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Timothy A
05-19-2011, 12:40 PM
I said before that Butters is changing how UW recruits but some got upset with me.

I just can't believe Eaves would allow Butters to influence his philosophy on recruiting, considering Eaves' track record is rather solid the last 4 yrs. There's no reason to change the recruiting philosophy, other than maybe not recruit so many Wisconsin kids. I think Eaves is making UW's roster too Wisconsin kid heavy. Has WI HS hockey really come that far where you can have a national top 10 team with 12 WI kids and 14 non WI kids? I think the jury is out, but next year will tell me a lot.

Chuck Schwartz
05-19-2011, 03:15 PM
I just can't believe Eaves would allow Butters to influence his philosophy on recruiting, considering Eaves' track record is rather solid the last 4 yrs. There's no reason to change the recruiting philosophy, other than maybe not recruit so many Wisconsin kids. I think Eaves is making UW's roster too Wisconsin kid heavy. Has WI HS hockey really come that far where you can have a national top 10 team with 12 WI kids and 14 non WI kids? I think the jury is out, but next year will tell me a lot.

Well believe it because it's happening. As for it being too Wisconsin heavy? The 2006 National Championship roster had 13 Wisconsin born players. Was that team too Wisconsin heavy?

solovsfett
05-19-2011, 05:44 PM
But that was different recruiting age, I suspect that this is an experiment that will ultimately be a failure. Frost contributions are something that can help make a contender a champion.

true, recruiting players from juniors in 1992-99 was much less prevalent, or on the american side at least. still...while I'm unsure of this decision I wonder if Butters can eventually land a Crowley or Bonin type (well I guess that's shuey's dept) by offering an immediate opening vs. 1 or 2 years jrs.

this will be VERY interesting to watch play out

DPlaya
05-19-2011, 10:07 PM
I said before that Butters is changing how UW recruits but some got upset with me. Additionally I don't think the staff was overly impressed with Drake this season.

Gandalf put forth the theory a while back that maybe Osiecki was the reason for the over-recruiting since it stopped at Wisconsin when he left and it now occurs at Ohio State. If Butters is indeed changing the way UW recruits in other ways, maybe Eaves really is open to giving his Assistants the power to make many of those decisions...

Chuck Schwartz
05-20-2011, 01:19 AM
Gandalf put forth the theory a while back that maybe Osiecki was the reason for the over-recruiting since it stopped at Wisconsin when he left and it now occurs at Ohio State. If Butters is indeed changing the way UW recruits in other ways, maybe Eaves really is open to giving his Assistants the power to make many of those decisions...

I think Eaves is a coach who is open to delegating power and trying things. It's not like Wisconsin recruiting is doing a total 180, but I know for a fact that Butters is pushing to bring in more players straight out of high school. It doesn't mean that it's going to happen exclusively, but it's going to happen more regularly.

I think this year is going to be more of an exception than the norm. LaBate was basically only brought in to take over for Strang. If Strang was still coming, LaBate would not even be committed to the Badgers. Same thing with Navin, I feel like the staff had every intention of Jordy coming back, and even though they flirted with the Linaker deal, I think it was more that they didn't feel they had the scholarship room down the road since Navin despite being an instate guy is a high scholarship kid. The only true examples in my opinion are Daly and Wittchow if he makes his decision to come in this year or the other un-named d-man if Wittchow doesn't come.

Lowbid
05-20-2011, 06:40 AM
The University of Minnesota announced today that sophomore-to-be forward Max Gardiner has left school to play junior hockey next year. Gardiner's most likely destinations would be the Dubuque Fighting Saints of the USHL, after Dubuque took him in the USHL Draft this past Monday, or playing for the Tri-City Americans in the WHL.

Gardiner struggled in his only season of college hockey after coming to Minnesota straight from Minnesota high school hockey and was woefully under-prepared for the rigors of college hockey. He was a late addition to the team after forward Josh Birkholz left the team over the summer while facing a suspension.

Gardiner's struggles highlight just how hard it can be for an 18-year-old coming directly from high school hockey. Some people in the hockey world aren't necessarily thrilled that a year of two of junior hockey is almost becoming mandatory for players that want to play Division I college hockey, but it seems as if that is becoming a necessity.


The above from WCH. Recruiting is a gamble at any age. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.

Chuck Schwartz
05-20-2011, 08:01 AM
FWIW in regards to Max Gardiner I hear Ohio State is the likely destination.

pinch
05-20-2011, 08:27 AM
If it is Ohio State it is without a scholly..... per Big Ten transfer rules

Chuck Schwartz
05-20-2011, 09:18 AM
If it is Ohio State it is without a scholly..... per Big Ten transfer rules

That issue has been debated on if Big Ten rules apply to hockey in regards to transfers or not and no one has been able to come up with concrete evidence.

Regardless, the message I got said that it would be indeed without scholarship unless he can obtain his associates degree. No clue what the associates degree has to do with it.

pinch
05-20-2011, 09:23 AM
Big Ten rules apply to Big Ten schools.

Chuck Schwartz
05-20-2011, 09:38 AM
Big Ten rules apply to Big Ten schools.

I'm not disagreeing with you but I have yet to see evidence either way that Big Ten hockey schools are bound to transfer rules since they are not participating in the Big Ten conference.

pinch
05-20-2011, 09:52 AM
I didn't mean for it to come across that way. I know the rules apply- whether there is a hockey conference or not .. Players have always been named Big Ten Scholar athletes etc, and have to abide by Big Ten bylaws and standards.

As far as the associates degree-- I think that somehow ties in with being a 4-2-4 transfer....which I really don't understand or know the particulars about

Timothy A
05-20-2011, 12:32 PM
Gandalf put forth the theory a while back that maybe Osiecki was the reason for the over-recruiting since it stopped at Wisconsin when he left and it now occurs at Ohio State. If Butters is indeed changing the way UW recruits in other ways, maybe Eaves really is open to giving his Assistants the power to make many of those decisions...

I always saw Eaves as a hardasss dictator, but it does appear he let's the recruiting guys to thier own thing.

Oz must be one heck of a recruiter, snagging Gardiner from the rodents. Of course, he laid that foundation when he was employed by UW.

Too WI players heavy....numbers don't lie, I guess it comes down to age, experience and talent.

markwojo
05-20-2011, 03:33 PM
How many Wisconsin born players were on the National title team? (Hint:13) In the end, I don't think you get fixated on where a kid comes from but how he plays and can he help your program. The fact is that Wisconsin kids can help by needing a little less scholarship dollars with in state tuition and maybe let you offer a little more to a Canadian kid that needs a little more dollars to make things work.

Timothy A
05-26-2011, 12:03 PM
Per Baggott, Wittchow DOESN'T want to come to UW right out of HS, he has rejected UW's offer for this year. He still has UW high on his list, but he hopes to attract more interest from other schools before making a decision. He specifically mentioned OSU as having interest. How long is Oz going to be a thron in UW's side?

This is an interesting turn on the "new" philosophy in recruiting.......and an ugly one.

Osorojo
05-26-2011, 12:31 PM
What has caused the growing number of talented DI college hockey players to turn pro before their eligibility expires - or they graduate? Is it a revolution in the minds of teenaged male hockey players or a change in college rules and policies?
Does this growing number of college hockey players dropping out of college to turn pro benefit the teams they leave or college hockey in general? Reasoned answers would be appreciated.

Chuck Schwartz
05-26-2011, 01:31 PM
Per Baggott, Wittchow DOESN'T want to come to UW right out of HS, he has rejected UW's offer for this year. He still has UW high on his list, but he hopes to attract more interest from other schools before making a decision. He specifically mentioned OSU as having interest. How long is Oz going to be a thron in UW's side?

This is an interesting turn on the "new" philosophy in recruiting.......and an ugly one.

OSU isn't a serious contender for Wittchow. I still expect Wisconsin to bring in another defenseman this year.

solovsfett
05-26-2011, 08:57 PM
Per Baggott, Wittchow DOESN'T want to come to UW right out of HS, he has rejected UW's offer for this year. He still has UW high on his list, but he hopes to attract more interest from other schools before making a decision. He specifically mentioned OSU as having interest. How long is Oz going to be a thron in UW's side?

This is an interesting turn on the "new" philosophy in recruiting.......and an ugly one.

OZ is picking up those guys for whom UW's offer wasn't matching the kids timetable, etc.

Ala DU and Wiercoch.

whether this new recruiting idea of getting kids from HS works or not we won't know for a while.

still...it makes you wonder. DU and NODAK certainly aren't taking kids from HS...food for thought for all badger hockey fans for a couple of years until we see how this pans out.

Badgers1
05-26-2011, 09:17 PM
OZ is picking up those guys for whom UW's offer wasn't matching the kids timetable, etc.

Ala DU and Wiercoch.

whether this new recruiting idea of getting kids from HS works or not we won't know for a while.

still...it makes you wonder. DU and NODAK certainly aren't taking kids from HS...food for thought for all badger hockey fans for a couple of years until we see how this pans out.

Not sure that would be the case for Zach Stepan who committed for the 2013 season, unless he was promised to likily be able to come in for 2012.

Big Papa
05-27-2011, 07:13 PM
I wouldn't worry. badgers always kick butt!!!!!!!!