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cetihcra
08-24-2011, 11:57 PM
All the unsolved and completely off-base urinary competitions in recent threads urged me to compile NHL demographic information, draw your own conclusions. I have more data if people request it, such as where all the Minnesota players went (since only 13.5 of the 42 went to the U).


NHL Player Demographics – 2010/2011 Season
Total Players:
978 players participated in at least 1 game

Totals by Dev Path:
525.5 via the CHL – 53.7%
289.5 via the NCAA – 29.6%
163 via Europe/Asia – 16.7%
*half a player = NCAA-to-CHL defection

Total Players (Adjusted for games played….GP/82):
571.78 “adjusted” players

By Dev. Path:
309.92 CHL – 54.2%
154.37 NCAA – 27.0%
107.49 Euro – 18.8%
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Where the NHL players come from - birthplace:
Canada – 520 (53.2%)
(Ont–205, Alta–91, PQ–66, BC–56, Sask–48, Man–33, NS–8, Nfld–7, PEI–4, NB–2)
USA – 231 (23.6%)
(MN–42, MI–38, NY–36, MA–19, IL–13, PA–13, WI–10, CT–9, CA–8, AK–7, CO/MO/NJ–4, NH/NC-3, IN/MD/ND/OH/UT/WA-2, DE/FL/IA/NE/RI/TX-1)
Sweden – 62 (6.3%)
Czech – 42 (4.3%)
Finland – 30 (3.1%)
Russia – 30 (3.1%)
Slovakia – 14 (1.4%)
Germany – 11 (1.1%)
Denmark – 6 (0.6%)
Switzerland – 5 (0.5%)
Latvia – 4 (0.4%)
Ukraine – 4 (0.4%)
Austria – 3 (0.3%)
Belarus – 3 (0.3%)
Kazakhstan – 2 (0.2%)
Norway – 2 (0.2%)
Slovenia – 2 (0.2%)
Brazil – 1 (0.1%)
Brunei – 1 (0.1%)
France – 1 (0.1%)
Italy – 1 (0.1%)
Japan – 1 (0.1%)
Lithuania – 1 (0.1%)
Poland – 1 (0.1%)
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NCAA players in the NHL
# of Players from each represented school (Adjusted for GP):
Michigan – 23.5 (13.98 Adj.)
Wisconsin – 20 (13.95)
BC – 16.5 (10.16)
North Dakota – 16 (8.10)
BU – 16 (7.27)
Minnesota – 13.5 (9.01)
MSU – 13.5 (8.70)
CC – 11 (3.32)
OSU – 10 (4.52)
Clarkson – 9 (5.55)
Denver – 8 (3.66)
Notre Dame – 7.5 (1.93)
UMD – 7 (3.41)
Cornell – 7 (3.05)
Maine – 7 (3.05)
SCSU – 6 (3.50)
Dartmouth – 6 (3.48)
UNH – 6 (2.67)
Vermont – 5 (4.34)
Miami – 5 (3.71)
Princeton – 5 (3.57)
Michigan Tech – 5 (2.77)
Providence – 5 (2.63)
WMU – 4 (3.71)
MSU-Mankato – 4 (2.79)
Harvard – 4 (2.27)
Colgate – 4 (1.99)
UNO – 4 (1.89)
UMass – 4 (1.62)
NMU – 4 (1.37)
SLU – 4 (1.10)
UAF – 4 (0.66)
UMass-Lowell – 3 (1.68)
Bowling Green – 3 (1.54)
UAA – 3 (1.46)
Yale – 3 (1.13)
LSSU – 3 (1.12)
Bemidji – 2 (0.37)
Ferris – 1 (0.80)
RIT – 1 (0.35)
Brown – 1 (0.18)
Holy Cross – 1 (0.12)
Northeastern – 1 (0.11)
Merrimack – 1 (0.05)
Norwich – 1 (0.01)
RPI – 1 (0.01)

Where NCAA players in the NHL come from (birthplace):
USA – 179
(MN-37, MI-30, NY-20, MA-17, IL-11, PA-11, WI-10, CT-9, CA-5, AK-4, CO/MO/NH-3, IN/MD/NJ/WA-2, DE/FL/IA/NE/NC/ND/OH/UT-1)
Canada – 102
(Ont-36, Alta-23, BC-21, Sask-10, Man-6.5, PQ-3, Nfld-2, NB/NS-1)
Sweden – 3
Austria – 2
Brunei – 1
Finland – 1
France – 1
Germany – 1



Enjoy, just don't kill the compiler.
r

JDUBBS1280
08-25-2011, 12:06 AM
Thanks. I think it's important to note, the reason so many NHL players come from the CHL has more to do with it being the primary development route for Canadian players than it has anything to do with it being the better development route. Chris Peters of USofHockey did a piece a while back, and far less US players in the NHL went the CHL route. He looked at just recent first round picks, but it's a good representation.

http://unitedstatesofhockey.com/2011/08/03/the-path-to-the-nhl-part-i-big-decisions-at-age-16/

cetihcra
08-25-2011, 12:15 AM
Let's do it by percentage:

80.4% of Canadians in the NHL went the CHL route
22.5% of Americans in the NHL went the CHL route

Please note, I am not drawing conclusions by comparing the CHL and NCAA, just posting the data.

r

JDUBBS1280
08-25-2011, 12:18 AM
Let's do it by percentage:

80.4% of Canadians in the NHL went the CHL route
22.5% of Americans in the NHL went the CHL route

Please note, I am not drawing conclusions by comparing the CHL and NCAA, just posting the data.

r

I understand that. Just wanted to point that out. Thanks for putting this together :)

GoNU5
08-25-2011, 12:39 AM
Where NCAA players in the NHL come from (birthplace):
USA – 179
(MN-37, MI-30, NY-20, MA-17, IL-11, PA-11, WI-10, CT-9, CA-5, AK-4, CO/MO/NH-3, IN/MD/NJ/WA-2, DE/FL/IA/NE/NC/ND/OH/UT-1)
Canada – 102
(Ont-36, Alta-23, BC-21, Sask-10, Man-6.5, PQ-3, Nfld-2, NB/NS-1)
Sweden – 3
Austria – 2
Brunei – 1
Finland – 1
France – 1
Germany – 1
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Enjoy, just don't kill the compiler.
r

Who's the player from Brunei?

LynahFan
08-25-2011, 02:22 AM
Who's the player from Brunei?
Let me Google that for you... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Adams_(ice_hockey))

(I had already looked it up before seeing your post)

:)

FreddyFoyle
08-25-2011, 09:44 AM
Great Job cetihrca!

Confirms the conventional wisdom in Canada that roughly half of the NHL players come through the CHL. Not remotely close to the 1/3-1/3-1/3 mix espoused by certain NCAA coaches.

It is also interesting by your stats that 35% (102/290) of the NCAAers in the NHL were born in Canada.

JDUBBS1280
08-25-2011, 09:53 AM
It is also interesting by your stats that 35% (102/290) of the NCAAers in the NHL were born in Canada.

Why is that surprising? Just curious. Sounds about right to me.

FreddyFoyle
08-25-2011, 10:05 AM
Why is that surprising? Just curious. Sounds about right to me.

Didn't say it was surprising -- rather that it was interesting. I had no idea how many NHL-calibre (well, for one game at least ...) Canadians were playing in the NCAA.

JDUBBS1280
08-25-2011, 10:16 AM
Didn't say it was surprising -- rather that it was interesting. I had no idea how many NHL-calibre (well, for one game at least ...) Canadians were playing in the NCAA.

Got it. There have been some good ones, Toews and Heatley to name a few. The number of Canadians in NCAA Hockey used to be even higher.

GoNU5
08-25-2011, 11:39 AM
Let me Google that for you... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Adams_(ice_hockey))

(I had already looked it up before seeing your post)

:)

Thanks, when I saw Brunei I thought there must have been a typo haha.

state of hockey
08-25-2011, 01:15 PM
Thanks, when I saw Brunei I thought there must have been a typo haha.

I correctly assumed that it was a Canadian. :)

Osorojo
08-25-2011, 06:33 PM
Reactionaries, by definition, are in continuous denial of change, or even the possibility of change. Nonetheless, what is now wasn't then and won't be when. Here is some data about the essential state of NHL hockey in the past: !959-60 Maurice Richard salary $25 thousand (Canadian), 1966-67 Bobby Orr salary $35 thousand, 1969-70 Derek Sanderson salary $13 thousand, 1977-78 Derek Sanderson salary $1 million, 1991 average NHL player salary $27thousand, 2010, average NHL player salary $2.4 million.
So what? About half the posts on this site are concerned with the relationships between college recruits/players and the NHL draft. Change is predictable if you follow the money.

Slap Shot
08-25-2011, 07:26 PM
Reactionaries, by definition, are in continuous denial of change, or even the possibility of change. Nonetheless, what is now wasn't then and won't be when. Here is some data about the essential state of NHL hockey in the past: !959-60 Maurice Richard salary $25 thousand (Canadian), 1966-67 Bobby Orr salary $35 thousand, 1969-70 Derek Sanderson salary $13 thousand, 1977-78 Derek Sanderson salary $1 million, 1991 average NHL player salary $27thousand, 2010, average NHL player salary $2.4 million.
So what? About half the posts on this site are concerned with the relationships between college recruits/players and the NHL draft. Change is predictable if you follow the money.

Come again?

Osorojo
08-25-2011, 08:34 PM
Come again?
Data: The WCHA was founded (named) in 1961. The CCHA was founded in 1971. The fracture of these conferences in 2011 has astonished and dismayed reactionary (check definition) hockey fans on this site. One of the better hockey players in 1960, Rocket Richard, earned $25 thousand Canadian. In 2010 the AVERAGE NHL player was paid $2.4 million dollars. In 2011 the CCHA and the WCHA underwent major changes.
Not data: College hockey fans believe their team's success relies upon the number of NHL draftees among their recruits and players, as evidenced by the posts on this site. You can ignore this financial data as inconsequential or you can reach some conclusions which may defy reactionary doctrine.

Slap Shot
08-25-2011, 11:00 PM
Data: The WCHA was founded (named) in 1961. The CCHA was founded in 1971. The fracture of these conferences in 2011 has astonished and dismayed reactionary (check definition) hockey fans on this site. One of the better hockey players in 1960, Rocket Richard, earned $25 thousand Canadian. In 2010 the AVERAGE NHL player was paid $2.4 million dollars. In 2011 the CCHA and the WCHA underwent major changes.
Not data: College hockey fans believe their team's success relies upon the number of NHL draftees among their recruits and players, as evidenced by the posts on this site. You can ignore this financial data as inconsequential or you can reach some conclusions which may defy reactionary doctrine.

Come again?

HarleyMC
08-25-2011, 11:23 PM
Come again?

Slap, I'd like to request that you replace "Come again?" with "Ok". Osorojo needs a hug. http://i594.***********.com/albums/tt28/harleymc1/icon_confused2.gif

Osorojo
08-26-2011, 09:09 AM
How much NHL players are paid has a greater impact upon college hockey than where NHL players were born.
Since the CCHA and the WCHA were founded there have been spectacular changes in NHL player compensation.
Only short-sighted individuals were surprised by or confused about the motive for realigning college hockey conferences.
If you want to see where college hockey is headed look where the money in hockey is going.

FreddyFoyle
08-26-2011, 09:51 AM
I'm not sure how NHL salaries have anything to do with conference realignments in the NCAA. I can certainly see where television money, like for the Big 10 network, has an impact, but to me that is independent of the NHL.

I would agree, if this is what Osorojo is hinting at, that the huge increase in NHL salaries over the years is more of an incentive for NCAA bound players to cash in early and take their signing bonus and run ...

JDUBBS1280
08-26-2011, 09:56 AM
How much NHL players are paid has a greater impact upon college hockey than where NHL players were born.
Since the CCHA and the WCHA were founded there have been spectacular changes in NHL player compensation.
Only short-sighted individuals were surprised by or confused about the motive for realigning college hockey conferences.
If you want to see where college hockey is headed look where the money in hockey is going.

I disagree. There are only a handful of Minnesotans in the CHL now, and will only be a handful of Minnesotans in the CHL in 20 years. Unless Minnesota's culture changes, that won't change. And it isn't just Minnesota. WI and ND to a smaller extent.