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rightwing
04-24-2011, 11:04 AM
Tigers may be the youngest team in D1 next year with 18 Sophs and Frosh. But this years freshmen (10 of them ) all played regularly and well . The incoming freshmen are very strong and Gadowsky is a great coach. In a few years they should be great but I expect them to be very competitive despite their youth next year.

tiger
04-24-2011, 11:09 AM
Agree. Losing Fedun will be a blow but the youngsters were impressive. Not much from the upper classmen next year, but I expect them to be in the mix.

hockeyenthusiast
04-24-2011, 04:40 PM
Gadowsky is a great coach.

Agreed. Penn State should benefit from that.

turk181
04-24-2011, 05:32 PM
Agreed. Penn State should benefit from that. That's COLD!

tiger
04-24-2011, 06:40 PM
What a loss! The kids will be devastated. He will be very diificult to replace.

rightwing
04-24-2011, 06:44 PM
Who may be the replacement? This hurts the program.

Wholin1
04-24-2011, 07:33 PM
After losing our Coach of the Year this week, I truly feel your pain. You have to believe however, that this job will attract a lot of highly qualified candidates. It is no doubt a blow to the players, but with the right person at the helm the foundation that has been laid will remain intact.

tiger
04-24-2011, 09:26 PM
Thanks Wholin- you put it into perspective. I really don't blame Gadowsky as he gets to start a program from scratch with a huge budget. He will be able to recruit blue chippers with lower academic standards. He and Leaman are losses to the ECAC.

SteveP
04-24-2011, 09:59 PM
Thanks Wholin- you put it into perspective. I really don't blame Gadowsky as he gets to start a program from scratch with a huge budget. He will be able to recruit blue chippers with lower academic standards. He and Leaman are losses to the ECAC.

We are getting a great coach and, from what I've learned, an even better individual. Coach Gadowsky's emphasis on academics might have been what put him above Sandelin and Johnson (both also excellent candidates). For what it's worth, I'm not sure that the academic standards at Penn State are that much lower than at Princeton. Certainly, a lot of potential candidates for the club program were not academically eligible to get in here.

Press conference at 3pm Monday will be on the Big Ten Network.

rightwing
04-24-2011, 10:10 PM
Penn st. is getting a high quality individual. He will do well. But to suggest Penn State has similar academic standards to Princeton is simply not true. Princeton is constantly rated the top university in the nation by U S News and the hockey team has an Academic Index that is so high that Gadowsky had a small pool to recruit from. He won't have those restrictions at PSU , and will be able to get the athlete that he couldn't get at Princeton.

tiger
04-25-2011, 09:05 AM
I hear early candidates to replace Gadowsky are- Asst Keith Fisher and Bob Gaudette of Dartmouth

ScoobyFanClub
04-25-2011, 09:17 AM
I hear early candidates to replace Gadowsky are- Asst Keith Fisher and Bob Gaudette of Dartmouth

It's Bob Gaudet, and that's about a ZERO percent chance of happening. He's a Dartmouth alum, and is going nowhere.

rightwing
04-25-2011, 05:14 PM
Any word on whether any of the recruits are backing out with the Coach leaving?

fr joe
04-25-2011, 06:27 PM
I seem to recall that Nick Dodge, at the time of the last coaching change, switched from Princeton to Clarkson.

Skate79
04-26-2011, 08:59 AM
Penn st. is getting a high quality individual. He will do well. But to suggest Penn State has similar academic standards to Princeton is simply not true. Princeton is constantly rated the top university in the nation by U S News and the hockey team has an Academic Index that is so high that Gadowsky had a small pool to recruit from. He won't have those restrictions at PSU , and will be able to get the athlete that he couldn't get at Princeton.

Agreed. Penn State is a fine school but nowhere near the caliber of Princeton. Foolish to put the two in the same sentence academically.

I wonder how many other coaches view the ECAC as a stepping stone to jobs in other conferences. I can't see Schafer or Gaudet looking elsewhere as they are alums of their respective programs. From a Harvard perspective, we're more worried about Amaker and Murphy seeking other jobs given their success in the basketball and football programs. Especially Amaker.

klumpmypants
04-26-2011, 02:12 PM
Agreed. Penn State is a fine school but nowhere near the caliber of Princeton. Foolish to put the two in the same sentence academically.

I would say it's foolish to put State Pen in the same sentence academically as Wisconsin and Michigan, let alone Princeton.


I wonder how many other coaches view the ECAC as a stepping stone to jobs in other conferences. I can't see Schafer or Gaudet looking elsewhere as they are alums of their respective programs. From a Harvard perspective, we're more worried about Amaker and Murphy seeking other jobs given their success in the basketball and football programs. Especially Amaker.

The only one I can think of, and he is pretty obvious, is RPI's Seth Appert. Now, I am willing to bet RPI takes care of him a bit better than Union took care of Nate Leaman. RPI probably also has a bit more potential as far as what the program can achieve with a good coach. The argument could be made that Leaman had pretty much done all he could possibly do at Union, which Appert certainly has further to go. But he played in the CCHA and coached national championship teams at Denver in the WCHA. Sorry, but the lovely environs of Troy, NY are not enough to keep anyone around forever if the right jobs open up.

All 5 other Ivy coaches are alums and the only one that I think might ever leave for a better college job is Brendan Whittet of Brown, but not for some time and not until Brown has achieved at least what Yale has now. He is a young guy and like Leaman, needs to think about supporting a young family.

Yale's Keith Allain might leave, but he would never coach anywhere else in college. I could see him jumping to the pros, but he probably wants a national championship of at least a couple FFs before that happens. He is old enough that it is more about pride than money at this point.

Schafer and Gaudet are firmly entrenched in the one job they have always wanted and are there until they retire. Donato is at Harvard until he gets let go or turns it around, whatever happens first. If he succeeded at Harvard, he might have been a candidate for a bigger college or pro job, but at this point he is just trying to keep his head above water.

As for the non-Ivys, SLU's Joe Marsh and Colgate's Don Vaughn are doubtful to leave for anywhere else. Marsh will be at SLU until he retires, which could be sooner than later. If that happens, I guess Vaughn could be a candidate at SLU as he is an alum and it is a more desirable job in my opinion.

Rand Pecknold has achieved a lot at Quinnipiac, but not enough to make a school from a bigger conference really want him. He needs to win a championship first. But QU loves him and they are committed to hockey, so he's got a good thing going.

It's probably too early to talk about Bennett or whoever replaces Roll, but I see both as potential jumpers if they achieve success.

As far as early candidates for the Princeton opening, I don't know much about any PU alums with coaching experience and while I assume at least a few present D1 head coaches will be interested, I can't think of any off the top of my head. Gadowsky came out of nowhere when he was hired away from Alaska after all. But as far as assistants that jump out as potential candidates, there are 3 right from the Ivies: Cornell Associate Head Coach Casey Jones, Dartmouth Associate Head Coach Dave Peters, and Yale Associate Head Coach Kyle Wallack.

These guys are all the #2's and top recruiters at the three most recently successful Ivy (and ECAC, for that matter) programs. Jones will be a candidate for the Clarkson opening as well and I could understand why he might prefer that job. Peters has been a candidate for every opening since god knows when and was the runner up when Gadowsky got the job at PU as well as when Allain got the job at Yale. He would have been a top candidate for the job at Brown 2 years ago but did not apply out of respect to Brown alum and then-fellow DC assistant Whittet. Wallack, the least obvious of the three names, has helped Keith Allain build Yale into a national powerhouse. His former boss at Holy Cross, Paul Pearl, is often named as a candidate for open jobs including at Yale when Taylor was let go, but I think Wallack is the real reason HC was so successful while he was there.

Larriecat
04-26-2011, 06:52 PM
It's Bob Gaudet, and that's about a ZERO percent chance of happening. He's a Dartmouth alum, and is going nowhere.

No one has done less with more talent than Bob Gaudet. It will be great for the rest of the ECAC if he stays right where he is. He has the perfect situation at Dartmouth and really is not accountable to anyone. He carries more status at Dartmouth than the new AD. The Princeton program is on a huge roll.

You will find someone great.

rightwing
04-26-2011, 11:01 PM
Interesting look at Ivy coaches. Finding someone who will fit at Princeton ( academics etc. ) like Guy did will be difficult. Any ideas?

SteveP
04-27-2011, 12:34 PM
Penn st. is getting a high quality individual. He will do well. But to suggest Penn State has similar academic standards to Princeton is simply not true. Princeton is constantly rated the top university in the nation by U S News and the hockey team has an Academic Index that is so high that Gadowsky had a small pool to recruit from. He won't have those restrictions at PSU , and will be able to get the athlete that he couldn't get at Princeton.

In no way was I inferring that Penn State standards are as high as Princeton, only that they are tougher than a lot of hockey schools.

klumpmypants
04-27-2011, 04:22 PM
Been thinking about potential alums who could be head coaching candidates, since that is the way every other Ivy has now gone and had success with (with the exception of Harvard).

They tried it with Quesnelle, who played when the team was still awful, and it did not work out even though he was the top assistant when Cahoon turned them around. So I would think they'd want to try someone who played during their best years. So it would have to be someone from the Cahoon era because anyone who played on a good Princeton team before he came is long dead and everyone that played for Gadowsky is too young.

From there, the most successful class in the era was the class of '99, captained by Jeff Halpern and Syl Apps III. Halpern is still an active NHLer with zero coaching experience and I hope everyone has learned the lesson not to go that route from Harvard. I can't find anything about what Apps or guys like Steve Shireffs have been doing for the last six years. Anyone know if anyone from that class or time has been doing any coaching at any level?