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dmjossel
04-01-2011, 12:22 AM
So does the '88 team take a backseat to the '77-'78 team which won a National Championship? They lost in the ECAC's up at Bowdoin, but since the NESCAC schools (at that time) couldn't compete for a National Championship, MC got to go and croaked Lake Forest (IL) in the final. IMHO, the '76-'77 ECAC DII championship over the Ned Harkness led Union Dutchmen with Steve Baker in net may have been the best!

I'm unable to make a direct comparison because I was too young during that season. It's hard to make comparisons between decades, and the difference between Division II, Division II/Division I Independent and Division I Hockey East only complicates things.

I think for me what nudges the '88 team to the forward is that they were straddling the gap between Division I and II at the time. They didn't have a full Division I schedule, but I think they would have done well if they had. The only league championship they were allowed to compete for, they won. They only won one round in the NCAAs-- compared to the '78 championship-- but it was the Division I tourney they were playing in, and in it, they beat the Hockey East and Beanpot champ to advance to the next round, and won the first game in the next round, against the eventual champion, at home, in what I think was their first and only home loss that year. It's hard to understate what was accomplished that season.

Yes, the '78 team won everything they could have one at the level they were competing at. The '88 team also won everything they could at that level (I'm not sure if there was a Division II national tourney that year, but even if there was, I think they could not possibly have been eligible for that tournament AND the Division I NCAA tourney) AND went further than I think just about anyone could have reasonably expected in the big dance. That's still as far as any Merrimack team has gotten in that tournament; that's two game wins and one series win, and since that time, the mark in the books is still zero NCAA tourney wins.

So this season had an awful lot of firsts, especially if you look only at the Hockey East era. All-time, though, I'd say the program still has steps to take in terms of being consistently good, and in terms of postseason achievements. I might very well take Da Costa as a player to build around over Vesey, and I'll admit that this year's team is definitely the best and deepest since '88... but if I were to pit the '88 team against this year's team, both at their peaks... I'm not sure this year's squad would win that, and my doubt there starts in net. Purely an armchair exercise, of course.

dmjossel
04-01-2011, 12:33 AM
Vesey wasnt a 21 year old freshman either......

Neither was Da Costa. He was born in November 1989 and started playing for Merrimack in October of 2009, meaning he was just barely still 19 at the start of that season, but was 20, not 21, during the bulk of his freshman season.

Vesey, born in September of '65, was 19 when he started his first season for Merrimack in 1984. So we're talking of a difference of a tiny bit less than one year, not two.

If anything, I'd think Da Costa's one year in the NAHL and two in the USHL were a bigger factor; that's about 150 more games worth of experience than Vesey would have had coming right out of high school. Merrimack has, does, and needs to go after older players. The kinds of circumstances that bring a guy like Cannata straight to Merrimack out of high school or even prep school don't happen often enough for the school to depend on.

It's really hard to make these comparisons. If you're talking about timelessness and character, about what sort of player you'd want at the core of any team-- not necessarily to play in any particular season, or in any particular league, then I can see Vesey being the choice.

On the other hand, if you're talking about Merrimack's team, in Hockey East, here and now, then I think Da Costa is the player you want if you're forced to choose. His extra experience is a bonus here, not a minus; there's no point in inventing some kind of imaginary and arbitrary meritocracy where we take points away from Vesey for playing in D2, add them for him being younger.

dmjossel
04-01-2011, 12:48 AM
didn't see this here yet...

uscho reporting that Da Costa officially signed a 2 year deal with Ottawa. Best of luck to him

http://www.uscho.com/2011/03/31/da-costa-flees-merrimack-for-ottawa-deal/

Also: classy use by USCHO of the word "flees" to refer to Da Costa's signing, where Hayes only "signs" a deal leaving BC early, and Donovan "inks" a deal leaving Denver early.

Salvo1017
04-01-2011, 07:47 AM
Also: classy use by USCHO of the word "flees" to refer to Da Costa's signing, where Hayes only "signs" a deal leaving BC early, and Donovan "inks" a deal leaving Denver early.

News and coverage wise...this site sucks plain and simple. The Hockey East writers or at least one of them is a complete bozo...only class act working for them IMO is Melissa Wade on the photos.

I get all my news from CollegeHockeyNews.

Federal League
04-01-2011, 08:47 AM
Did you ever play with/against Dennis Macauley?

No, he was too far ahead of me in years. I was in 8th grade when he was a senior in high school. Watched a lot of his games, though, and watched him quite a bit at NU, too. Was nice to see him wear the C for the Huskies. Also nice to see him represent Billerica well by being such a great agitator. :D His twin brother Ryan was a great goalie in high school, too.

Hokydad
04-01-2011, 09:04 AM
Neither was Da Costa. He was born in November 1989 and started playing for Merrimack in October of 2009, meaning he was just barely still 19 at the start of that season, but was 20, not 21, during the bulk of his freshman season.

Vesey, born in September of '65, was 19 when he started his first season for Merrimack in 1984. So we're talking of a difference of a tiny bit less than one year, not two.

If anything, I'd think Da Costa's one year in the NAHL and two in the USHL were a bigger factor; that's about 150 more games worth of experience than Vesey would have had coming right out of high school. Merrimack has, does, and needs to go after older players. The kinds of circumstances that bring a guy like Cannata straight to Merrimack out of high school or even prep school don't happen often enough for the school to depend on.

It's really hard to make these comparisons. If you're talking about timelessness and character, about what sort of player you'd want at the core of any team-- not necessarily to play in any particular season, or in any particular league, then I can see Vesey being the choice.

On the other hand, if you're talking about Merrimack's team, in Hockey East, here and now, then I think Da Costa is the player you want if you're forced to choose. His extra experience is a bonus here, not a minus; there's no point in inventing some kind of imaginary and arbitrary meritocracy where we take points away from Vesey for playing in D2, add them for him being younger.

two best players in programs history is probably a good way to leave it. Vesey was better though.... Kidding. Vesey came out of hs, SD came out of 3 years of USHL/NAHL

RENCEB
04-02-2011, 04:36 PM
Hokydad, you'll enjoy this read, especially the quote from Jack Parker:

http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1984/84155.html

Geez, I wonder which Charlestown kids he had trouble with? Fidler and Fidler, O'Callahagn, Ensign O'Neill, Billy Cotter? All seem to have done pretty well at BU (and he has yet another Townie recruit in Collier from MC)

bigeasy29
04-02-2011, 05:14 PM
DaCosta to start tonight for Ottawa he is going to Shannon line.

boblav1
04-02-2011, 05:18 PM
DaCosta to start tonight for Ottawa he is going to Shannon line.

Comcast is allowing a free sample of the NHL Center Ice and MLB packages this weekend in the southern NH. So the folks with Comcast should be able to see that game tonight.

WildShawn
04-02-2011, 07:37 PM
Comcast is allowing a free sample of the NHL Center Ice and MLB packages this weekend in the southern NH. So the folks with Comcast should be able to see that game tonight.

ch 631 here in southern NH. Da Costa is skating with Bobby Butler, and looks really fast, great hands. He's with a good team to stick in the NHL, thats for sure.

John_Fuller
04-02-2011, 07:39 PM
Comcast is allowing a free sample of the NHL Center Ice and MLB packages this weekend in the southern NH. So the folks with Comcast should be able to see that game tonight.

All of the baseball and hockey I want to see for the next week....life is good!!! :D

Didn't know there was a Canadian pronunciation of Merrimack....Hughson said "Merr-y-Mack"

Kessel just scored....wow, lots of Leafs' fans in YOW.

One more thing...how many of you get the urge and want to pick up a PS2 controller when watching Hughson and Simpson call a game.

Hokydad
04-02-2011, 08:38 PM
Hokydad, you'll enjoy this read, especially the quote from Jack Parker:

http://www.hockeydraftcentral.com/1984/84155.html

Geez, I wonder which Charlestown kids he had trouble with? Fidler and Fidler, O'Callahagn, Ensign O'Neill, Billy Cotter? All seem to have done pretty well at BU (and he has yet another Townie recruit in Collier from MC)

exactly....

thanks

Hokydad
04-03-2011, 03:53 PM
Does anyone remember who the first person on here to mention Dacosta was??

10-17-2009 12:10 PM #40 Hokydad
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PC played every bit as good in 2nd game as first game, good Job

You heard it here first, new kid at Merrimack from France is a stud. Will be one of the top F's in hockey East
I think number 24

dmjossel
04-04-2011, 01:04 AM
Does anyone remember who the first person on here to mention Dacosta was??

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PC played every bit as good in 2nd game as first game, good Job

You heard it here first, new kid at Merrimack from France is a stud. Will be one of the top F's in hockey East
I think number 24

Wow. Really? "I told you so"? You're trying to take credit for Da Costa's play at Merrimack by claiming to be the first to mention him on USCHO's forum?

Oddly enough, the Internet doesn't start and end with USCHO's forum, and I don't think there's any trophy for first mention on the forum. In fact, before Da Costa started playing nearly all the MC discussion was not on USCHO at all, but on another forum, as well as on Mike McMahon's blog.

http://warriorrinkrat.com/2009/09/

"On offense, the Warriors should have to see increased production from guys like Chris Barton, whose development continued as a sophomore last season. Rob Ricci’s graduation leaves an opportunity for someone else to step into the go-to role, and expect that to be freshman Stephane Da Costa."

"If Da Costa has the type of season I and many others believe he can have, even as a rookie, and others like Barton, Francois Ouimet, Joe Cucci, etc. can carry the offense, the Warriors could finish as high as fifth or sixth. It really depends on goal-scoring – that was Merrimack’s biggest weakness last season."

Before that, back in June 2009:

"Stephane Da Costa
Prediction: Undrafted
Nothing against Da Costa’s skills, because I think he’ll be one of the top-scorers on the team next year as a rookie (if not lead the team), but his age (he’ll turn 20 years old in July) along with his size (5-foot-10, 180 pounds) will hurt his stock with NHL clubs.

But he did score a lot of points (31g-36a-67pts in 48 games) in a very good USHL. If he goes, he’ll go late in the draft, but I think he’s a player that teams will get a look at in college and try to sign as a free agent down the road."

http://warriorrinkrat.com/2009/06/24/nhl-draft-preview/

On the same day as your post, after the previous night's game against Holy Cross:

"I don’t know any other way to say it — Stephane Da Costa, despite being held off the scoresheet, was excellent. He provides electricity every time he touches the puck. Mark it down, he will be one of the best Warriors to ever put on a uniform, without exaggeration. He creates space for himself and everyone on his line."

http://warriorrinkrat.com/2009/10/17/merrimack-3-holy-cross-1-notebook/

So, yes, the weekend after the biggest news in the Merrimack College hockey community was whether or not Da Costa would be eligible for the games against North Dakota, you boldly predicted what I think most fans hoped. You correctly predicted his emergence as a top Hockey East forward, a month after Mike correctly predicted that he'd be the team's leading scorer-- which supposes gives your prediction some points for being more far-reaching, if also less specific. Mike's was actually pretty specific, and the predictions overlap-- it's entirely possible that Da Costa could have been counted "one of the best forwards in Hockey East) without being Merrimack's top scorer, so your prediction also had a much larger margin for error because of its very low specificity.

Oh, and I suppose you also correctly guessed his jersey number... 18 hours after he'd played his first game.

If this is inside information I'd say we're all better off with Google, to say nothing of the good work done by Mike McMahon on his blog and at the Eagle Tribune, as well as Machnik and Leahy on the radio. If you want to say that the reason why McMahon and Machnik knew about Da Costa was because of information provided by you... please, be my guest.

Hokydad
04-04-2011, 10:23 AM
Bingo, we have a winner.

I knew most would take it for what it was,a joke.

Knew a couple would spend their time at 1 in the morning writing nothing, in response to nothing.

Bingo Jed, pick up your prize


I do agree though that others did write articles, after my post... They were simply waiting for the green light

JCR98
04-04-2011, 10:24 AM
Any predictions on how the team might do next season? I see a lot of discussion about players, but is the core of the team still left and want about the question in net?

I would also love to get the discussion headed more in the direction of next year. Looks like we have some promising freshmen coming in -- MD has definitely upped the level of recruit since the Serino era (error) -- but still so many questions around who's leaving and who's staying from the underclassmen to really know what the squad will ultimately end up looking like.

It's been great the last two years knowing that MC's offense was top-notch, especially after reflecting on the lean years (37 goals in an entire season, was that 2005...?) and I wonder where the offense will come next season with the departures of Barton and Da Costa.

I think we'll still be in the hunt for home ice and an NCAA bid if Cannata returns. He was hit or miss toward the end of the season, but I attribute that to either fatigue or perhaps an undisclosed nagging injury (there were a few games toward the end of the season where he went down and was shaken up... any one of those could have "tweaked" something... or I could just be making excuses... ;) )

PC91
04-04-2011, 12:01 PM
Bingo, we have a winner.

I knew most would take it for what it was,a joke.

Knew a couple would spend their time at 1 in the morning writing nothing, in response to nothing.

Bingo Jed, pick up your prize


I do agree though that others did write articles, after my post... They were simply waiting for the green light

TOTAL BS!!! You got called out so just deal with it. It's your MO. You were trying to take credit and got called on the carpet for it. Man up and quit being such a fraud.

You were joking??? Right. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

BTW You can all read another example of his self adulation on the BC thread, post #284, when he "jokes" again by quoting himself predicting BC's loss to CC.

Do hurry if you want to read it! Another part of his MO is to delete incriminating posts so he can cover his tracks. :p

WarriorDJ
04-04-2011, 06:14 PM
I think we'll still be in the hunt for home ice and an NCAA bid if Cannata returns. He was hit or miss toward the end of the season, but I attribute that to either fatigue or perhaps an undisclosed nagging injury (there were a few games toward the end of the season where he went down and was shaken up... any one of those could have "tweaked" something... or I could just be making excuses... ;) )
I like the enthusiasm, but I'm not sure about home ice and an NCAA bid. I think over the next five years, we will find out what a special group of players this 10-11 class was. I think home ice is a nice goal, but I will be honest that I really don't expect it. We still have a strong core of players returning (so far) but I feel like this would have to be one very productive freshman class for us to have similar success on 11-12.

Perhaps I will eat my own words a year from now, but I just feel like this season was so special that it will be tough to duplicate...

Hokydad
04-04-2011, 08:39 PM
anyone know what Penn State and MC have in common?

dmjossel
04-04-2011, 11:55 PM
Bingo, we have a winner.

I knew most would take it for what it was,a joke.

The word you're looking for is "troll". Jokes are humorous.


Knew a couple would spend their time at 1 in the morning writing nothing, in response to nothing.

Here's a newsflash: not everybody lives in the same timezone as you. If it was nothing, why bother posting it in the first place?


Bingo Jed, pick up your prize

I do agree though that others did write articles, after my post... They were simply waiting for the green light

Nearly everything I cited was written before your post. The idea that anybody is waiting for your green light to an express an opinion on anything is insulting.


anyone know what Penn State and MC have in common?

They're both putting you back on the ignore list? Oh, wait... that's me.