Yale Off Season 2011

[yalebulldogfan]

Re: Yale Off Season 2011

Seemed pretty important to Yale fans from November to February.

As it should have been but that should clearly take a backseat for anybody with a heart when a beloved member of the program and community passes away at 23 after a long battle with cancer.

[jcarter7669]

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Hey.... just a thought.... on a day that the Yale Hockey community lost one of its beloved and treasured leaders, how about taking 24 hours off from your jealousy-fueled diatribes?

Well how the **** am I supposed to know. And 2.) Yalecornellharvadbrown fan brought it up.....TODAY dippy. Take a friggin chill pill and go get yourself a box of Kleenex. I am sorry for the communities loss but don't give me crap over it unless you intend to call everyone else on this thread out on, else just **** off

I would venture a guess that you are someone who couldn't get into Yale .... let alone play on its hockey team!!!

You shouldn't guess, you don't seem very good at it.

Once and for all, the kids can only line up against the players that come out of the other locker room.Oh... and this just in..... there ARE things more important than winning an NCAA championship!!!

A.) I didn't say otherwise. B.) learn to read C.) I have never made a disparaging remark of any Yale player D.) stop being dumb E.) Yale schedules the teams, not me. F.) quit being dumb G.) It's still a schedule full of cupcakes

[cornellgradyalefan]

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I brought up the constraints of the Yale schedule in a factual way. I did not attack the person who said that Yale should schedule tougher teams, and BTW, he said it in a matter of fact manner as well. You can attack Yale all you want about their schedule but the reality is that they are an Ivy League team who is not allowed to start their season until the last weekend in October whereas teams in the WCHA, CCHA, HE, and even non-Ivy ECAC teams are allowed to start their seasons at the beginning of October. This affords all of the non-Ivy D-I programs a significant advantage in terms of scheduling non-conference teams, but the Ivy League is not going to change their athletic protocol to help level the playing field for the 6 hockey teams, so those teams deal with the situation as it is.

As for the quality of the 2011-2012 non-conference opponents, BC is obviously a step up, and UMass can't be considered a weak program, even though they were down this year. And I might add, many of the critics of Yale's non-conference schedule this year were forced to eat humble pie when both CC and AF made the NCAA tournament.

You can certainly argue that SHU and UConn are not worthy competition for Yale, but they are in-state teams and there are political reasons for the top D-I hockey program in CT to schedule their in-state brethren.

The bottom line is that Yale has 5 spots on their schedule for non-conference teams whereas the teams in the WCHA,CCHA, and HE have twice that. So I guess we are going to be dealing with this tedious argument for the rest of our lives since you self-appointed critics of Yale's schedule will employ demagoguery over logic every time.

[cornellgradyalefan]

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Here is another thought. It's the off-season and Yale fans would like to use this forum to discuss our team, not fend off attacks about our schedule and the boasts of a few over-enthusiastic fans. So how about we stick to our respective team's forums and drop the insults for a while.

[Happy]

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I brought up the constraints of the Yale schedule in a factual way. I did not attack the person who said that Yale should schedule tougher teams, and BTW, he said it in a matter of fact manner as well. You can attack Yale all you want about their schedule but the reality is that they are an Ivy League team who is not allowed to start their season until the last weekend in October whereas teams in the WCHA, CCHA, HE, and even non-Ivy ECAC teams are allowed to start their seasons at the beginning of October. This affords all of the non-Ivy D-I programs a significant advantage in terms of scheduling non-conference teams, but the Ivy League is not going to change their athletic protocol to help level the playing field for the 6 hockey teams, so those teams deal with the situation as it is.

As for the quality of the 2011-2012 non-conference opponents, BC is obviously a step up, and UMass can't be considered a weak program, even though they were down this year. And I might add, many of the critics of Yale's non-conference schedule this year were forced to eat humble pie when both CC and AF made the NCAA tournament.

You can certainly argue that SHU and UConn are not worthy competition for Yale, but they are in-state teams and there are political reasons for the top D-I hockey program in CT to schedule their in-state brethren.

The bottom line is that Yale has 5 spots on their schedule for non-conference teams whereas the teams in the WCHA,CCHA, and HE have twice that. So I guess we are going to be dealing with this tedious argument for the rest of our lives since you self-appointed critics of Yale's schedule will employ demagoguery over logic every time.

and I answered you completely honest. if Yale wants to do better at the NCAAs, they still need to toughen up their schedule. Don't get mad about it, after all, at least Yale made it to the ncaa's, Minnesota played 7 games against the frozen 4 teams, and had a winning record for those games, and didn't get invited.

[Bakunin]

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The bottom line is that Yale has 5 spots on their schedule for non-conference teams whereas the teams in the WCHA,CCHA, and HE have twice that.

No they don't.
HE plays 27 conference games; the CCHA and WCHA play 28 conference games.
If a team does not play any games in Alaska to earn exemptions, that means HE teams can play seven non-conference games while CCHA and WCHA teams can play six.

[jcarter7669]

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Here is another thought. It's the off-season and Yale fans would like to use this forum to discuss our team, not fend off attacks about our schedule and the boasts of a few over-enthusiastic fans. So how about we stick to our respective team's forums and drop the insults for a while.

My post was not intended as an attack, it was an observation that Yale needs to toughen up their schedule, something even some Yale posters acknowledge. Yale has had a good team the past few years. I suspect that they will continue to do so. As such the program needs to start raising the goal, as in more success at the NCAA level. The way they can do that is through experience playing tough teams in their OOC spots. If that observation offends some posters, so be it.

As for "leaving Yale fans to their thread" in case you didn't notice this is a public forum for fans of College Hockey. If Yale fans would like a thread for only Yale fans I suggest you start one that is accessible only to Yale fans. But don't sit on a public forum open to everyone and complain that other fans are commenting on it. Other fans have an interest in other teams besides their own.

BTW, when there is no news I doubt you will see many other posters post here. The release of OOC of games usually invites some discussion. I suspect when Vermont releases their OOC schedule other fans will come and post. It's the nature of the forum. Again, if you don't like that I would suggest starting your own internet arena that is for Eli's only.

[TimU]

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Yale needs to toughen up it's schedule if it wants to succeed at the NCAAs.

That's great - and true -but it's also true that it's extremely difficult for ECAC teams to actually schedule games against some of the perennially strong programs. Like, say, the University of Minnesota for example.

[Saints#1]

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I don't know if this is true, but someone had mentioned awhile back that SLU tried to schedule games (in Canton) with BU and they (for whatever reason) turned it down. I am assuming more goes into the whole scheduling thing than just schedule whomever they want. You won't find many of the big name schools traveling to Appleton to play a non-conference game. The schedules are always conflicting which leaves little open slots to fill and usually the teams with the open games are the cupcakes because nobody wants to schedule them. So I fully understand that people think that Yale needs to schedule stronger teams, which is true, but at the same point I can see where it can be difficult going by what I stated above.

[FlagDUDE08]

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I don't know if this is true, but someone had mentioned awhile back that SLU tried to schedule games (in Canton) with BU and they (for whatever reason) turned it down. I am assuming more goes into the whole scheduling thing than just schedule whomever they want. You won't find many of the big name schools traveling to Appleton to play a non-conference game. The schedules are always conflicting which leaves little open slots to fill and usually the teams with the open games are the cupcakes because nobody wants to schedule them. So I fully understand that people think that Yale needs to schedule stronger teams, which is true, but at the same point I can see where it can be difficult going by what I stated above.

Yale shouldn't have trouble with interest given their strong showing the past couple of years. However, I think one of the biggest concerns is the Ivy rule that they can't play in October. That is when most schools schedule their NC games. Let's also add that the Ivy Shootout is pretty much a waste of 2 out of 7. Granted we're ones to talk because we typically do schedule other ECAC teams for NC games (though when you have 12 available you can usually pull it off), but unless it's a special historical showcase like the Beanpot, NC games really shouldn't be used against conference opponents unless you use it as a tune-up with your travel partner and have them available (like RPI/Union and Clarkson/SLU conveniently have).

[bulldawg21]

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From what I hear, up until now, the problem is many of the "top programs" will only come to Yale if...

#1.) the guarantee is substantial ($15,000 +)

#3.) The game is played outside the friendly confines of Ingalls Rink (Harbor Yard)

#2.) Yale heads to the "top programs'" barn twice. (This might change now that Yale is a little more successful -e.g. B.C.)

I know that the Bridgeport Soundtigers management, who is now running Harbor Yard as of last Tuesday, is extremely interested in having Yale play a non-conference game or two at Bridgeport, per season. Due to the demand for tickets, don't be surprised if you see the BC game in Bridgeport the Saturday after Thanksgiving. It's the perfect time for Yale Athletics to do it because many Yale students are still home on TG break.

[Runninwiththedogs]

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That's great - and true -but it's also true that it's extremely difficult for ECAC teams to actually schedule games against some of the perennially strong programs. Like, say, the University of Minnesota for example.

Well, don't schedule the Gophers. That's stupid. They don't travel for non-con games so you'll never get a return trip. Plus they're not even good.

[TimU]

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Well, don't schedule the Gophers. That's stupid. They don't travel for non-con games so you'll never get a return trip. Plus they're not even good.

Stupid? Same to you, *******. I know they don't schedule return games - that's part of what makes it difficult, and it was kind of my point. They're not the only big-time hockey school to have the same scheduling philosophy. It's easy to say "Schedule better teams." It's somewhat harder to do it.

[Runninwiththedogs]

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Stupid? Same to you, *******. I know they don't schedule return games - that's part of what makes it difficult, and it was kind of my point. They're not the only big-time hockey school to have the same scheduling philosophy. It's easy to say "Schedule better teams." It's somewhat harder to do it.

Jeez, you're touchy today. Sorry I didn't put 80000000000000000 smilies in my post.

tUMD just traveled to Clarkson and they're going to Providence next year. UND traveled to Cornell last year IN JANUARY and to Harvard IN DECEMBER. So, try doing research first.

[LTsatch]

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tUMD just traveled to Clarkson and they're going to Providence next year. UND traveled to Cornell last year IN JANUARY and to Harvard IN DECEMBER. So, try doing research first.

Talk about cupcake scheduling, all four of those schools tanked last year.

Why don't you guys just enjoy the upcoming weekend instead of worrying about such a lowly (in your eyes) program as Yale.