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    As some of you may or may not know, I have a formula which I used a few years ago to rank the championship teams of All-time ('93 Maine came out on top). I then used that same formula to rank the best teams to not win the championship ('98 Michigan State came out on top). I have now used that same formula to rank the NCAA Field. These rankings will obviously change by the end of the year depending on who ultimately prevails, but I thought I would post what I came up with before the NCAA Tournament Starts...

    1. North Dakota - 166.632 points
    2. Boston College - 147.844 points
    3. Miami - 118.266 points
    4. Michigan - 106.65 points
    5. Yale - 104.311 points
    6. Union - 89.704 points
    7. Merrimack - 73.588 points
    8. Denver - 72.868 points
    9. Notre Dame - 68.781 points
    10. New Hampshire - 59.973 points
    11. Minnesota Duluth - 50.469 points
    12. Nebraska Omaha - 48.383 points
    13. Air Force - 39.982 points
    14. Colorado College - 38.754 points
    15. Western Michigan - 34.958 points
    16. Rensselaer - 31.546 points

    If you look at add up points by regional you get...

    East Regional: 284.466
    Midwest Regional: 306.004
    West Regional: 341.631
    Northeast Regional: 320.608

    As expected, the "Region of Death" is the most difficult.

    My formula looks at a variety of different aspects, including success/failure in conference play, non-conference play, and overall play, strength of schedule (largely against other NCAA Tournament Teams), and goal differential by game (ie. beating Tech by 10 is worth less than beating Denver by any amount). Since it looks at record/goal differential against NCAA Tournament Teams, it is only able to rank teams after the NCAA Tournament field is announced.

    If you would like, I can plug in your team that did not make the tournament and give you their point ranking. Keep in mind, it is very possible to have a negative point ranking if you did not perform very well.
    North Dakota
    National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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    Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

    Hey FS 23, if you have access to your older reports, where did the 96-97 Michigan team rank relative to the 97-98 Michigan State team?

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    • #3
      Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

      Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
      As some of you may or may not know, I have a formula which I used a few years ago to rank the championship teams of All-time ('93 Maine came out on top). I then used that same formula to rank the best teams to not win the championship ('98 Michigan State came out on top). I have now used that same formula to rank the NCAA Field. These rankings will obviously change by the end of the year depending on who ultimately prevails, but I thought I would post what I came up with before the NCAA Tournament Starts...

      1. North Dakota - 166.632 points
      2. Boston College - 147.844 points
      3. Miami - 118.266 points
      4. Michigan - 106.65 points
      5. Yale - 104.311 points
      6. Union - 89.704 points
      7. Merrimack - 73.588 points
      8. Denver - 72.868 points
      9. Notre Dame - 68.781 points
      10. New Hampshire - 59.973 points
      11. Minnesota Duluth - 50.469 points
      12. Nebraska Omaha - 48.383 points
      13. Air Force - 39.982 points
      14. Colorado College - 38.754 points
      15. Western Michigan - 34.958 points
      16. Rensselaer - 31.546 points

      If you look at add up points by regional you get...

      East Regional: 284.466
      Midwest Regional: 306.004
      West Regional: 341.631
      Northeast Regional: 320.608

      As expected, the "Region of Death" is the most difficult.

      My formula looks at a variety of different aspects, including success/failure in conference play, non-conference play, and overall play, strength of schedule (largely against other NCAA Tournament Teams), and goal differential by game (ie. beating Tech by 10 is worth less than beating Denver by any amount). Since it looks at record/goal differential against NCAA Tournament Teams, it is only able to rank teams after the NCAA Tournament field is announced.

      If you would like, I can plug in your team that did not make the tournament and give you their point ranking. Keep in mind, it is very possible to have a negative point ranking if you did not perform very well.
      How is Union not #26?

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      • #4
        Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

        Originally posted by alnike View Post
        Hey FS 23, if you have access to your older reports, where did the 96-97 Michigan team rank relative to the 97-98 Michigan State team?
        '97-'98 Michigan State - 211.557 points
        '96-'97 Michigan - 169.458 points
        North Dakota
        National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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        • #5
          Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
          How is Union not #26?
          They are #26
          North Dakota
          National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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          • #6
            Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

            How is Air Force 13th? Oh, right. Weak AHA.

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            • #7
              Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

              Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
              '97-'98 Michigan State - 211.557 points
              '96-'97 Michigan - 169.458 points
              FS23, can you do 95-96, 98-99 and 02-03 for CC?

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              • #8
                Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

                Originally posted by dave29 View Post
                How is Air Force 13th? Oh, right. Weak AHA.
                I do have a conference strength component in the formula that applies to the points earned for conference play. However, that component isn't figured out until after the NCAA Tournament.
                North Dakota
                National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                • #9
                  Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

                  Originally posted by dave29 View Post
                  FS23, can you do 95-96, 98-99 and 02-03 for CC?
                  Here are the CC teams that I already had...

                  '04-'05 - 187.337
                  '02-'03 - 178.641
                  '95-'96 - 144.136
                  '56-'57 - 133.323*
                  '49-'50 - 59.92*

                  *When I originally ranked teams, I split them into eras. The First Era was pre-conference, which the '49-'50 team fell into. The second was from early 50's through about 1981, which the '57 team fell into. Basically, those teams didn't have the chance to play as many NCAA Tournament teams because there were only 4 (sometimes 5) teams that made the tournament. Therefore, those point values should be looked at compared to their eras as opposed to the more modern eras.

                  EDIT: If you would really like, I can take some time next week and figure out the '98-'99 team's point ranking.
                  North Dakota
                  National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

                    Can you compare the current BC team with the '08 and '10 Champions?
                    BOSTON COLLEGE EAGLES: 2010 2008 2001 1949

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

                      Originally posted by jamie9248922 View Post
                      Can you compare the current BC team with the '08 and '10 Champions?
                      Sure.

                      '10-'11 - 147.844
                      '09-'10 - 116.67
                      '07-'08 - 82.97

                      And also, just for the curious...

                      '00-'01 - 192.217
                      Of the Boston College teams that I have ranked, this is their best team.
                      North Dakota
                      National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

                        Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                        Here are the CC teams that I already had...

                        '04-'05 - 187.337
                        '02-'03 - 178.641
                        '95-'96 - 144.136
                        '56-'57 - 133.323*
                        '49-'50 - 59.92*

                        *When I originally ranked teams, I split them into eras. The First Era was pre-conference, which the '49-'50 team fell into. The second was from early 50's through about 1981, which the '57 team fell into. Basically, those teams didn't have the chance to play as many NCAA Tournament teams because there were only 4 (sometimes 5) teams that made the tournament. Therefore, those point values should be looked at compared to their eras as opposed to the more modern eras.

                        EDIT: If you would really like, I can take some time next week and figure out the '98-'99 team's point ranking.
                        Cool. Thanks!

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

                          Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                          They are #26
                          Well played.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

                            Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                            Sure.

                            '10-'11 - 147.844
                            '09-'10 - 116.67
                            '07-'08 - 82.97

                            And also, just for the curious...

                            '00-'01 - 192.217
                            Of the Boston College teams that I have ranked, this is their best team.
                            So would it be safe to assume that if BC doesn't win it all this year that it may be simply because the field was stronger this year? Or is there a way to compare the overall strength of the 09-10 field with the 10-11?
                            Hockeyenthusiast

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                            -I saw Andy McDonald play at Starr Rink.

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                            • #15
                              Re: The Best Teams of 2010-2011 (Pre-NCAA)

                              Originally posted by hockeyenthusiast View Post
                              So would it be safe to assume that if BC doesn't win it all this year that it may be simply because the field was stronger this year? Or is there a way to compare the overall strength of the 09-10 field with the 10-11?
                              I would agree that last year's field was not quite as good as this year's field. The other top teams last year were Denver and Miami. Denver was ranked with 116.477 points, while Miami was a little stronger with 149.293 points. North Dakota ranked in at 70.292 points last year. This year we already have 5 teams over 100 points, and 8 above the 70 point marker, and the tournament hasn't even finished. Last year at this time, BC wasn't even over 100 points, only Denver, Wisconsin (135.4468) and Miami were.
                              North Dakota
                              National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016

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