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LynahScott
02-18-2012, 09:59 PM
two goals by Cornell player with a player clearly in the crease including the game winner,

You do realize that's it's perfectly legal for a player to be in the crease when scoring a goal, so long as the goaltender isn't interfered with, right?

Funny how there's hardly a peep out of you and no talk of "disgraces" and "shining embarrassment" when the refs help SLU win a game. Or does that never happen?

It was a fun back-and-forth game and both teams played hard...there's no need to denigrate either team's effort by whining about the refs, like you do after every single SLU loss, without fail.

nhmonarch
02-18-2012, 10:25 PM
the officiating in the ECAC is terrible! Bad calls and worse, no leadership - very timid and the games gets out of control. It is too bad for the players and coaches - regardless of who you root for

LynahFan
02-18-2012, 10:37 PM
the officiating in the ECAC is terrible! Bad calls and worse, no leadership - very timid and the games gets out of control. It is too bad for the players and coaches - regardless of who you root forHow exactly did the game get out of control? It's not like there were fights, excessive chipiness, nor even excessive chirping down the stretch. I watched the game on SLU webcast and didn't see an out of control game - not even close.


And how exactly did the Cornell player convince the refs to review the goal and call it a no goal. Only way that happens is if it is kicked in which it clearly was not.
Really? Kicked in is the only reason you can think of why a goal might be waved off even though the puck crosses the line? Off the top of my head, I can think of 8 others: crease violation, goaltender interference, hand pass, puck batted in, high stick, too many men on the ice, offsides, whistle blown. That's without even really trying - I'm sure there are more.

You guys need to stop listening to the drivel your announcers spew and watch the game.

40-Year Big Red Fan
02-18-2012, 11:04 PM
We had three freshmen on top two lines at Lynah in November and almost came out of there with a win. I'm penciling in 2 pts vs a tough - though I think somewhat over rated - Cornell team.
Colgate is bigger challenge. You know they are going to score and I think I read they have more seniors than any other team in the league. Hopefully we pot one early and get them on their heels.
Go Saints. BELIEVE!

It's great to believe in your team, but predictions will make you look silly half the time in this league. Hope for great things, but don't expect them and certainly don't provide incentive for your opponents by belittling them. Good luck against hated Harvard next weekend.

W-force
02-19-2012, 07:30 AM
It's great to believe in your team, but predictions will make you look silly half the time in this league. Hope for great things, but don't expect them and certainly don't provide incentive for your opponents by belittling them. Good luck against hated Harvard next weekend.

Oh wise Cornell fan, thank you for your counsel and your support for our team in it's upcoming match against Harvard. Knowing now that my post was a factor in the outcome of last night's game causes me much pain.
If you spend this much effort attempting to straighten me out, I can only imagine the witch hunt you must go on when someone that matters - columnist, announcer, analyst - makes a simple prediction or, perish the thought, speaks negatively of your overrated, referee-assisted, annoying team.

40-Year Big Red Fan
02-19-2012, 09:13 AM
Oh wise Cornell fan, thank you for your counsel and your support for our team in it's upcoming match against Harvard. Knowing now that my post was a factor in the outcome of last night's game causes me much pain.
If you spend this much effort attempting to straighten me out, I can only imagine the witch hunt you must go on when someone that matters - columnist, announcer, analyst - makes a simple prediction or, perish the thought, speaks negatively of your overrated, referee-assisted, annoying team.

Since you value my wise counsel so much :rolleyes:, I'll offer one more piece of sage advice: those who don't know that you are the voice of objectivity and the fount of all knowledge, might consider using terms such as "overrated, referee-assisted, [&] annoying" about a team that has just defeated your team as reeking of "sour grapes." Chill out, it's only a game.

P.S. You are correct that on subjects that really matter, sports not being one of them, you REALLY don't want to go up against me.

Got 6, Want More
02-19-2012, 09:49 AM
You do realize that's it's perfectly legal for a player to be in the crease when scoring a goal, so long as the goaltender isn't interfered with, right?

Funny how there's hardly a peep out of you and no talk of "disgraces" and "shining embarrassment" when the refs help SLU win a game. Or does that never happen?

It was a fun back-and-forth game and both teams played hard...there's no need to denigrate either team's effort by whining about the refs, like you do after every single SLU loss, without fail.

It is perfectly legal for players to skate through the crease, not part their butts in there and on Jillson's goal the Cornell player just knocked the SLU goalie on his butt as the shot was taken. Take a look at the tape.

Funny how your coach is the one most recently suspended for abuse of officials. Even more funny that it doesn't matter if the puck went in off of Wick's ear as long as it was not directed in.

There is a different between playing hard and regularly going after the head. Mowry and Craig both had several blatant elbows to the head. One left the best player on the ice for either team dazed and the second left a promising rookie on the ice. Beyond that the Cornell style of play is rivaled only by Brown in terms of its flat out boringness.

There is a difference between not making the right call every time and missing some key calls which happens virtually every game in the ECAC and not protecting the players and not having the guts to make the correct calls.

Finally, if you want to read back a bit further in this thread, read everyone's comments about the SLU-QPAC game a week earlier. That was an utterly disgraceful officiating job that we won game. We had to go 10-10 on the PK and the refs didn't call multiple stick and checking infractions on Q-Pac but called everything on SLU because SLU had a lead.

Some of your fellow Cornell fans come into this thread and flame about our fans having confidence against a Cornell team that had not won at Appleton in six years straight. I believe SLU would have won that game if it had been called even half way as to what happened on the ice. Even the hit at the end of the second by Gotovets or Mowery slashing and cross-checking on every faceoff. Those should have been penalties not warnings. He had been warned earlier and then warned again at the start of the third. Gotovets was a hit after the whistle plain and simple. Perhaps, you missed Wenninger protesting about being interfered with on the Jillson goal which he never does but should have done on this occasion because it was a classic case of GT interference.

Bottomline, for much of this season Kyle Flanagan was leading the league in PPG. He is a premier player and this league is not interested in protecting players when plane is day a player takes five steps and puts the elbow into the kids head. Watch the tape on B2TV and tell me if you are an honest person or living life with Cornellian Red glasses.

Harp 34
02-19-2012, 09:50 AM
Fun game to watch despite the loss. The team played hard the whole game and losing a tight one in ot to #12 is nothing to be ashamed of. I like the team's level of play since the albany trip and think they will be a tough matchup for any team come playoffs.

Got 6, Want More
02-19-2012, 10:01 AM
Lynahfan, when you see some of your key players missing half the season or your captain the previous season missing almost all of it with post concussion syndrome and check in with those same alums in 25 years at the nursing home as they are dreweling on their clothes with parkinsons disease, see how you feel about calling penalties when there is actually contact to the head? I could give two plops about all the ticky-tacky stuff that gets called or doesn't get called, but when you see several blatant elbows and contact to the head infractions not called it is a serious problem.

As for our announcers...yes, a bit over the top but they are there and you are not and they watch what happens to SLU game in and game out. The SLU coaches don't work the refs the way Schafer does and it is to their detriment that they don't. The Q-Pac game was a **** show. Chirping, whacking, cheap stuff all over the ice by Q-Pac and none of it called. They had 10 PP's.

As for that goal, and it was a goal, that was about the only thing in that circumstance. If it was a hand pass, GT Interference, too many men, offsides those are calls that would have been made before they called it a goal on the ice. There has to be conclusive evidence to overturn the call on the ice. Doesn't sound like it to me. They weren't going to review it until Cornell complained and then they said "they think it went off a fore-arm" where it may or may not have been redirected. Are you actually ready to argue that a player didn't run into Wenninger as Jillson shot? If so, there is no point in discussing with you because you are flat out wrong.

Marmot
02-19-2012, 10:06 AM
I think the one thing that will get consensus from every school's message board is that ECAC officials range between mediocre and horrific.

Got 6, Want More
02-19-2012, 10:10 AM
It's great to believe in your team, but predictions will make you look silly half the time in this league. Hope for great things, but don't expect them and certainly don't provide incentive for your opponents by belittling them. Good luck against hated Harvard next weekend.

I don't make predictions but you should zip it and move on. It is not a crazy bet considering that it was a 1-0 loss at Cornell with our best D-Man and Best Forward out and the simple fact that Cornell had not won at Appleton in six years. You got a gift from the refs last night. Take it and go bore the crap out of the Lynah faithful with your clutch and grab snoozefest next weekend.

SLU has played great the last six games and although last night wasn't their best of those six, they were in it and I think would have prevailed if not for gutless, incompetent officiating.

Osorojo
02-19-2012, 10:12 AM
Does bad refereeing cause St. Lawrence to lose to other teams or just to Cornell? Saint Lawrence has a worse record at home than away so far this year. Might be because of bad refs. In your opinion has St. Lawrence ever won a home game because of bad calls? Maybe refs are prejudiced against Canton.

Got 6, Want More
02-19-2012, 10:14 AM
God...what an arrogant load.

If not for crappy refs he would have been right.

I'll be happy to go up against you in anything you choose. Your post indicates obvious insecurities that would be fun to exploit.

sshablak
02-19-2012, 10:31 AM
OK, I was biting my lip and trying to stay out of this, but I bit all the way thru my lip !

Smith is a "cherry picker", what a joke, and this is based on watching one game?? What a absolutely ridiculous, bordering on "moronic" statement. Be honest, how many games did you watch him play this year ? Some games he just dominated "both" ends of the ice. Ask other teams what they think of him, good lord. He leads the league in "plus minus" and 50% more goals than his nearest competitor. (33)
You want him to play goalie also ?

GOT6 is GOT6....SLU always gets screwed by the refs !! For fifteen or twenty years now poor SLU loses games due to officiating, nobody else in the league ever gets screwed by the refs. Too funny, but GOT6 at least you're consistant, and that's all I ask for. Still smiling.

I like SLU, Marsh(he's great) and you posters but geeshhh !!! Hey, maybe we play each other at Starr in the playoffs !

LynahFan
02-19-2012, 10:33 AM
Lynahfan, when you see some of your key players missing half the season or your captain the previous season missing almost all of it with post concussion syndrome and check in with those same alums in 25 years at the nursing home as they are dreweling on their clothes with parkinsons disease, see how you feel about calling penalties when there is actually contact to the head? I could give two plops about all the ticky-tacky stuff that gets called or doesn't get called, but when you see several blatant elbows and contact to the head infractions not called it is a serious problem.

As for our announcers...yes, a bit over the top but they are there and you are not and they watch what happens to SLU game in and game out. The SLU coaches don't work the refs the way Schafer does and it is to their detriment that they don't. The Q-Pac game was a **** show. Chirping, whacking, cheap stuff all over the ice by Q-Pac and none of it called. They had 10 PP's.


Do you honestly believe that what happens at SLU games is really so different from what happens in every other game in the country? That all the other teams have a vast conspiracy against SLU for some unknown reason? They have good medication for that these days, you know.


As for that goal, and it was a goal, that was about the only thing in that circumstance. If it was a hand pass, GT Interference, too many men, offsides those are calls that would have been made before they called it a goal on the ice. There has to be conclusive evidence to overturn the call on the ice. Doesn't sound like it to me. They weren't going to review it until Cornell complained and then they said "they think it went off a fore-arm" where it may or may not have been redirected.
Where did you see that quote, and was that a quote from the ref himself, or from someone affiliated with SLU hockey (coach, player)? I can easily see a situation where a ref says, "it was definitively directed in by a fore arm," and in the post-game interview Coach Schafer says, "they think it went off a fore-arm." Do you really believe that the ref's official explanation was that they "think" it happened? Just as your announcers are in the arena and I am not, and just as you say we would need to review the tape (not available yet, BTW) on some of Cornell's hits, YOU did not see all of the video angles and slow motion reviewed by the replay official, yet you flail around like you definitively know exactly what happened. Call it both ways, Got6.


Are you actually ready to argue that a player didn't run into Wenninger as Jillson shot? If so, there is no point in discussing with you because you are flat out wrong.
I did not see it at the time, but I'm willing to reserve judgement until I see the replay.

Got 6, Want More
02-19-2012, 10:34 AM
Since you ask, bad officiating cost us to lost a National Championship game and even Tom Mees of ESPN was joking about how bad the refs blew it. Yes, refs have cost this team wins at home, and on the road and in some cases SLU prevailed in spite of bad officiating. But last night they had a material impact on a game that was decided in OT. The disallowed a goal that probably should have counted and allowed a cornell goal that probably should not have counted and should have been a penalty and just between the elbow to Flanagan's head near the Cornell bench and the two elbows to the head by Craig behind the SLU net and in front of the SLU bench and the lack of a call on Essery breaking in alone with under two minutes, considering the SLU PP has been about 20% of late, I guess we will never know. But that tape should end up with Stewart because that was pretty bad. I have seen worse this year in terms of biased officiating, but that is the worst I have seen in terms of not protecting players and ignoring CTH infractions.

If you look at the box scores for the last six games, it is pretty one-sided. The irony of that is I know first hand how much SLU players are preached to about playing clean and staying out of the box. That is put into practice. Sean Logue took a 5 minute major at Brown three weeks ago and Brown pumped in 3 goals on that PP. Logue has not been in the lineup again. Earlier this season, Gunnar Hughes got a major for hitting from behind, and he sat. Wick got called for a major last night but the tape showed that was just a bad call and it was a clean hit given within the rules and the ref made the wrong call. In those circumstances, I would not expect them to punish the player.

There is only one reason I don't like college hockey and it is bad officiating. In pro hockey, a ref makes a bad call and players can still protect themselves and each other by fighting. It is insulting. The officiating in the USHL, OHL or even OPJHL is better than the ECAC. The ECAC has real issues with its officiating. The turnover in the officials office is deserved but doesn't seem to help.

sshablak
02-19-2012, 10:44 AM
You're preaching to the choir, GOT6, but we "All" play by the same rules, with the "same" officials.

LynahFan
02-19-2012, 10:46 AM
If you look at the box scores for the last six games, it is pretty one-sided. The irony of that is I know first hand how much SLU players are preached to about playing clean and staying out of the box. That is put into practice. Sean Logue took a 5 minute major at Brown three weeks ago and Brown pumped in 3 goals on that PP. Logue has not been in the lineup again. Earlier this season, Gunnar Hughes got a major for hitting from behind, and he sat. Wick got called for a major last night but the tape showed that was just a bad call and it was a clean hit given within the rules and the ref made the wrong call. In those circumstances, I would not expect them to punish the player.
So your evidence for how cleanly SLU plays is to point out the majors they've been committing? LOL.

Look at the stats - the majority of teams get between 12 and 15 minutes per game, with only a few egregious outliers (e.g. Clarkson). SLU is right in the middle of that mix at 14 minutes per game, so your coaches are no more effective at convincing your guys to play cleanly than other typical teams.

LynahScott
02-19-2012, 10:53 AM
SLU is right in the middle of that mix at 14 minutes per game, so your coaches are no more effective at convincing your guys to play cleanly than other typical teams.

But according to Got6, 90% of the calls against SLU are bull**** and the result of biased officiating, so the "true" rate of PIMs that SLU's angels "intended" to commit would be much lower.

sshablak
02-19-2012, 10:54 AM
Lol