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FlagDUDE08
03-08-2011, 11:42 AM
Ok Ralph and what is your point? Buddy did it 3 times and only had 5 years here and Fridgen had 20 wins 3 times in his first 5 years. I think the bedwetters want to think that I am anti-Appert. Not true but being a realist he has alot to learn as far as his abilities behind the bench and game management. He is young! Hopefully it will improve. I know the coach in Schenectady sure has improved in his last 3 years so I can only hope the same for ours.

I believe another point is that too much emphasis was being placed on the playoffs by certain people. Also, I like how people are tearing their hair out about February without giving any regards to what we did in October, November, December, or January.

FlagDUDE08
03-08-2011, 11:46 AM
Also, to the Fridgen lover: Yes, he did OK in his first 5 years. Where did he go after that?

Appert has been going uphill since he got most of his boys in (I realize the sample size is 3 years). Fridgen and Powers were replacing the old coach. Appert is bringing in a style he believes will work.

irishfan85
03-08-2011, 11:50 AM
I believe another point is that too much emphasis was being placed on the playoffs by certain people. Also, I like how people are tearing their hair out about February without giving any regards to what we did in October, November, December, or January.

Well, most teams want to be winning in February, March and April. That is why. I'm not an RPI fan so I apologize for my intrusion. I've been to RPI twice when my team (Merrimack) played in the holiday tournament. I've always rooted for the little guys (like Merrimack is) such as RPI, Union, St. Lawrence, Duluth, Ferris State, etc. I liked the Houston Field House a lot. Great place to watch a game and cool set up.

I try to be as positive as possible about my program as it is a way to enjoy good college hockey. Obviously, I would rather see my team win than lose, but at the end of the day, one must realize that the game is over and move on. However, for a program to succeed, it must have expectations and the fan base must want to win and expect to win. Why? Fundraising and ticket sales are much better when the team is winning.

And, I'll tell you one other thing. I'd bet the house Coach Appert privately could care less about the good start if it doesn't mean post season success. Publicly, he'll say we still won 20 games, great senior class, etc, but that's all for PR.

pensfan08
03-08-2011, 11:52 AM
I think johnk has a good point about how we should realistically finish in the top 4 more often than not. There are either 4 or 5 (not sure if Colgate does athletic scholarships for hockey or not) schools that can technically give "athletic" scholarships, and we have better hockey facilities than at least 3 of those (Colgate, SLU, and Clarkson). I'm a Steelers fan and I prefer the attitude of that team where anything less than a Super Bowl win is considered a bad season. I think that for RPI anything less than a trip to the ECAC championship weekend should be considered a bad season.

And FlagDude the reason that people get irritated about losses in Feb versus the beginning of the season is that wins down the stretch generally setup teams for a playoff run. These last 2 years RPI has coasted/been on a slide into the playoffs and run into hot teams that smacked RPI around and sent them home.

Red Cloud
03-08-2011, 11:53 AM
What exactly has he done for the program compared to Fridgen, Powers or Adessa in their 1st 5 years? Just give me the facts. If you don't think there is alot of room for growth as a bench coach then continue to be happy with your 20 win season, barely over .500 ECAC record and 1st round playoff exit that got them nowhere! Good one about the wives! Someday if you choose to like women maybe you can get one! Or move to Vermont and you will be all set!

I can't believe I ever wasted my time respecting you.

Has college hockey not changed one iota since Adessa's first five years? Since Powers or Fridgen's? The comparisons are bunk. Gee, did any of those guys have a Union, Dartmouth, Princeton, or Yale team that was worth a darn to recruit against or play against? Hang on, let me answer that one for you - no. They only had to recruit and play well against SLU, Clarkson, Cornell, Harvard, and occasionally Colgate when it came to the ECACs. Those four teams were so hideously bad back then on a year in, year out basis that you could skate your reserve players and still win. Today the league, top to bottom, is far more competitive than it ever was under the three men you mentioned, not to mention that Appert is the first of those four to be coaching in the ECAC when it was not generally on par with the other three major conferences during his first five years. Did you think about that? No, of course you didn't. So he's starting off right there with a bit of a handicap.

You want to know what Appert has done for the program? Try this on for size.
* We have increased our win totals in both of the last two seasons.
* We have put ourselves into the discussion for the NCAA tournament for the first time in over a decade.
* We have landed recruits good enough to have the NHL come calling after just one season. That's bringing in the talent.
* We have been in a position to compete for the first round bye for consecutive seasons for the first time since the ECAC adopted its current playoff system.
* We have seen the hockey program return to its position of prominence within the athletic department and the Institute.
* We've seen the Field House undergo renovations, including brand new locker rooms and the most state-of-the-art scoreboard in the league.

I'm sorry, John, am I boring you yet?

* We've watched as a freshman who was passed over by practically everyone grew into what should be a two-time ECAC Player of the Year (only two others have ever done that) and a two-time Hobey Baker Finalist. Was that just magic?
* We've watched as a highly touted young goaltender grew into one of the best backstops in the entire country.
* We watched expectations take a serious beating at the start of the year thanks to unexpected departures with no time to adjust for them, and still finished with a better record than last season.

No one here is suggesting that everything is running exactly as we'd like it to go. No, of course it isn't. We are all disappointed in the playoff results of the past two seasons and we all want the team to do better. The problem is, you see what happened in the past and you can't get by the negatives that exist. You simply can't see the forest for the trees, can you? What are the answers, John? Is it just to continue to bay and moan like a dog in heat? That seems to be your gameplan.

Pensfan08, I think, has done the right analysis of the situation. He/she sees that there are two areas of coaching in which Mr. Appert very obviously excels, and one that he clearly is growing at. You are willing to ignore the first two because they haven't resulted in championships to date (in spite of the items I discussed at the top, of course). He is the youngest coach in the ECAC. He spent years learning from one of the best in the business. His trendline on being a bench coach has been one of improvement, but that's not nearly fast enough for you. He has to shoulder the burden of those years before him when the team was struggling as well, doesn't he? Those years made him responsible for giving YOU a trophy NOW.

If you want instant gratification, I suggest you go elsewhere, John. You're in Niskayuna, it wouldn't be so far fetched for you to turn your car around and head the other way. Go root for Union, they're winning right now. That's all you need, isn't it? Winning right now? Go. Get your instant gratification. You know what, even better, why don't you just start rooting for Cornell? Their fans don't care how they win either, they just want to win. Whether the game is exciting or interesting is no item.

And now, when someone calls you out for being a whiner, your response is to call him gay. You're a big man, aren't you?

You have joined the ranks of those who only show up around here to whine and kvetch when things don't go our way. I hope you're proud. When we celebrate a championship in the near future, I hope you're just as invisible then as you were this season when we were lighting it up.

Now go ahead, John. Turn your guns on me. Let's go, tough guy. Call me a scumbag. Tell me I'm wrong for being upset when the referees screw up for the millionth time and make it harder for RPI to pick up points. Tell me Jacob Laliberte and Matt Neal are dog****. Oh, I'm sorry, you don't even know who those names are yet, do you? You want to pick on AspyDad for having opinions, you'd better come strong, and you haven't got jack.

AspyDad
03-08-2011, 11:53 AM
You are absolutely right. I hope AspyDad and his crowd don't negrep you too bad.


Whoever sent this, I could care less about the negative rep. I know alot more about this program than these two ********s will ever forget. And believe me I wish only the best for Appert and the team but enough with all the stroking with no results! RPI should never, and I mean never have an 9 year hiatus from the top 4 in the ECAC. Period. And as long as were talking about thhe last 5 years, if anyone out there doesn't think that there is a higher "commitment" towards hockey from the admin than there was for past regimes, they are mistaken!

I believe that I have only given one neg rep my whole time on the board and I sign all my reps that I give out. Shirley could have given a **** about hockey till Seth showed up. The asst. coach under Fridge I belive was part time and did not even play college hockey. Seth has sold his program not only to recruits but to the admin. Johnk self annointed expert. I know more than you do... I think I pulled that last time in grade school. You don't know crap about this program or you would recognize the contribution of our great leader (Coach Appert)

Red Cloud
03-08-2011, 11:55 AM
I'm a Steelers fan and I prefer the attitude of that team where anything less than a Super Bowl win is considered a bad season. I think that for RPI anything less than a trip to the ECAC championship weekend should be considered a bad season.

We have to put ourselves in position for that, and we almost have. Almost isn't enough for some people, and next year's prospects just don't seem to ever exist.

Red Cloud
03-08-2011, 11:57 AM
I know alot more about this program than these two ********s will ever forget. And believe me I wish only the best for Appert and the team but enough with all the stroking with no results!

I have yet to see any indication of either. Your problem is that you can't stand people finding the good in anything when you're in a ****y mood.

AspyDad
03-08-2011, 11:59 AM
Someday if you choose to like women maybe you can get one! Or move to Vermont and you will be all set!

Way to keep it classy Johnk.

FlagDUDE08
03-08-2011, 12:02 PM
Well, most teams want to be winning in February, March and April. That is why. I'm not an RPI fan so I apologize for my intrusion. I've been to RPI twice when my team (Merrimack) played in the holiday tournament. I've always rooted for the little guys (like Merrimack is) such as RPI, Union, St. Lawrence, Duluth, Ferris State, etc. I liked the Houston Field House a lot. Great place to watch a game and cool set up.

I try to be as positive as possible about my program as it is a way to enjoy good college hockey. Obviously, I would rather see my team win than lose, but at the end of the day, one must realize that the game is over and move on. However, for a program to succeed, it must have expectations and the fan base must want to win and expect to win. Why? Fundraising and ticket sales are much better when the team is winning.

And, I'll tell you one other thing. I'd bet the house Coach Appert privately could care less about the good start if it doesn't mean post season success. Publicly, he'll say we still won 20 games, great senior class, etc, but that's all for PR.

Hey, we're always happy to have other people join in on the conversations here, so long as you're willing to discuss RPI hockey (or whatever it is we are discussing at the time). To be OK with the season ending early is like saying the sky is green (and rainbows don't count). However, given my sports allegiances in other leagues, I've learned to look at what good happened in the season.

AspyDad
03-08-2011, 12:05 PM
I think johnk has a good point about how we should realistically finish in the top 4 more often than not. There are either 4 or 5 (not sure if Colgate does athletic scholarships for hockey or not) schools that can technically give "athletic" scholarships, and we have better hockey facilities than at least 3 of those (Colgate, SLU, and Clarkson). I'm a Steelers fan and I prefer the attitude of that team where anything less than a Super Bowl win is considered a bad season. I think that for RPI anything less than a trip to the ECAC championship weekend should be considered a bad season.

And FlagDude the reason that people get irritated about losses in Feb versus the beginning of the season is that wins down the stretch generally setup teams for a playoff run. These last 2 years RPI has coasted/been on a slide into the playoffs and run into hot teams that smacked RPI around and sent them home.

That's pro-sports. College is different because of ebb and flow of graduating players. Let's get real here. This was SA's first recruiting class. The Merth class was put together the summer SA got job. This is a work in progress. Seth is not perfect but he is working his tail off and getting results.

Red Cloud
03-08-2011, 12:06 PM
Hey, we're always happy to have other people join in on the conversations here, so long as you're willing to discuss RPI hockey (or whatever it is we are discussing at the time). To be OK with the season ending early is like saying the sky is green (and rainbows don't count). However, given my sports allegiances in other leagues, I've learned to look at what good happened in the season.

A good FlagDUDE post here. No one's OK with the season ending early, for sure. Appert no doubt is looking at what worked this season and what didn't work this season, and will make adjustments down the road.

AspyDad
03-08-2011, 12:12 PM
You want to pick on AspyDad for having opinions, you'd better come strong, and you haven't got jack.

Thanks RC.

pensfan08
03-08-2011, 12:12 PM
That's pro-sports. College is different because of ebb and flow of graduating players. Let's get real here. This was SA's first recruiting class. The Merth class was put together the summer SA got job. This is a work in progress. Seth is not perfect but he is working his tail off and getting results.

That is true, but I wouldn't lay the problems from this year's finish at the players not being talented enough. I'd say this year's finish is more due to either being fatigued or not being as motivated as the other teams at the end. I don't disagree that he is getting results. I almost wonder if winning Freakout against #1 (at the time) Yale did more harm than good.

Red Cloud
03-08-2011, 12:17 PM
I'd say this year's finish is more due to either being fatigued or not being as motivated as the other teams at the end.

Trust me when I say that motivation had nothing to do with it.


I almost wonder if winning Freakout against #1 (at the time) Yale did more harm than good.

Careful now, you're starting to sound like johnk - except that he forgot all about that game.

I would like to encourage you to say that sentence out loud and then ask yourself whether it makes any sense. Should we have lost that game instead?

pensfan08
03-08-2011, 12:20 PM
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Pensfan08, I think, has done the right analysis of the situation. He/she sees that there are two areas of coaching in which Mr. Appert very obviously excels, and one that he clearly is growing at. You are willing to ignore the first two because they haven't resulted in championships to date (in spite of the items I discussed at the top, of course). He is the youngest coach in the ECAC. He spent years learning from one of the best in the business. His trendline on being a bench coach has been one of improvement, but that's not nearly fast enough for you. He has to shoulder the burden of those years before him when the team was struggling as well, doesn't he? Those years made him responsible for giving YOU a trophy NOW.
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I'd say realistically we can ignore his first 2 seasons as he was dealing with more getting a system in place than anything else. So we have had 3 seasons of him learning as a bench coach. I'm going to preface the next part by saying I don't think we should get rid of Appert or anything but I was wondering how many years of early exits do you feel would happen before there needs to be a discussion about it.

Also a suggestion from my wife: maybe Appert needs a more experienced asisstant or more of a drill sargent type to help balance him out and motivate the team.

FlagDUDE08
03-08-2011, 12:21 PM
That is true, but I wouldn't lay the problems from this year's finish at the players not being talented enough. I'd say this year's finish is more due to either being fatigued or not being as motivated as the other teams at the end. I don't disagree that he is getting results. I almost wonder if winning Freakout against #1 (at the time) Yale did more harm than good.

If we want to go with the Freakout argument, I think it would be less about who we beat and more about the magnitude that was brought across because of the situation. You take away one of those situations, and would we still have won? Probably, because our style of play works very well against Yale (given the last 4 meetings), and we seem to have their number. It all comes down to that "hot head" that Coach was talking about when we got to the top 10 the first time (before we played CCT at home). Now, I'm not going to cast a blanket and point the finger at Mr. Weaver, Mr. Schott, or anyone else in the media because let's face it, they're just trying to do their jobs. That's another big thing that has changed in the past 1-2 decades that we can add to Red Cloud's extensive list earlier in this page: media attention, and national media attention at that. Having that sort of following and creation of reputation puts a lot of pressure on your shoulders.

pensfan08
03-08-2011, 12:22 PM
Trust me when I say that motivation had nothing to do with it.



Careful now, you're starting to sound like johnk - except that he forgot all about that game.

I would like to encourage you to say that sentence out loud and then ask yourself whether it makes any sense. Should we have lost that game instead?

I'm saying that beating the #1 team at the time may have went to the teams head and caused them to let up some. We went as high as #8 before losing to Clarkson, we beat Yale get back to #8 and go back on the February slide. I also think the York concussion had something to do with it. I almost wonder if it would have been better for him to sit out the North Country trip as well.

AspyDad
03-08-2011, 12:23 PM
That is true, but I wouldn't lay the problems from this year's finish at the players not being talented enough. I'd say this year's finish is more due to either being fatigued or not being as motivated as the other teams at the end. I don't disagree that he is getting results. I almost wonder if winning Freakout against #1 (at the time) Yale did more harm than good.

I respectfully disagree. We had trouble scoring beside the Polacek line. Nice players all of them but not finishers per se. Imagine if SA loss the Chrsitmas tourney and Freakout. Johnk and his ilk would be calling for lethal injection.

AspyDad
03-08-2011, 12:37 PM
Where did Johnk go?