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steve66
04-11-2011, 10:14 PM
What is the obcession with these kids playing in AHL? Who is really advising these kids that signing is the right thing. Will the NCAA and the NHL change there rules regarding college players? This is killing the sport like no other college sport.

Almington
04-11-2011, 10:29 PM
What is the obcession with these kids playing in AHL? Who is really advising these kids that signing is the right thing. Will the NCAA and the NHL change there rules regarding college players? This is killing the sport like no other college sport.

Players have been leaving early for years and years. That isn't going to change anytime soon. I'd rather have a player for a year or two then not have that player at all because they went to MJ. The availbility of an alternative path is something that the other sports really do not have to contend with.

The player may only play in the AHL, but they all believe that they have a chance to play in the NHL and that isn't something that can happen if they stay in school.

I think that the one-year rule is hurting basketball more then early departures are hurting hockey. But that is as seperate issue.

northeastern
04-11-2011, 10:48 PM
If the business does not stress to the employee.. go get your degree first!.. why would the employee care? ..sad but true.
Message needs to come from the top (NHL U.. that is) :)

Nick Papagiorgio
04-12-2011, 07:38 AM
Gee... why are these guys signing? Let's see.

- Money.
- Experience in the AHL even for a short time pays dividends for the next season.
- AHL is still a much higher level than D1. If someone is dominating at this level, why wouldn't you take the next step if you're close enough to a degree that you can finish it over the summer or next two summers? A step from D1 to the NHL is even bigger.

Who is advising some of these kids that signing is the right thing? Probably their "advisors"... aka agents and the NHL GMs that own their rights in most cases... the guys that do this for a living. Just a guess.

Hokydad
04-12-2011, 08:28 AM
95% of the kids leaving have one dream, to play pro hockey. Not college hockey. It is an end to the means. Period

Do you really think Dacosta came to Merrimack to get a degree? If they made the rule it simply would mean even more kids would go major junior.

Dirty
04-12-2011, 08:46 AM
If anyone needs more "schoo" it is you, not players, judging from your spelling.

CHFAN222
04-12-2011, 08:52 AM
What is the obcession with these kids playing in AHL? Who is really advising these kids that signing is the right thing. Will the NCAA and the NHL change there rules regarding college players? This is killing the sport like no other college sport.

Can you really blame the kids if they need the money? I mean if they stay as NCAA athletes they actually are limited in how much money they can earn at a job while in schools due to scandals in other sports :rolleyes:. We don't know each players financial position so it's not fair to judge them.

FreshFish
04-12-2011, 09:05 AM
We are hearing more and more overall that college is not for everyone, it is merely one path toward a career. Trade schools that teach technical skills in a specific field can lead a person to a well-paying, rewarding career without a formal college degree (we have highly complex machinery in many areas of our lives; you don't need college to be a jet-engine repair person).

Perhaps your complaint is that the NHL is using colleges as an unpaid minor league system? While the schools and the NCAA make money, the athletes at some schools are only getting free room and board while at other schools they don't even get that.

Somehow I doubt that this is actually your complaint....

FlagDUDE08
04-12-2011, 09:23 AM
What is the obcession with these kids playing in AHL? Who is really advising these kids that signing is the right thing. Will the NCAA and the NHL change there rules regarding college players? This is killing the sport like no other college sport.

Change the rules, and they go to Major Junior. Football and basketball don't have to compete with that. Baseball it would be the same way, but most stay in college anyway.

ScoobyDoo
04-12-2011, 02:57 PM
If someone is dominating at this level

This is the most comical part of your analysis. Most of the kids that are leaving aren't dominating anything.

Happy
04-12-2011, 03:17 PM
What is the obcession with these kids playing in AHL? Who is really advising these kids that signing is the right thing. Will the NCAA and the NHL change there rules regarding college players? This is killing the sport like no other college sport.

Nick Leddy is going to make $700,000 as a twenty year old. probably over $1 million as a 21 year old. If he saves his nickel and dimes, he might be able to pay for his other 3 years of school he needs.

davyd83
04-12-2011, 03:20 PM
What is the obcession with these kids playing in AHL? Who is really advising these kids that signing is the right thing. Will the NCAA and the NHL change there rules regarding college players? This is killing the sport like no other college sport.

Gee Steve, did you leave school early? You can't even spell obsession.

I have seen many players turn down that contract. Then they get hurt or don't have nearly as good of a season the next year in college. Then the offer and the money they had in their hands disappears. Often the best idea is to take the money today because it may not be there tomorrow.

LynahFan
04-12-2011, 04:15 PM
Any kid who is offered a contract upwards of $100k and turns it down to stay in school has made the correct decision, because he obviously needs to hit the books and study some economics.

This is coming from someone whose grandfathers and father all had doctorates, grandmothers and mothers all had masters degrees, and every single aunt, uncle, and first cousin has a degree (nearly all have multiple) - education is BIG in our family. But you know what? Harvard has been there for 375 years, and a pro hockey opportunity is often measured in weeks. Take the opportunity while you can!

motox
04-12-2011, 04:36 PM
Can you really blame the kids if they need the money? I mean if they stay as NCAA athletes they actually are limited in how much money they can earn at a job while in schools due to scandals in other sports :rolleyes:. We don't know each players financial position so it's not fair to judge them.

Maybe I'm not looking in the right places but I haven't found how much a typical entry level contract is? Anyone have an idea or know where you can find out?

nudgy_olsen
04-12-2011, 04:46 PM
Can you really blame the kids if they need the money? I mean if they stay as NCAA athletes they actually are limited in how much money they can earn at a job while in schools due to scandals in other sports :rolleyes:. We don't know each players financial position so it's not fair to judge them.

are you serious? its a pretty safe bet that none of them came from the ghetto. lol this isn't a kid from the projects who had to learn to rap or develop a jump shot in order to avoid selling crack. in fact, the majority of them come from money of some sort. hockey isn't cheap to begin playing, and its even more expensive to maintain playing especially if you are seeking to be the best of the best. all of them are white, generally come from cities that aren't dumps, and have parents that don't work at Subway.

SteveP
04-12-2011, 04:50 PM
Maybe I'm not looking in the right places but I haven't found how much a typical entry level contract is? Anyone have an idea or know where you can find out?

Players between the ages of 18 and 21 must sign "entry-level" contracts for their first three NHL seasons. Those aged 22-23 are entry-level players for two years, those aged 24 for a single year.

An entry-level player can earn a maximum of $850,000 per year. The limit rises throughout the agreement, to $925,000 in 2011.

Maximum entry-level salary in 2004 was $1.295 million.

http://proicehockey.about.com/od/thenewnhl/a/salary_cap_expl.htm

SteveP
04-12-2011, 04:56 PM
all of them are white, generally come from cities that aren't dumps, and have parents that don't work at Subway.

Are you serious? Grant Fuhr, Tony McKegnie, Anson Carter, Kevin Weekes and several others would disagree and might even call you a racist.

Gainzo
04-12-2011, 05:02 PM
I wish Lowell had players that left early as that would make me think that Lowell was a decent place to play some hockey and then move on. As Almington said, kids have been leaving early for a long time.

motox
04-12-2011, 05:05 PM
Players between the ages of 18 and 21 must sign "entry-level" contracts for their first three NHL seasons. Those aged 22-23 are entry-level players for two years, those aged 24 for a single year.

An entry-level player can earn a maximum of $850,000 per year. The limit rises throughout the agreement, to $925,000 in 2011.

Maximum entry-level salary in 2004 was $1.295 million.

http://proicehockey.about.com/od/thenewnhl/a/salary_cap_expl.htm

Thanks for the reply. I knew about the terms and max limits, was more wondering the size of your average entry level contract. I've found contract sizes for anyone on the NHL team but not sure if an AHL players contract is public info. Do AHL players contracts count against the salary cap and if so wouldn't they be listed for the public to see? Obviously it ranges based on the player but in general there has to be some sort of average for a kid expected to go to the AHL and serve his time in hopes to perform well and get a call up.

nudgy_olsen
04-12-2011, 05:25 PM
Are you serious? Grant Fuhr, Tony McKegnie, Anson Carter, Kevin Weekes and several others would disagree and might even call you a racist.

grant fuhr was half white, and adopted and raised by a white family in a wealthy white-only city in Alberta. woops!

mckegnie was adopted and raised by white people in the rich city of Sarnia Ontario, (hellooooo great lake$ oil drilling)

Carter was raised in rich suburban Toronto, his parents worked high up in Province Government. Weekes grew up in the same area under almost the same circumstances. I personally love Weekes, I think he's a class act.

Let's keep going this is fun.

Not that any of this matters, behind all the best hockey players is generally a check book. Like I said we're not talking about having a jump shot into a suspended milk crate in Harlem.

It has nothing to do with being racist. I'm not racist when I say that the Winter Olympics are generally just a bunch of privaleged rich white people from First World countries. Here's where you get to say "oh but what about Cool Runnings!" or maybe a rare Russian figure skater. The Winter Olympics are a joke for these same reasons. My favorite are the 17 year old pro snowboarders, who are all from Colorado, (possibly New Hampshire). Ya I'm sure they had to work real hard at their after school jobs to afford those ski resort passes to work on their skills. lol