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bronconick
03-17-2012, 05:50 AM
How far out of the way is Buffalo for you guys? Granted, you're running the risk of looking like the CCHA @ JLA on TV for those games, but if you're looking for marketing, at least Pegula has the right attitude toward college hockey right now with his giving PSU $88 million and getting involved in the discussions at UBuffalo when they momentarily discussed going to D1.

FlagDUDE08
03-17-2012, 05:56 AM
When I discovered that the games today are not being televised (and I would have to drive down to Atlantic City to see the finals) it reminded of this thread from last year.

Anybody have any new ideas about where the tournament should be held?

Any reports from Atlantic City?

Televising the ECAC doesn't have much to do with this. You could put it in the top seed's rink, and we'd still be complaining. Quite frankly, if the league isn't going to work with the venue to advertise the heck out of an event that is supposed to be their cash cow for the year, then of course we're going to see ****poor attendance like we've seen the past 10 years. Even if you have to work indirectly with the host school and provide them some money (or commissioned financial incentive above the norm for each team) to work with the venue to do some advertising so you actually get butts in the seats. I mean, if the league can work logistics for a league schedule so far in advance, you'd think they'd be able to also do this.

FlagDUDE08
03-17-2012, 06:05 AM
How far out of the way is Buffalo for you guys? Granted, you're running the risk of looking like the CCHA @ JLA on TV for those games, but if you're looking for marketing, at least Pegula has the right attitude toward college hockey right now with his giving PSU $88 million and getting involved in the discussions at UBuffalo when they momentarily discussed going to D1.

The closest school is Cornell, and even then it's a couple hours away. However, I like your thinking in that you'd be working with someone that actually wants to promote hockey. I mean, how else does a school like RIT sell out a 10,000-capacity building for a non-conference game? We could sure use a lesson from these two examples and pony up some money for this effort. I realize it's tough to do because you almost need a guarantee for the ADs that it will be profitable, and there will be rooting interest for the local crowds (probably why in the CJHL playoffs the host team is automatically in, similar to how the World Cup works), not to mention affordable ticket prices (that's going to be tough for playoffs, as they typically jack it up to cover the guarantee).

Eph72
03-17-2012, 07:49 AM
I agree with everybody who says the main thing is to promote the games. In some respects it shouldn't matter where the tournament is located as long as its properly promoted, which includes generating local interest, alumni interest and, yes, a national tv contract. And as long as its not in AC, which really is a joke.

Albany is the most central location, but Albany itself is not much of a draw and is one of the smaller possible metro areas. Also, if we are only realistically going to draw 5 thousand max, the building is too big. But, all things considered, it may be the best choice.

I like the idea of Glens Falls, too. Its almost as central as Albany and has a smaller building (a good thing). I like the idea behind Buffalo, too (big hockey town and possible sincere interest in promotion), but its probably too far away for many fans.

I am sentimental about Lake Placid, and always enjoy going there. I do share the worry about the size of the sheet and its relative remoteness. I would note that Amherst and Oswego drew 3100 to the Herb Brooks rink yesterday for a D-3 semi-final game...(Based on photographs, I don't think there were nearly that many actual bodies in Atlantic City yesterday).

My personal favorite would be Bridgeport (because we live in Fairfield County). But Bridgeport may be problematic if they have an NCAA Regional a week later. An advantage of Bridgeport is the possibility of tapping into the large numbers of alumni who live in and around NY metro.

My second choice (for convenience reasons) would be Hartford although that's another huge building that looks empty with 5 thousand fans.

What do you guys think of holding the tournament in Quinnipiac's new building? Its a beautiful new building, its small enough to fill up and its just off the I-95 corridor and near NYC metro. The guys at Quinnipiac know how to promote, too. Just look at how they have grown both the school's athletics and academic profile over the last decade or so.

A couple of other ideas I've been thinking about include expanding the tournament to 5 or 6 to increase both fan interest and the number of games and synching up with the women's tournament (would double the number of teams and games). Both would expand the potential fan base (all from ECAC schools).

vicb
03-17-2012, 08:21 AM
A couple of other ideas I've been thinking about include expanding the tournament to 5 or 6 to increase both fan interest and the number of games and synching up with the women's tournament (would double the number of teams and games). Both would expand the potential fan base (all from ECAC schools).

When the tourney was in Lake Placid for a few years they did have a play in game on the Thursday of the weekend. Got rid of it (did not draw much more) and went to the current format.

TchrBill
03-17-2012, 08:52 AM
You're partially right that the teams matter. I don't at all understand why Union (despite it's President's musings) as a pretty decent sports school, doesn't travel well. Princeton can't even sell out a home game at Hobey Baker unless it's against Yale.

I posted this on the CCT threads earlier. I was in AC on Wednesday and I saw a huge billboard on the Expressway coming into AC that was half devoted to the A10 finals and half the ECAC Championships. I thought to myself, "Self, they're actually marketing this thing." Then I proceeded into AC and could not find one person or venue besides the box office that knew anything about any college hockey games coming to AC. In fact, I found a gal wearing a Union shirt and she didn't even know that UC was in a hockey tournament, much less that it was going to be right there in AC.

Easily the biggest laugh I've had on here! And that's a Union fan for you ;)

If we're considering AC or Boston, why not head west and consider Rochester? Can you do some research, Eph? Seems like a decent city. Hate the idea of driving south for ice hockey (my apologies to defunct Alabama-Huntsville). The fact that it's in Jersey is not a draw for me.

Like the idea of Boston - it's a true, hockey town and could even get some HE supporters to come and watch. Nothing beats the magic of Lake Placid. Always went to Albany and hated the atmosphere, but I was there to watch my team...plain and simple...and Albany was practical and affordable...plain and simple. Can't have everything...and this year that apparently includes a tv contract.

Colgate Fan
03-17-2012, 09:12 AM
When I heard the tournament was leaving Albany, I was hoping for Newark at The Rock. It's not MSG, but it's an NHL arena and it's close enough to New York City. Has anyone been there? You would think Lou would help out college hockey and the arena coulduse another event. Plus I bet Newark would do a better job of promoting it.

Complete this statement when talking to your wife/significant other....

Well, _____ has advanced to the ECAC Championship Weekend. Let's go to _______ next weekend and see the games.

I think the only locations that would fill that statement are New York and Boston. I'm sure the league wouldn't be able to get MSG, so I think Newark would be the next best location around NYC. If not that, go back to Boston even if they had to play the semifinals on Thursday and the championship game earlier on Saturday. There's plenty of fanatics like myself who would probably go to both tournaments.

redhead18
03-17-2012, 09:17 AM
I like the idea of Glens Falls, too. Its almost as central as Albany and has a smaller building (a good thing).For what its worth, something else the GFCC has to offer is a 7000 sqft catered banquet hall located under the same roof. I believe it divides up into six different sections, which would be perfect for team/fan get togethers before, after and in between games, something I missed when the tournament left LP. Perhaps the league could also get a deal with discounted room rates at Six Flags Great Escape Lodge (http://www.sixflagsgreatescapelodge.com/) just 10 minutes away, which would be fun for families.

As for bringing in another team to the finals, personally im all for it. Id like to see the league return to the old playoff format with the 4-5 play-in game on Thursday, I think it adds a little more meaning to regular season games when only 10/12 teams qualify for the playoffs.

LTsatch
03-17-2012, 09:33 AM
When I heard the tournament was leaving Albany, I was hoping for Newark at The Rock. It's not MSG, but it's an NHL arena and it's close enough to New York City. Has anyone been there? You would think Lou would help out college hockey and the arena coulduse another event. Plus I bet Newark would do a better job of promoting it.

Complete this statement when talking to your wife/significant other....

Well, _____ has advanced to the ECAC Championship Weekend. Let's go to _______ next weekend and see the games.

I think the only locations that would fill that statement are New York and Boston. I'm sure the league wouldn't be able to get MSG, so I think Newark would be the next best location around NYC. If not that, go back to Boston even if they had to play the semifinals on Thursday and the championship game earlier on Saturday. There's plenty of fanatics like myself who would probably go to both tournaments.

The only real reason for any sane person to go to Newark is to use the airport.

hockeyplayer1015
03-17-2012, 10:15 AM
Doesn't Atlantic Hockey use the Blue Cross Arena in Rochester for their tourney?

Patman
03-17-2012, 10:30 AM
When I heard the tournament was leaving Albany, I was hoping for Newark at The Rock. It's not MSG, but it's an NHL arena and it's close enough to New York City. Has anyone been there? You would think Lou would help out college hockey and the arena coulduse another event. Plus I bet Newark would do a better job of promoting it.


Lou could care less... after what he tried to do to the Lowell program 5 years ago I think he's shown everybody he's a part of the organization and not the hockey community.

unionbob
03-17-2012, 12:06 PM
Maybe the talk should not focus so much on a venue as much as changes in the front office

Comish should be talking anywhere and everywhere...papers of teams in tournament...news stations....radio stations...
In Unions case he could have made an appearance to present the Cleary Cup....
The officiating needs work and that starts at the top..
The top brass need to be and should be ambassadors and they are not...

mookie1995
03-17-2012, 12:12 PM
you have a team in providence.........

rdf8585
03-17-2012, 12:30 PM
Maybe the talk should not focus so much on a venue as much as changes in the front office

Comish should be talking anywhere and everywhere...papers of teams in tournament...news stations....radio stations...
In Unions case he could have made an appearance to present the Cleary Cup....
The officiating needs work and that starts at the top..
The top brass need to be and should be ambassadors and they are not...

I agree. Hagwell should have been there to present his league's trophy to the champion.

DrDemento
03-17-2012, 12:42 PM
When I heard the tournament was leaving Albany, I was hoping for Newark at The Rock. It's not MSG, but it's an NHL arena and it's close enough to New York City. Has anyone been there? You would think Lou would help out college hockey and the arena coulduse another event. Plus I bet Newark would do a better job of promoting it.

Complete this statement when talking to your wife/significant other....

Well, _____ has advanced to the ECAC Championship Weekend. Let's go to _______ next weekend and see the games.

I think the only locations that would fill that statement are New York and Boston. I'm sure the league wouldn't be able to get MSG, so I think Newark would be the next best location around NYC. If not that, go back to Boston even if they had to play the semifinals on Thursday and the championship game earlier on Saturday. There's plenty of fanatics like myself who would probably go to both tournaments.

We live an hour from the Rock and we avoid driving there like we would the plague. I would think it would be one of the poorest choices. Newark is not exactly a hockey town or a resort by any means. We are 45 minutes from AC-and AC just does not work. Given the current 12 teams in the ECAC and trying to have the tournament somewhere reachable for all the fans- My first vote if it was even remotely possible would be MSG(realizing that is not in the mix though) then Albany and then Lake Placid.

rdf8585
03-17-2012, 12:47 PM
you have a team in providence.........

True, but one that isn't supported very well. Brown has the fourth biggest enrollment in the ECAC but can barely fill half their rink and average under 1400 a game.

mookie1995
03-17-2012, 01:00 PM
True, but one that isn't supported very well. Brown has the fourth biggest enrollment in the ECAC but can barely fill half their rink and average under 1400 a game.

nice city. arena that has held frozen fours (but is now too small). many hotels downtown walkable to arena. neat neighborhoods for eating before/after. airport. drivable. things to do.

if hea decided to leave boston and go to providence i would not complain.

..and the 'team' being there wasn't so much that they would draw, but that it is familiar and not atlantic city :p

UnionHockeyManiac
03-17-2012, 01:32 PM
As much as I hate the NJ Nets, I actually think the Barclays Center in Brooklyn would be the best option. It would be good because...

1. New York City (TON of alumni, great destination, etc)
2. Seating Capacity of 14,500 (a little too big, but not HUGE)
3. Gettable (MSG would be awesome, but I don't think it can be pulled off)
4. New arena, nice facility

-1 hour from Princeton
-1.5 hours from Yale and Quinnipiac
-3 hours from Union and RPI
-3.5 hours from Brown
-4 hours from Cornell, Harvard, Colgate
-4.5 hours from Dartmouth
-7 hours from St. Lawrence and Clarkson (sorry...)

Has anyone come up with a reason why it wouldn't be good?

Eph72
03-17-2012, 02:14 PM
...

If we're considering AC or Boston, why not head west and consider Rochester? Can you do some research, Eph? Seems like a decent city.

...

Sure. I calculated average distances and size of 14 metro areas last year and am pasting the results below with Rochester added:

The figures below are (i) the sum of the total distances between each of fifteen possible cities and the twelve ECAC teams; (ii) divided by 12 (to obtain the average distance between possible venue and ECAC team; (iii) the number of ECAC teams which are within 200 miles (approx 3 hour drive) of the venue in parentheses; and (iv) the population of the metropolitan area in which the venue lies.

Albany 1614 miles/12=134.5 miles (12 teams) 825,000 metro pop.
Springfield 1810/12=150.8 (9) 680,000
Glens Falls 1882/12=156.83 (9) 124,000
Hartford 1893/12=157.75 (8) 1,148,000
Bridgeport 2081/12=173.4 (7) 882,000
Worcester 2094/12=174.5 (7) 750,000
Mohegan Sun 2241/12=186.75 (8) 18,546
Binghamton 2289/12=190.75 (5) 252,320
Syracuse 2315/12=192.9 (6) 650,154
Providence 2322/12=193.5 (7) 621,000
New York City 2341/12=195 (6) 18,000,000
Boston 2393/12=199.4 (7) 4,391,000
Lake Placid 2416/12=201.3 (6) 2,638
Rochester 3240/12=270 (3) 1,054,322
Atlantic City 3591/12=299.25 (1) 252,552

If you take 200 miles as an arbitrary cut off (3 hours drive at 67 mph), all except Rochester and Atlantic City qualify (LP is only slightly over).

Albany is within 200 miles of all teams. From this perspective it is the ideal location.

Glens Falls is within 200 miles of 9 schools and closer than all except Albany and Springfield.

Mohegan Sun is a bit further than Hartford, Bridgeport and Worcester, but it is within 200 miles of 8 schools, more than Bridgeport and Worcester.

Interestingly, Syracuse and Providence, on opposite ends of the ECAC map, are about equidistant on average from the 12 schools and are in similar sized metro areas, although Providence would probably benefit from being nearly adjacent to the Boston metro area. Both Boston and New York are at the outer limits, but both might have the advantage of better air and rail service than some of the other locations.

bothman
03-17-2012, 04:23 PM
Albany had its chance. It failed. The city could have cared less.

Why are people still bringing up Albany?