-13-2011, 10:38 AM
FS23 - Some great stuff!

Thank you. It has been a fun project to work on.

SanTropez
10-13-2011, 10:39 AM
Love it FS23, always fun to read about some of the great teams in College Hockey.

SkinsFan09
10-13-2011, 10:42 AM
I can probably guess who #1 will be.

Fighting Sioux 23
10-13-2011, 10:49 AM
Love it FS23, always fun to read about some of the great teams in College Hockey.

Yeah, it's a lot of fun doing the research and finding out crazy things that happened from some of the games. For example, in the first title game ever in '48, Michigan was playing Dartmouth. Towards the end of the 2nd period, with Dartmouth up 4-3, Michigan thought they scored the tying goal. It was waived off by the officials, and the period ended with Dartmouth winning 4-3. However, the officials discussed the play over the intermission, and when the Indians (Dartmouth was called the Indians up until the late 60's or early 70's I believe) took the ice in the third, they realized the game was now tied. The officials decided to count the goal in between periods, and it threw Dartmouth off their game, and Michigan scored four times in the third and won the first title 8-4. I can't imagine what people would do if something like that happened now.

Also, it was around this same time that the NFL was debating about taking away the extra point after a touchdown to combat gambling issues and point fixing, and adding Overtime to decide tied games. Overtime was adopted, but they kept the extra point.

Dmann
10-13-2011, 10:51 AM
I can probably guess who #1 will be.

It's got to be Maine, 1992-93

42-1-1, I think.

Fighting Sioux 23
10-13-2011, 10:54 AM
It's got to be Maine, 1992-93

42-1-1, I think.

42-1-2

There are 10 teams in the top 25 that lost 2 or fewer games. We'll see what happens! :p:D:D

gopher wes
10-13-2011, 10:58 AM
Love the topic! Will be fun to see how you unfold the rest of the list:)

LynahFan
10-13-2011, 11:29 AM
It's got to be Maine, 1992-93
I can't recall for sure whether they were on top when the first list came out (so I get to be surprised again!), but c'mon - they only won 93% of their games. If they were on top before, hopefully FS23's "tweak that puts older teams on a more level playing field with new teams" will result in the rightful #1 being crowned.

:)

SkinsFan09
10-13-2011, 11:55 AM
42-1-2

There are 10 teams in the top 25 that lost 2 or fewer games. We'll see what happens! :p:D:D

But only one had a player put up 100 points in 39 games.

LynahFan
10-13-2011, 12:15 PM
But only one had a player put up 100 points in 39 games.
But did they have a *defenseman* who was over 2 pts/game?

FreshFish
10-13-2011, 12:39 PM
But only one had a player put up 100 points in 39 games.

and only one team averaged 8.4 goals per game over an entire season, blah blah blah....

I have a hunch that a team that went undefeated and won the National Championship would be hard to dethrone however....

to FS23: Have you already published your methodology / formula components somewhere for how you compiled your list? I would be curious to see it...if you don't mind....

Fighting Sioux 23
10-13-2011, 12:55 PM
to FS23: Have you already published your methodology / formula components somewhere for how you compiled your list? I would be curious to see it...if you don't mind....

I don't remember if I published it in the old thread, but basically the methodology was to build a formula that accurately reflected how strong a team was, both nationally and in conference. Basically, conference accolades (Regular Season Championship, Tournament Championship, All-Conference members, etc.) built conference points, and then conference points were compared with how strong the conference was. Then, national accolades (NCAA Tournament performance, Out of Conference Play, All-American members, etc.) built national points, which stood on their own. Those two sections were added together to come up with total points.

I have tweaked that formula to put older teams on a more level playing field with teams of the past 25-30 years. The reason was since today we have more players on All-American teams, more NCAA Tournament games, and more out-of-conference games (and more games in general, among others), it was not fair to compare say the 2008-2009 BU squad against the 1955-1956 Michigan squad without tweaking the formula slightly. I believe my previous formula would have given that BU squad almost triple the points of that Michigan team.

Ultimately, I have a list of about 250 teams that I have compiled the data for, so I decided that top-25 would be a lot of fun, spark a lot of discussion, and hopefully allow some reminiscing about these historic teams.

Also, I'll point out that this is just based off a formula. If one team is ahead of another by less than .001% doesn't mean that the team ahead is better. What that probably means, is that if those two teams played 50 times, they'd probably each win 25 (or tie all 50 :p:D:D). All of these teams were great, and should be recognized as such. That is what I wanted to do with this idea, and I'm glad College Hockey Weekly allowed me to contribute in this way to their site.

FreshFish
10-13-2011, 01:28 PM
Also, I'll point out that this is just based off a formula. If one team is ahead of another by less than .001% doesn't mean that the team ahead is better. What that probably means, is that if those two teams played 50 times, they'd probably each win 25 (or tie all 50 :p:D:D). All of these teams were great, and should be recognized as such. That is what I wanted to do with this idea, and I'm glad College Hockey Weekly allowed me to contribute in this way to their site.

Thanks for the explanation!

I suppose you are constrained by the format to list teams in order...too bad you can't go 1, 2, 3, 4,4,4,4,8,8,10,11,12,12,12,15 etc. to address those situations in which the differences are so small.

I notice that Moneyball and Soccernomics thinking is starting to make its way into pro hockey now, too. [oops, can't find link....]