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LTsatch
03-26-2012, 11:37 PM
Apparently not much support for hockey in Atlantic City. Just off the phone with my cousins daughter. She and her boyfriend just spent the weekend in Atlantic City and she was not even aware that the hockey was there. No signs, notices, bulletins. I would guess the hotels want to discourage ant activity other than feeding coins into the slots. To stay in major hotel with no notice just seems odd

That was two weekends ago, correct?

Jasma
03-27-2012, 11:14 AM
How does Albany make the most sense? The tournament was there for several years and the city could have cared less.

Not sure how everyone else feels, but having the ECAC hockey tourney is an honor and we should choose a city that views it as such.

Albany had its chance and it failed to deliver. So we moved to Atlantic City which also failed to deliver. What city is next? Providence? Lake Placid?

Let's have an auction and see which city is ready to step up its game!

They had the auction and AC won by bidding the most. It appears that Providence may be the next city to pony up. Albany makes the most sense because of its location. It is centrally located, has a suitable facility, a lot of local media attention and plenty of places to eat and drink within a two mile radius. The main drawback is the lack of a quality, full-service hotel downtown. The arena, city, county and the ECAC did not do enough to promote the event when it was in Albany and that is a significant issue. The ECAC seems to be run on a shoe string, so don't expect them to promote the tournament very aggressively no matter where it is held. I agree that Providence, Syracuse and perhaps Bridgeport would likely do a better job of selling the event.

It still all comes down to which teams are in the field. Cornell, RPI and Clarkson are the biggest draws in the ECAC if you get two of those teams to the semi-finals, you will have crowds. If you don't get at least two of those teams, the crowds will be small.

Jasma
03-27-2012, 11:18 AM
Utica building holds 3,800. there are some great restaurants in Utica, but no strip or block of bars within a mile or so of the arena. Also, despite drawing 2,500 a games for Div III Utica college, there is not a D I following there. I also think decent downtown hotels at decnet price could be a problem.

FlagDUDE08
03-27-2012, 11:23 AM
Utica building holds 3,800. there are some great restaurants in Utica, but no strip or block of bars within a mile or so of the arena. Also, despite drawing 2,500 a games for Div III Utica college, there is not a D I following there. I also think decent downtown hotels at decnet price could be a problem.

When was the last time you drove through Utica? I sure as heck wouldn't want to spend a weekend there...

bothman
03-27-2012, 12:24 PM
They had the auction and AC won by bidding the most. It appears that Providence may be the next city to pony up. Albany makes the most sense because of its location. It is centrally located, has a suitable facility, a lot of local media attention and plenty of places to eat and drink within a two mile radius. The main drawback is the lack of a quality, full-service hotel downtown. The arena, city, county and the ECAC did not do enough to promote the event when it was in Albany and that is a significant issue. The ECAC seems to be run on a shoe string, so don't expect them to promote the tournament very aggressively no matter where it is held. I agree that Providence, Syracuse and perhaps Bridgeport would likely do a better job of selling the event.

It still all comes down to which teams are in the field. Cornell, RPI and Clarkson are the biggest draws in the ECAC if you get two of those teams to the semi-finals, you will have crowds. If you don't get at least two of those teams, the crowds will be small.

To me, it has nothing to do with the crowds. No one can predict which teams will be in the semi-finals on a year in, year out basis. If I had to guess next years semis based on who is returning - it would include Cornell, Union, Harvard, and TBD.

It has to do with the city and to what extent they want to stand beside ECAC hockey and host a tremendous weekend. Advertising, things going on in and outside the arena, deals at local bars and eateries, etc. Obviously, having enough lodging capactiy near the arena is critical.

You are also right about the ECAC which is why the city's support becomes paramount.

Skate79
03-29-2012, 01:24 PM
What is it say about the ECAC as a conference that they can't seem to find a locale that has even a remote interest in promoting the tournament? Sad really. I'm old enough to remember the tournament at the Garden and while it wasn't often a total sellout, the place was filled enough and loud enough to make it a really great weekend.

The Bridgeport rink is close to Amtrak and has plenty of nearby parking. Good hotels nearby. Hartford might also be an option. But the conference has to decide whether it wants to be a player or an also-ran. Right now, they take a back seat to just about everyone and the problems with the conference tournament doesn't help.

ZYanksRule
03-29-2012, 02:00 PM
What is it say about the ECAC as a conference that they can't seem to find a locale that has even a remote interest in promoting the tournament? Sad really. I'm old enough to remember the tournament at the Garden and while it wasn't often a total sellout, the place was filled enough and loud enough to make it a really great weekend.

The Bridgeport rink is close to Amtrak and has plenty of nearby parking. Good hotels nearby. Hartford might also be an option. But the conference has to decide whether it wants to be a player or an also-ran. Right now, they take a back seat to just about everyone and the problems with the conference tournament doesn't help.

Since when does a building do the lion's share of the promoting for an event?

The league is the problem. The ECAC barely promotes the thing. How do people know it's going on, when the league all but hides where the tournament is located?

ECAC needs a promotional budget. That's the only way it's going to work, no matter where they put the thing.

FlagDUDE08
03-29-2012, 03:11 PM
Since when does a building do the lion's share of the promoting for an event?

The league is the problem. The ECAC barely promotes the thing. How do people know it's going on, when the league all but hides where the tournament is located?

ECAC needs a promotional budget. That's the only way it's going to work, no matter where they put the thing.

The building does a share of the promoting for an event when they have a share in the profits (and I'm not talking about building usage fees).

Given the ECAC's website is SO out of date (at least in terms of the links, they obviously put up news blurbs as they come), they do need some help with promotion.

Skate79
03-31-2012, 09:22 PM
Since when does a building do the lion's share of the promoting for an event?

The league is the problem. The ECAC barely promotes the thing. How do people know it's going on, when the league all but hides where the tournament is located?

ECAC needs a promotional budget. That's the only way it's going to work, no matter where they put the thing.

Where in my post did I say that the building does "the lion's share of the promoting" for an event? How about reading the post first? My problem with the tournament is their inability to find a locale that can put on a good show and create buzz about the tournament. That includes the building but it does not mean the building is responsible for the majority of promotion.

Yes, the league is the problem. No kidding. Since Joe Bertagna left for HE, the conference has really slipped and is now a second rate league. No way around it.

ExtendedForecast
04-01-2012, 02:26 PM
Has anyone mentioned new Barclays center in Brooklyn? In its hockey config it seats 14,500 - AND its new permenant home for NYCs Disney on Ice show! Lol. The spot is so easy tranportation wise. Its on top of the LIRR terminal - intended to woo Islanders fans (but of course there is a fantastic hockey culture out there.) Its also accessible via express subway to Metro North, Amtrak and all of NJ transit. Once you land in NYC at any of the transport hubs, its a 15-20 minute straight shot to the doors of the area. There's excellent dining choices (Brooklyns restaraunt row is next door) and good hotels like Aloft, Botiques, Holiday Inn express and full service ones like the Marriot, Sheraton etc within walking distance of the arena. The best hockey bar in the city is 4 blocks away.

And of course my house is a five minute walk from there hence my lobbying. I have a sick back yard and would love to throw a kegger for Union fans!

Kepler
04-01-2012, 05:18 PM
It is pretty remarkable that if you plot the geographical center of the conference it's practically the TUC. It may actually be within the Albany city limits.

I hated Albany at first, but all the problems it had (promotion, hotel space, hotel rates, attendance) will have to be overcome at any other building. AC was an interesting experiment but it failed. Albany's really the best choice.

css228
04-01-2012, 05:26 PM
Has anyone mentioned new Barclays center in Brooklyn? In its hockey config it seats 14,500 - AND its new permenant home for NYCs Disney on Ice show! Lol. The spot is so easy tranportation wise. Its on top of the LIRR terminal - intended to woo Islanders fans (but of course there is a fantastic hockey culture out there.) Its also accessible via express subway to Metro North, Amtrak and all of NJ transit. Once you land in NYC at any of the transport hubs, its a 15-20 minute straight shot to the doors of the area. There's excellent dining choices (Brooklyns restaraunt row is next door) and good hotels like Aloft, Botiques, Holiday Inn express and full service ones like the Marriot, Sheraton etc within walking distance of the arena. The best hockey bar in the city is 4 blocks away.

And of course my house is a five minute walk from there hence my lobbying. I have a sick back yard and would love to throw a kegger for Union fans!

You'd probably be counting on a huge Cornell crowd. I'd like it, but its probably too big,

FlagDUDE08
04-01-2012, 09:17 PM
You'd probably be counting on a huge Cornell crowd. I'd like it, but its probably too big,

Or he's trying to be able to have a short commute, similar to my suggestion (although I see some actual league benefits out of mine).

joecct
04-01-2012, 10:29 PM
Too bad the men can't do what the women do. Play semis on campus on Thursday then final at the higher survivor on Saturday. Since its not televised.....

Veritas
04-01-2012, 11:17 PM
That was two weekends ago, correct?

Sorry I was unclear, St Patricks day weekend 16-19th was when they were there. They are Bruins fans and I would expect they would notice publicity about hockey if it was there. I forget what hotel they were in.

FlagDUDE08
04-02-2012, 09:03 AM
Do specific schools sponsor the ECAC tournament, or is that just the NCAA regionals where that happens?

MarkEagleUSA
04-02-2012, 09:30 AM
Do specific schools sponsor the ECAC tournament, or is that just the NCAA regionals where that happens?I believe it's strictly a league function.

Eph72
04-02-2012, 04:30 PM
It is pretty remarkable that if you plot the geographical center of the conference it's practically the TUC. It may actually be within the Albany city limits.

I hated Albany at first, but all the problems it had (promotion, hotel space, hotel rates, attendance) will have to be overcome at any other building. AC was an interesting experiment but it failed. Albany's really the best choice.


It looks like the geographic center of the 12 ECAC schools is about a mile south of the City of Albany's southern boundary...

Link: http://www.geomidpoint.com/?ml=42.596963&mn=-73.7530942&l=44.595616|44.669781|42.814243|42.728412|42.44396 1|42.827014|40.357298|41.383878|41.308153|41.82398 9|42.373616|43.702245&n=-75.169094|-74.981308|-73.939569|-73.691785|-76.501881|-75.544624|-74.667223|-72.902606|-72.928158|-71.412834|-71.109733|-72.289553&a=Canton,+NY+13617,+USA|Potsdam,+NY+13676,+USA|Sch enectady,+NY,+USA|Troy,+NY,+USA|Ithaca,+NY,+USA|Ha milton,+NY+13346,+USA|Princeton,+NJ,+USA|Hamden,+C T,+USA|New+Haven,+CT,+USA|Providence,+RI,+USA|Mid-Cambridge,+MA,+USA|Hanover,+NH,+USA&cl=42.51354&cn=-73.80581&z=6&x=0&c=0&p=1&r=1&w=0

rdf8585
04-03-2012, 01:25 PM
State basketball tourney to remain in GF through at least 2016 - http://poststar.com/news/local/state-boys-basketball-tournament-to-stay-in-glens-falls-through/article_d790d18e-7db3-11e1-8f39-0019bb2963f4.html

GF would appear to be out.

Kepler
04-03-2012, 05:32 PM
Do specific schools sponsor the ECAC tournament, or is that just the NCAA regionals where that happens?Although... that's another idea.

Make it like the Memorial Cup and guarantee the host appears.

(Yes. I am kidding. Well, no, sadly, I'm not kidding about the Memorial Cup.)