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yooper(UP) hockey
03-18-2011, 12:39 PM
The CCHA and WCHA should combine to save small school hockey

Call the new league (WCHA Super Confrence)

West Division
Alaska Ankorage
Alaska Fairbanks
Denver Pioneers
CC Tigers
North Dokata
Bemdji
St Cloud
UNO
Mankato
UMD Bulldogs


East Division
MTU Huskies
LSSU Lakers
NMU Wildcats
Ferris state
Bowling Green
Miami Ohio
Notre Dame
Western Michigan

Small schools have to stick together to survive and also college hockey needs to keep rivals playing each other in the WCHA.

The league games could be played in the tier that your in.

The CCHA will not survive without the big schools.

Notre Dame and Miami will leave the CCHA soon.....

The WCHA will save the CCHA.

NMU8405
03-18-2011, 12:42 PM
Why would the WCHA take in these small schools that cant even turn a profit in the CCHA? The MAC schools are going to stick together, the WCHA does not care what is happening in the CCHA, nor should they. They will function just fine at a 10 team league once again.

yooper(UP) hockey
03-18-2011, 12:57 PM
Why would the WCHA take in these small schools that cant even turn a profit in the CCHA? The MAC schools are going to stick together, the WCHA does not care what is happening in the CCHA, nor should they. They will function just fine at a 10 team league once again.

The WCHA should care about the CCHA. Should they not support the CCHA will fold without the big three schools. By combining the leagues they will be strong and weak teams in each division. If they dont step in there will be more college teams folding like Wayne State, Findley, and Kent State. I would rather see expansion then folding hockey has a hard enough time being excepted in every market in the US.

davyd83
03-18-2011, 01:00 PM
Why would these leagues be foolish enough to merge and cost themselves an automatic NCAA bid? That would be a horrible move.

yooper(UP) hockey
03-18-2011, 01:03 PM
Why would these leagues be foolish enough to merge and cost themselves an automatic NCAA bid? That would be a horrible move.

Do you think the CCHA will survive without Ohio State, MSu and MIchigan?

davyd83
03-18-2011, 01:05 PM
Do you think the CCHA will survive without Ohio State, MSu and MIchigan?

Yes. It certainly existed well before MSU and UM jumped from the WCHA to the CCHA, and Ohio STate was playing in a place that rivals Dee Stadium in capacity seating.

Nevergoodenough
03-18-2011, 01:10 PM
Why would the WCHA take in these small schools that cant even turn a profit in the CCHA? The MAC schools are going to stick together, the WCHA does not care what is happening in the CCHA, nor should they. They will function just fine at a 10 team league once again.

Shame on the B10 schools for abandoning their confrences, and ruining hockey, but the WCHA is just fine and the hell with the rest of the programs? This is the same attitude that almost killed BSU. UNO saved BSU when they said that they would come into the league ONLY if BSU came too. The arrogance and self-serving attitude is great for the game, don't you think? It's been this way for a long time.

yooper(UP) hockey
03-18-2011, 01:10 PM
Yes. It certainly existed well before MSU and UM jumped from the WCHA to the CCHA, and Ohio STate was playing in a place that rivals Dee Stadium in capacity seating.

Do you think Notre Dame, Miami Ohio would even want to stay in the CCHA with Bowling Green, NMU, LSSu, Ferris, and Fairbanks? I think they would exit and the rest would fold or go independent and there would just be a mess.

yooper(UP) hockey
03-18-2011, 01:13 PM
Shame on the B10 schools for abandoning their confrences, and ruining hockey, but the WCHA is just fine and the hell with the rest of the programs? This is the same attitude that almost killed BSU. UNO saved BSU when they said that they would come into the league ONLY if BSU came too. The arrogance and self-serving attitude is great for the game, don't you think? It's been this way for a long time.

The WCHA will survive.

But will the CCHA survive? probaly not because Notre Dame and Miami will seek greener pastures

davyd83
03-18-2011, 01:23 PM
And where would they go? The WCHA would increase their travel in a very big way. Remaining in the CCHA would continue to give them reasonable travel and put them as a favorite for an automatic NCAA tourney bid annually. Being an independent makes scheduling very difficult as well.

yooper(UP) hockey
03-18-2011, 01:28 PM
And where would they go? The WCHA would increase their travel in a very big way. Remaining in the CCHA would continue to give them reasonable travel and put them as a favorite for an automatic NCAA tourney bid annually. Being an independent makes scheduling very difficult as well.

I could see Notre Dame joining Hockey East, WCHA or Big Ten. Miami Ohio would pursue the WCHA alone becasue of the high level of the program to compete in the WCHA and a new rink.

davyd83
03-18-2011, 01:56 PM
I could see Notre Dame joining Hockey East, WCHA or Big Ten. Miami Ohio would pursue the WCHA alone becasue of the high level of the program to compete in the WCHA and a new rink.

For Notre Dame to join the Big Ten, they would have to join in all sports. I don't see that happening anytime soon. If Miami were to join Hockey East, they would have to fly for every road trip. That's rather expensive. If Miami were to join the WCHA, only Michigan Tech averages less in attendance than does Miami. Miami does have a beautiful building, but it is well below the WCHA's benchmark for capacity, and again, the travel would be brutal, with no other school within a 12 hour bus ride. Michigan Tech would be the shortest trip at 681 miles. Flights would be a necessity for most, if not all their conference road games, and I don't think too many of the teams left in the WCHA want to add the trip to Oxford to their schedule. Such a venture would add over $100,000 a year to Miami's travel budget. The chances of that are slim to none. Why would they wish to travel 881 miles to Bemidji, when they can travel to Big Rapids? Their shortest trip in the WCHA (Tech, 681 miles) would still be longer than their longest non-Alaska trip in the CCHA (NMU 650 miles).

yooper(UP) hockey
03-18-2011, 02:15 PM
For Notre Dame to join the Big Ten, they would have to join in all sports. I don't see that happening anytime soon. If Miami were to join Hockey East, they would have to fly for every road trip. That's rather expensive. If Miami were to join the WCHA, only Michigan Tech averages less in attendance than does Miami. Miami does have a beautiful building, but it is well below the WCHA's benchmark for capacity, and again, the travel would be brutal, with no other school within a 12 hour bus ride. Michigan Tech would be the shortest trip at 681 miles. Flights would be a necessity for most, if not all their conference road games, and I don't think too many of the teams left in the WCHA want to add the trip to Oxford to their schedule. Such a venture would add over $100,000 a year to Miami's travel budget. The chances of that are slim to none. Why would they wish to travel 881 miles to Bemidji, when they can travel to Big Rapids? Their shortest trip in the WCHA (Tech, 681 miles) would still be longer than their longest non-Alaska trip in the CCHA (NMU 650 miles).

Thats why i could see combining the WCHA and CCHA the teams could play all the games in the Western or Eastern division without worrying about brutal travel. Each team would get up to 30 confrence games. The West teams would play western teams and the eastern teams would play in there area. All the games would be close ie......

mtu vs lssu vs nmu vs ferris
denver vs cc vs uno vs north dokata
bemdji vs UMD vs st cloud vs mankato
Miami vs bowling green vs notre dame vs western michigan
alaska ankorage vs fairbanks

Rivals will be preserved and cost will be within reason as the big boys leave

aparch
03-18-2011, 02:18 PM
Combining ain't going to happen. You lose the auto bid each conference gets. You COULD do an interlocking schedule between the WCHA and CCHA.

yooper(UP) hockey
03-18-2011, 02:21 PM
Combining ain't going to happen. You lose the auto bid each conference gets. You COULD do an interlocking schedule between the WCHA and CCHA.

But do you see the CCHA surviving without Michigan, MSU Spartans, and Ohio State?

aparch
03-18-2011, 02:28 PM
But do you see the CCHA surviving without Michigan, MSU Spartans, and Ohio State?

Yes. Only if Notre Dame and Miami stay to become the flagship teams.

yooper(UP) hockey
03-18-2011, 02:32 PM
Yes. Only if Notre Dame and Miami stay to become the flagship teams.
I dont see either team staying as they will pursue greener pastures which is the WCHA for those two teams or the rest of the teams get accepted or other ccha teams may fold LSSU/Ferris.

nmupiccdiva
03-18-2011, 02:37 PM
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davyd83
03-18-2011, 02:43 PM
Thats why i could see combining the WCHA and CCHA the teams could play all the games in the Western or Eastern division without worrying about brutal travel. Each team would get up to 30 confrence games. The West teams would play western teams and the eastern teams would play in there area. All the games would be close ie......

mtu vs lssu vs nmu vs ferris
denver vs cc vs uno vs north dokata
bemdji vs UMD vs st cloud vs mankato
Miami vs bowling green vs notre dame vs western michigan
alaska ankorage vs fairbanks

Rivals will be preserved and cost will be within reason as the big boys leave

So your plan has every pretty much still playing in what is now their own league, and giving up an automatic bid in the process. Brilliant!!!

davyd83
03-18-2011, 02:47 PM
I dont see either team staying as they will pursue greener pastures which is the WCHA for those two teams or the rest of the teams get accepted or other ccha teams may fold LSSU/Ferris.

So you forecast Miami adding $100,000 to their travel budget? No in league trips under 681 miles, when their current longest trip is 650. More genius.