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Huskiefan906
07-16-2011, 11:15 AM
With the new leagues, will there eventually be a shift in whether these new Western conferences can get all the top traditional Western based recruits? This shift could occur due to bad W-L records of the bottom feeders of these two conferences.

Most favorable destinations for recruits
Michigan
Minnesota
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Who will become the new doormats with long term negative impact on overall recruiting
Ohio State (Osiecki and Exter will not likely allow OSU to lose)
Wisconsin (possible, but not likely)
Michigan State (someone has to lose in this setup)
Penn State (recruiting will tell whether they ever get it going)

Most favorable destinations for recruits
North Dakota
Denver
(**Notre Dame**))

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Who will become the new doormats with long term negative impact on overall recruiting
Minnesota Duluth (possible)
Colorado College (possible)
Miami (possible)
Nebraska Omaha (Dean Blais gives them an edge, but how about after Blais)

5mn_Major
07-16-2011, 11:46 AM
With the new leagues, will there eventually be a shift in whether these new Western conferences can get all the top traditional Western based recruits? This shift could occur due to bad W-L records of the bottom feeders of these two conferences.

Most favorable destinations for recruits
Michigan
Minnesota
____________________________________

Who will become the new doormats with long term negative impact on overall recruiting
Ohio State (Osiecki and Exter will not likely allow OSU to lose)
Wisconsin (possible, but not likely)
Michigan State (someone has to lose in this setup)
Penn State (recruiting will tell whether they ever get it going)

Most favorable destinations for recruits
North Dakota
Denver
(**Notre Dame**))

____________________________________

Who will become the new doormats with long term negative impact on overall recruiting
Minnesota Duluth (possible)
Colorado College (possible)
Miami (possible)
Nebraska Omaha (Dean Blais gives them an edge, but how about after Blais)

Gut says Wisconsin will continue to do fine. Minnesota has the most to gain (just needs a shake up in the program). Miami has the most to lose.

4four4
07-16-2011, 11:47 AM
Gut says Wisconsin will continue to do fine. Minnesota has the most to gain (just needs a shake up in the program). Miami has the most to lose.

I agree. I would also add MSU will be an up and down program.

ecbrevik
07-16-2011, 12:06 PM
I agree. I would also add MSU will be an up and down program.
Michigan State is taking a huge gamble right now, hiring an unproven coach to take over as they are transitioning into Big 10 hockey. In the CCHA there were some smaller schools that MSU could expect to have a recruiting advantage over just because they were one of the "big boys". That advantage is largely lost in a Big 10 hockey league.

OSU and Penn St are being looked at as the likey doormats in Big 10 hockey. But there is room for one of these schools to make a serious commitment to hockey with a really good coach and to move up, and there is room for a school like Michigan St to falter with a bad hire.

4four4
07-16-2011, 12:09 PM
Michigan State is taking a huge gamble right now, hiring an unproven coach to take over as they are transitioning into Big 10 hockey. In the CCHA there were some smaller schools that MSU could expect to have a recruiting advantage over just because they were one of the "big boys". That advantage is largely lost in a Big 10 hockey league.

OSU and Penn St are being looked at as the likey doormats in Big 10 hockey. But there is room for one of these schools to make a serious commitment to hockey with a really good coach and to move up, and there is room for a school like Michigan St to falter with a bad hire.

IMO, it is not the facilities they are top notch it will be everything else. OSU will be a doormat unless they decide to place an arena on campus. They have the money but do they have the desire?

PenaltyBoxBeast
07-16-2011, 12:25 PM
Colorado College is good at picking up players who go under the radar that the upper echelon teams pass on. Also at CC, academics is a HUGE factor in recruiting... Unlike UND who will take anybody. I don't see CC having problems recruiting since they target players who would usually never consider going to Michigan or UND. The biggest problem for CC is that DU pulls from the same market.

gopheritall
07-16-2011, 12:35 PM
Colorado College is good at picking up players who go under the radar that the upper echelon teams pass on. Also at CC, academics is a HUGE factor in recruiting... Unlike UND who will take anybody. I don't see CC having problems recruiting since they target players who would usually never consider going to Michigan or UND. The biggest problem for CC is that DU pulls from the same market.

Are you calling DU players smart!? ;)

Hammy
07-16-2011, 01:03 PM
Colorado College is good at picking up players who go under the radar that the upper echelon teams pass on. Also at CC, academics is a HUGE factor in recruiting... Unlike UND who will take anybody. I don't see CC having problems recruiting since they target players who would usually never consider going to Michigan or UND. The biggest problem for CC is that DU pulls from the same market.

I'm not entirely sure that CC goes unscathed in some respects. Over the years, CC has done an admirable job recruiting kids out of MN (Sertich, Stuart, Hillen, etc) despite being a pretty healthy distance away. But the reality is MN kids knew they could commit to CC and still have a healthy chunk of their games played within MN borders. A relatively easy drive for mom and dad to go to see games in Minneapolis, St. Cloud, Mankato, etc.

The amount of games CC will play in MN is likely to see a decent drop back once they leave the WCHA. It's not going to be as simple for parents to go see their son play hockey. CC may have to adjust its focus a bit more because I do believe it will impact their recruiting Minnesotans.

Huskiefan906
07-16-2011, 01:41 PM
IMO, it is not the facilities they are top notch it will be everything else. OSU will be a doormat unless they decide to place an arena on campus. They have the money but do they have the desire?


Mark Osiecki is a winner though, he will not coach a doormat team....
Look at his record.

irish eyes
07-16-2011, 04:22 PM
obviously, good and smart.

irish eyes

Shirtless Guy
07-16-2011, 04:54 PM
Mark Osiecki is a winner though, he will not coach a doormat team....
Look at his record.This is why I will bet anyone that thinks OSU will finish 5th in 2013-14. It seems obvious to me that Ohio State will have a great shot at being ahead of PSU and MSU

4four4
07-16-2011, 05:32 PM
I'm not entirely sure that CC goes unscathed in some respects. Over the years, CC has done an admirable job recruiting kids out of MN (Sertich, Stuart, Hillen, etc) despite being a pretty healthy distance away. But the reality is MN kids knew they could commit to CC and still have a healthy chunk of their games played within MN borders. A relatively easy drive for mom and dad to go to see games in Minneapolis, St. Cloud, Mankato, etc.

The amount of games CC will play in MN is likely to see a decent drop back once they leave the WCHA. It's not going to be as simple for parents to go see their son play hockey. CC may have to adjust its focus a bit more because I do believe it will impact their recruiting Minnesotans.

I agree. This really does change recruiting for the new conference.

Eph72
07-16-2011, 08:55 PM
I think y'all are underestimating what television has to do with all this. I think one of the main reasons the ADs and coaches of the 5 existing Big 10 hockey schools got past their sentimentality for the good old WCHA and the good old CCHA is the revenue that will be derived from putting hockey on the Big 10 Network. We have a bazillion channels now on our television sets -- the game is all about content (that's why Comcast bought NBC, but that's another story).

I'll give you another example. ESPN. How many channels do they have now? 5? 6? 7? What's their biggest challenge? Finding compelling content. Content like Big 10 hockey is as close to a no brainer as there is.

But now the cat is out of the bag. If those 6 schools are on TV about 200 times a year and they're taking in some serious tv revenue, pretty soon there is a serious recruiting advantage. This is, no doubt, what the NCHC is all about as well.

As I said on another thread, wait till Jerry York or Jack Parker loses a top recruit to Penn State, or Miami, because they play in a league with a national TV contract. The dominos will keep falling. It won't be too long before Hockey East is "realigning" its way into some tv revenue.

I think the dominos keep falling.

Slap Shot
07-16-2011, 09:12 PM
I'm not entirely sure that CC goes unscathed in some respects. Over the years, CC has done an admirable job recruiting kids out of MN (Sertich, Stuart, Hillen, etc) despite being a pretty healthy distance away. But the reality is MN kids knew they could commit to CC and still have a healthy chunk of their games played within MN borders. A relatively easy drive for mom and dad to go to see games in Minneapolis, St. Cloud, Mankato, etc.

Didn't CC do pretty well even before SCSU and MSUM were both in conference?

I also don't see UM getting a huge recruiting lift from this (no, I don't see a drop off either) because they already get most of the recruits they want in-state and some of their problems extend from not picking the right guys, not getting the most out of them from coaching, bad luck, and perhaps not extending beyond the borders often enough - things that can be fixed without adding to the recruiting pool.

First Time, Long Time
07-16-2011, 09:36 PM
I think y'all are underestimating what television has to do with all this. I think one of the main reasons the ADs and coaches of the 5 existing Big 10 hockey schools got past their sentimentality for the good old WCHA and the good old CCHA is the revenue that will be derived from putting hockey on the Big 10 Network. We have a bazillion channels now on our television sets -- the game is all about content (that's why Comcast bought NBC, but that's another story).

I'll give you another example. ESPN. How many channels do they have now? 5? 6? 7? What's their biggest challenge? Finding compelling content. Content like Big 10 hockey is as close to a no brainer as there is.

But now the cat is out of the bag. If those 6 schools are on TV about 200 times a year and they're taking in some serious tv revenue, pretty soon there is a serious recruiting advantage. This is, no doubt, what the NCHC is all about as well.

As I said on another thread, wait till Jerry York or Jack Parker loses a top recruit to Penn State, or Miami, because they play in a league with a national TV contract. The dominos will keep falling. It won't be too long before Hockey East is "realigning" its way into some tv revenue.

I think the dominos keep falling.

ESPN would have to care about hockey first.
They wouldn't show the NCAA tournament if they didn't have to.

smokeythebear
07-16-2011, 10:08 PM
If ESPN gave a rats *** about hockey, they would of won the bid for the NHL over NBC/Versus. NBC Game of the week coverage is good, not great. The winter classic is awesome, but in HD, it would always be awesome, even on Animal Planet. I don't see college hockey getting on ESPN fulltime, at least until they paint beer ads on the ice.

Eph72
07-16-2011, 10:17 PM
ESPN would have to care about hockey first.


The point is not that ESPN will televise college hockey. They may or may not. Maybe they won't. The point is that with a bazillion channels and dozens of sports networks, they all need content. Whether its rodeo or bass fishing or poker or college baseball or even...college hockey...they all need content. Keep your eye on the Big 10 Network...

smokeythebear
07-16-2011, 10:35 PM
college hockey...they all need content. Keep your eye on the Big 10 Network...

Yes I agree, slam dunk that the big 10 network will show big 10 hockey. Will it show non-conference games, that is the question. I guess they show non-con football games, Michigan-Eastern, but football is always broadcasted even against App State.

I'd love to know what the production costs of showing bowling, or pool vs. a hockey game would cost. Although, bowling and pool sells alot of advertisements, NCAA on the otherhand I am unfamilar. Beer ads on the ice? Come on, jump on the Coors Cold Ice Train!! Choo-Choo!

First Time, Long Time
07-16-2011, 10:52 PM
Yes I agree, slam dunk that the big 10 network will show big 10 hockey. Will it show non-conference games, that is the question. I guess they show non-con football games, Michigan-Eastern, but football is always broadcasted even against App State.

I'd love to know what the production costs of showing bowling, or pool vs. a hockey game would cost. Although, bowling and pool sells alot of advertisements, NCAA on the otherhand I am unfamilar. Beer ads on the ice? Come on, jump on the Coors Cold Ice Train!! Choo-Choo!

They are not showing non conference games.

First Time, Long Time
07-16-2011, 10:52 PM
The point is not that ESPN will televise college hockey. They may or may not. Maybe they won't. The point is that with a bazillion channels and dozens of sports networks, they all need content. Whether its rodeo or bass fishing or poker or college baseball or even...college hockey...they all need content. Keep your eye on the Big 10 Network...

The point is they want programming that will draw ratings, college hockey does not draw ratings.