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Fighting Sioux 23
04-17-2011, 04:09 PM
If the NCAA found ANY violation at UND, you can bet your bottom dollar that the ICBM's would be flying @ Grand Forks.

Fortunately, Grand Forks is the one location in the United States that can handle such a thing :p:D:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safeguard_Program

Fighting Sioux 23
04-17-2011, 04:11 PM
This thread is useful. It's always a good thing to know who supports racist acts and imagery.

Also, good for who supports a vocal pc minority trying to drown out the Native American voice. ;)

uaafanblog
04-17-2011, 04:33 PM
Also, good for who supports a vocal pc minority trying to drown out the Native American voice. ;)

Yes ... that "minority" is a problem isn't it. Let's quantify the "minority" who support the retirement of such "nicknames" shall we?

American Indian Movement
American Jewish Committee
American Psychological Society
American Sociological Society
Asian American Journalists Association
Association on American Indian Affairs
Center for the Study of Sports in Society
Governor's Interstate Indian Council
Great Lakes Inter-Tribal Council
League of United Latin American Citizens
Maryland Commission on Indian Affairs
Michigan Civil Rights Commission
Michigan Education Association
State of Michigan Board of Education
Morning Star Institute
NAACP
National Association of Black Journalists
National Association of Hispanic Journalists
National Coalition on Racism in Sports and Media
National Conference of Xtians and Jews
National Conferenc for Community and Justice
National Congress of American Indians
National Education Association
National Indian Education Association
Native American Journalists Association
Nebraska Commission on Indian Affairs
New Hampshire State Board of Education
New York State Education Department
North American Society for the Sociology of Sport
North Carolina Commission of Indian Affairs
North Dakota Indian Education Association
North Dakota State University Student Senate
Ohio Center for Native American Affairs
Presbyterian Church USA
Rainbow Coalition
Society of Indian Psychologists of the Americas
Southern California Indian Center
Souther Xtian Leadership Conference
St. Cloud State University
Sault Ste. Tribe of Chippewa Indians
Standing Rock Sioux Tribe
Tennessee Commision of Indian Affairs
Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations
United Church of Christ
The United Indian Nations of Oklahoma
United Methodist Church
United States Commission on Civil Rights
Wisconsin Indian Education Association

I apologize that the list of organizations is incomplete however it presents a fairly wide ranging set of peoples who took the time to EXPLICITLY decry such usage.

Fighting Sioux 23
04-17-2011, 04:46 PM
Yes ... that "minority" is a problem isn't it. Let's quantify the "minority" who support the retirement of such "nicknames" shall we?

American Indian Movement
American Jewish Committee
American Psychological Society
American Sociological Society
Asian American Journalists Association
Association on American Indian Affairs
Center for the Study of Sports in Society
Governor's Interstate Indian Council
Great Lakes Inter-Tribal Council
League of United Latin American Citizens
Maryland Commission on Indian Affairs
Michigan Civil Rights Commission
Michigan Education Association
State of Michigan Board of Education
Morning Star Institute
NAACP
National Association of Black Journalists
National Association of Hispanic Journalists
National Coalition on Racism in Sports and Media
National Conference of Xtians and Jews
National Conferenc for Community and Justice
National Congress of American Indians
National Education Association
National Indian Education Association
Native American Journalists Association
Nebraska Commission on Indian Affairs
New Hampshire State Board of Education
New York State Education Department
North American Society for the Sociology of Sport
North Carolina Commission of Indian Affairs
North Dakota Indian Education Association
North Dakota State University Student Senate
Ohio Center for Native American Affairs
Presbyterian Church USA
Rainbow Coalition
Society of Indian Psychologists of the Americas
Southern California Indian Center
Souther Xtian Leadership Conference
St. Cloud State University
Sault Ste. Tribe of Chippewa Indians
Standing Rock Sioux Tribe
Tennessee Commision of Indian Affairs
Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations
United Church of Christ
The United Indian Nations of Oklahoma
United Methodist Church
United States Commission on Civil Rights
Wisconsin Indian Education Association

I apologize that the list of organizations is incomplete however it presents a fairly wide ranging set of peoples who took the time to EXPLICITLY decry such usage.

NDSU is against this??? I'm shocked. :p:D:D

When an overwhelming majority of Sioux members are in favor of the nickname, what does it matter that the United Methodist Church may have a member or two against it?

Consider your list absurd.

MavHockey14
04-17-2011, 04:52 PM
This thread is useful. It's always a good thing to know who supports racist acts and imagery.

Why do you care? How do we use the name for racism? By simply having student athletes who display hardwork, leadership, dedication, drive, and PRIDE in be named the Fighting Sioux?

uaafanblog
04-17-2011, 04:52 PM
When an overwhelming majority of Sioux members ...
In "honoring" the fine aboriginal people of your state might you not at least use the name which they call themselves instead of the name forced upon them by an ancient enemy and propagated by the occupiers who nearly wiped them from existence by genocide?

Yes, I know Lakota people often refer to themselves as Sioux. When they speak English. Otherwise, not so much. Be a pal to the indigenous people of the state and show some respect.

uaafanblog
04-17-2011, 04:58 PM
Why do you care?
Because human rights are of interest to me. Because people related to and from my ancestral lands took it upon themselves to systematically exterminate a people and culture that wasn't "warrior-like" but instead peaceful.


How do we use the name for racism? By simply having student athletes who display hardwork, leadership, dedication, drive, and PRIDE in be named the Fighting Sioux?
There is but one legitimate sign of a racist act. And that is to query the person(s) to/at whom the act was directed.

davyd83
04-17-2011, 05:00 PM
Someone please remind me why the name Sioux (Fighting was added later) was chosen in 1930. What were those reasons they "honor" the Sioux? Something about being good for exterminating Bison, being warlike and that it is easily rhymed for yells and songs. Now thats how you honor a people who didn't even regularly refer to themselves as Sioux, a name given them by the whites that lumped toghether many different nations.

Happy
04-17-2011, 05:01 PM
Know that - I live in ACC country. But among the BCS conferences, the SEC is first amongst equals. That conference can do anything, get caught with its hands in the cookie jar, and pretty much escape with only a slap on the wrist.

If the NCAA found ANY violation at UND, you can bet your bottom dollar that the ICBM's would be flying @ Grand Forks.

The NCAA never looks for violations. It is up to an inquisitive local news media, or a snitch to report an activity to the NCAA. This is why so many crooked programs get away with stuff, if no one tells the NCAA never finds out. One of the reasons Haskins got caught is because the NBA had a lockout, and the non-local Pioneer Press reporter had nothing better to do that run down some rumors. If no one on the local paper wants to risk his job, many schools get away with stuff for years.

Fighting Sioux 23
04-17-2011, 05:01 PM
In "honoring" the fine aboriginal people of your state might you not at least use the name which they call themselves instead of the name forced upon them by an ancient enemy and propagated by the occupiers who nearly wiped them from existence by genocide?

Yes, I know Lakota people often refer to themselves as Sioux. When they speak English. Otherwise, not so much. Be a pal to the indigenous people of the state and show some respect.

Spirit Lake Sioux are Santee or Dakota, not Lakota. Nice try though. :p:D:D

Happy
04-17-2011, 05:05 PM
Spirit Lake Sioux are Santee or Dakota, not Lakota. Nice try though. :p:D:D

You better get wikipedia to change then, because they list all kinds of Lakota in ND.

uaafanblog
04-17-2011, 05:07 PM
Spirit Lake Sioux are Santee or Dakota, not Lakota. Nice try though. :p:D:D

Dakota and Lakota were defacto interchangeable in the original languages.

So there's that.

Fighting Sioux 23
04-17-2011, 05:08 PM
You better get wikipedia to change then, because they list all kinds of Lakota in ND.

I can't speak for what's on wikipedia, but there are some Lakota in North Dakota, but the majority are further west and south (think Montana and South Dakota). The Spirit Lake Sioux are Santee or Dakota.

Fighting Sioux 23
04-17-2011, 05:10 PM
Dakota and Lakota were defacto interchangeable in the original languages.

So there's that.

:p:D:D Interesting, considering that they are two different tribes. Santee is the better term, but they are also referred to as Dakota. There is also Nakota, along with Lakota. They are each different tribes.

MavHockey14
04-17-2011, 05:11 PM
I can't speak for what's on wikipedia, but there are some Lakota in North Dakota, but the majority are further west and south (think Montana and South Dakota). The Spirit Lake Sioux are Santee or Dakota.
Wikipedia also isn't a credited source, as it can be edited and added to by anyone.

uaafanblog
04-17-2011, 05:12 PM
Spirit Lake Sioux are Santee or Dakota, not Lakota. Nice try though. :p:D:D

Be a man. Fess up. You have zero interest in Native American culture and/or history except as it applies to the identity you acquired through a lifetime of propagandized use of imagery and language by the freaking hockey team to which your entire personage seems to be defined.

You only care because they are taking away YOUR traditional usage. Recognition that YOUR traditional usage is indeed hostile, abusive and demeaning means nothing to you. You could care less about the peoples you defend as being "honored". You don't want to change the name because "Sioux" were good at killing "Bison".

End of story.

Fighting Sioux 23
04-17-2011, 05:22 PM
Be a man. Fess up. You have zero interest in Native American culture and/or history except as it applies to the identity you acquired through a lifetime of propagandized use of imagery and language by the freaking hockey team to which your entire personage seems to be defined.

You only care because they are taking away YOUR traditional usage. Recognition that YOUR traditional usage is indeed hostile, abusive and demeaning means nothing to you. You could care less about the peoples you defend as being "honored". You don't want to change the name because "Sioux" were good at killing "Bison".

End of story.

This is fantastic. You don't know me, but I will enlighten you on MY background. I'm originally from Minot, North Dakota. I went to the University of North Dakota, majored in History, with minors in Indian Studies, English and Religion. When I was there, my roommate my freshman year was Native American. I then went to the University of Colorado and received my doctorate in History. I will be attending the University of Denver Sturm College of Law either this fall, or Fall of 2012. I currently teach History at a private school in the Denver area, and am a freelance web developer.

End of Story.

davyd83
04-17-2011, 05:36 PM
This is fantastic. You don't know me, but I will enlighten you on MY background. I'm originally from Minot, North Dakota. I went to the University of North Dakota, majored in History, with minors in Indian Studies, English and Religion. When I was there, my roommate my freshman year was Native American. I then went to the University of Colorado and received my doctorate in History. I will be attending the University of Denver Sturm College of Law either this fall, or Fall of 2012. I currently teach History at a private school in the Denver area, and am a freelance web developer.

End of Story.

Looks like you've got 'em there!

MavHockey14
04-17-2011, 05:54 PM
Be a man. Fess up. You have zero interest in Native American culture and/or history except as it applies to the identity you acquired through a lifetime of propagandized use of imagery and language by the freaking hockey team to which your entire personage seems to be defined.

You only care because they are taking away YOUR traditional usage. Recognition that YOUR traditional usage is indeed hostile, abusive and demeaning means nothing to you. You could care less about the peoples you defend as being "honored". You don't want to change the name because "Sioux" were good at killing "Bison".

End of story.
Who are you to tell him who he is?

Happy
04-17-2011, 07:11 PM
This is fantastic. You don't know me, but I will enlighten you on MY background. I'm originally from Minot, North Dakota. I went to the University of North Dakota, majored in History, with minors in Indian Studies, English and Religion. When I was there, my roommate my freshman year was Native American. I then went to the University of Colorado and received my doctorate in History. I will be attending the University of Denver Sturm College of Law either this fall, or Fall of 2012. I currently teach History at a private school in the Denver area, and am a freelance web developer.

End of Story.


that sounds like alot of schooling, without much real job potential, other than government work, that is.