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Chris_NH
02-15-2011, 07:28 PM
In a couple years, Penn State will be opening up a new arena and joining Division 1 NCAA hockey. It seems to me that Boston schools BC, BU, and Northeastern...perhaps UNH and Maine, too...would be eager to schedule Penn State in reciprocal home-and-home series' beginning with the 2013-2014 season. Do followers of college hockey see this as likely or not? I wonder if the Hockey East schools are saying 'Nyet' to other overtures in expectation of games with Penn State?

Federal League
02-15-2011, 07:34 PM
In a couple years, Penn State will be opening up a new arena and joining Division 1 NCAA hockey. It seems to me that Boston schools BC, BU, and Northeastern...perhaps UNH and Maine, too...would be eager to schedule Penn State in reciprocal home-and-home series' beginning with the 2013-2014 season. Do followers of college hockey see this as likely or not? I wonder if the Hockey East schools are saying 'Nyet' to other overtures in expectation of games with Penn State?

What makes you say that? The only reason I can think of is that it's a name school that might appeal to the casual fan, but none of those schools (with the exception of NU) have attendance problems. Penn St is most likely going to struggle its first few years, so games against them probably won't help a lot for PWR purposes. And it's not like central PA is a recruiting hot bed, so playing there doesn't really provide much of an upside other than getting to check out a state of the art arena.

mookie1995
02-15-2011, 07:39 PM
What makes you say that? The only reason I can think of is that it's a name school that might appeal to the casual fan, but none of those schools (with the exception of NU) have attendance problems. Penn St is most likely going to struggle its first few years, so games against them probably won't help a lot for PWR purposes. And it's not like central PA is a recruiting hot bed, so playing there doesn't really provide much of an upside other than getting to check out a state of the art arena.

you are not recruiting 'central PA' because state college is in the middle (of nowhere). you are recruiting all of PA. true state school. lot of junior hockey in pitt that i know of. rather decent players have come out of philly too.

Chris_NH
02-15-2011, 07:42 PM
Oh well...I thought it seemed like a good idea. I agree that Penn State, aside from being a marquee school, won't be a marquee hockey program for a long time (if at all: see Ohio State). I was just posing the question to see what people thought, because I would rather see a BC-Penn State game in early November than a BC-Toronto one.

Eaglefan06
02-15-2011, 07:51 PM
I think BC would be interested in scheduling PSU. I just wish it would lead to a football series like they used to play.

komey1
02-15-2011, 07:56 PM
I would guess not many "name" hockey schools are going to be looking to play PSU at this point due to not being able to help much for PWR. I expect the B10 schools will schedule them for the conference. But I would expect that they otherwise would get most of their games against middle of the road to bottom teams in the CCHA and WCHA early on.

sterlippo1
02-15-2011, 07:59 PM
Oh well...I thought it seemed like a good idea. I agree that Penn State, aside from being a marquee school, won't be a marquee hockey program for a long time (if at all: see Ohio State). I was just posing the question to see what people thought, because I would rather see a BC-Penn State game in early November than a BC-Toronto one.

it's a different idea for a thread so that's a good thing............as mookie said above about pitts, BC has 2 Pittsburgh area players, Wey and Milner

Nifty16
02-15-2011, 08:02 PM
I would love for UNH to take a trip down there, as a Penn State Football fan what could be better then catching a Penn State Football game and UNH hockey in the same weekend :) then again this would be for pure selfish reasons :)

Terrier520
02-15-2011, 08:52 PM
Oh well...I thought it seemed like a good idea. I agree that Penn State, aside from being a marquee school, won't be a marquee hockey program for a long time (if at all: see Ohio State). I was just posing the question to see what people thought, because I would rather see a BC-Penn State game in early November than a BC-Toronto one.

Yeah, but your BC-Penn State game comes at the expense of a BC- Michigan, BC-Denver or BC-Miami games, all of which are more satisfying to a top-tier hockey program.

ETA: Boston schools would be reluctant to schedule another non-conference games, considering they are at a premium because of the beanpot.

sterlippo1
02-15-2011, 08:58 PM
Yeah, but your BC-Penn State game comes at the expense of a BC- Michigan, BC-Denver or BC-Miami games, all of which are more satisfying to a top-tier hockey program.

ETA: Boston schools would be reluctant to schedule another non-conference games, considering they are at a premium because of the beanpot.

but we're a football school, remember?:confused:

NUMcNeely
02-15-2011, 09:12 PM
i think it'll happen, you play a name school (lets be honest, joe boston sports fan is going to see penn state and be like, hey i bet they have a decent program because they are penn state!) if you are bc bu or nu and you get that draw and the draw for penn state is that they expose themselves to potential new england recruits. id love to schedule penn state for a friday game and then they play bc/bu sat or something along those lines. I think this is very likely to happen in one of their first few years for the exposure to boston and potential recruits.

Patman
02-15-2011, 09:18 PM
i think it'll happen, you play a name school (lets be honest, joe boston sports fan is going to see penn state and be like, hey i bet they have a decent program because they are penn state!) if you are bc bu or nu and you get that draw and the draw for penn state is that they expose themselves to potential new england recruits. id love to schedule penn state for a friday game and then they play bc/bu sat or something along those lines. I think this is very likely to happen in one of their first few years for the exposure to boston and potential recruits.

Yes, people are that stupid... I bet you if Lowell could get Penn State at home then it would bring a record non-conf draw.

Terrier520
02-15-2011, 09:21 PM
but we're a football school, remember?:confused:

Let's put it this way; I think that, while the athletics department would like that to happen, Jerry York would prefer to play more challenging schools. And I doubt that BU would want to play Penn State. Then again, I could easily be wrong.

Federal League
02-15-2011, 09:23 PM
i think it'll happen, you play a name school (lets be honest, joe boston sports fan is going to see penn state and be like, hey i bet they have a decent program because they are penn state!) if you are bc bu or nu and you get that draw and the draw for penn state is that they expose themselves to potential new england recruits. id love to schedule penn state for a friday game and then they play bc/bu sat or something along those lines. I think this is very likely to happen in one of their first few years for the exposure to boston and potential recruits.

Yeah, but how many locals who know that little about college hockey are even bothering to look at a schedule, never mind actually buy tickets? And as I mentioned, only NU would need that sort of attendance boost anyway. BU drew 5000+ for games against Brown and Harvard this year, and both were over breaks. BC leads the league in attendance. They don't need any sort of boost from a "name school," especially one that isn't going to help in the PWR.

I agree that PSU is going to want to get to the Boston area because of the recruits, but I just don't see what's in it for BU or BC. NU I get because it probably could be an attendance boost for them, though.

ETA: Going off Patman's post, it could help UML or Providence, too. So maybe one night at NU and the next at UML or PC. I would think all of those teams would be willing to reciprocate the visit, too, which I'm sure is something PSU would be looking for.

Yuppie Scum
02-15-2011, 09:55 PM
Would not at all be surprised for Mack, Lowell, PC, or Mass to schedule them and/or take the trip, the others will probably stick to western teams.

Nick Papagiorgio
02-16-2011, 08:39 AM
I agree that PSU is going to want to get to the Boston area because of the recruits, but I just don't see what's in it for BU or BC. NU I get because it probably could be an attendance boost for them, though.

A few quick thoughts:

While BC is far superior to recruiting local talent lately, BU still gets their fair share. Both of these schools would probably "protect" this area by NOT scheduling a game with PSU even though PSU is probably a very minimal threat.

Also, if PSU did want to come in and get some exposure in the Boston market and did so with a willing participant like NU, UML, Merrimack, etc... how much exposure are we talking? Ok, it sells out the game. So you have a few thousand people, mostly local, going to these games. It's not going to get on tv. Even a huge marketing campaign in the Globe or Herald to sell the tickets just gets the building filled and it stops there. Writeups on the games would be about 2nd rate local teams against a startup Big Ten school that may very well be terrible on the ice and it could still be a beatdown. Would that get more press than say a BC or BU writeup when they play on the same night? Doubtful. How much exposure would it really be? At the end of the day, most of these kids that get into the arena to see PSU will still want to go to BC and if they can't get in to BC go to BU and if they play for 3rd rate programs like Boston Advantage they will want to go to Maine to go play for Whitehead, who will hopefully still be coaching there for the next 20 years! :D

alfablue
02-16-2011, 09:04 AM
I would guess not many "name" hockey schools are going to be looking to play PSU at this point due to not being able to help much for PWR. I expect the B10 schools will schedule them for the conference. But I would expect that they otherwise would get most of their games against middle of the road to bottom teams in the CCHA and WCHA early on.

I think the B10 schools will play PSU well before HE teams start to look at the possibilities. They'll take the PWR hit to help a B10 brotheren.

That, and it makes sense that PSU will be a CCHA team unless a B10 actually happens- natural rivalries and whatnot. There will be more money that way for them.

IMHO.

Yuppie Scum
02-16-2011, 09:49 AM
A few quick thoughts:

While BC is far superior to recruiting local talent lately, BU still gets their fair share. Both of these schools would probably "protect" this area by NOT scheduling a game with PSU even though PSU is probably a very minimal threat.

Also, if PSU did want to come in and get some exposure in the Boston market and did so with a willing participant like NU, UML, Merrimack, etc... how much exposure are we talking? Ok, it sells out the game. So you have a few thousand people, mostly local, going to these games. It's not going to get on tv. Even a huge marketing campaign in the Globe or Herald to sell the tickets just gets the building filled and it stops there. Writeups on the games would be about 2nd rate local teams against a startup Big Ten school that may very well be terrible on the ice and it could still be a beatdown. Would that get more press than say a BC or BU writeup when they play on the same night? Doubtful. How much exposure would it really be? At the end of the day, most of these kids that get into the arena to see PSU will still want to go to BC and if they can't get in to BC go to BU and if they play for 3rd rate programs like Boston Advantage they will want to go to Maine to go play for Whitehead, who will hopefully still be coaching there for the next 20 years! :D

Well, Yuma AZ, I think you're overestimating the influence of Penn State, sure it's a nationally recognized school but there are some very prestigious schools inside 128 that are also pretty much synonymous with NCAA Hockey around here. I am pretty convinced that if Little Johnny Sully-Murph wants to play college hockey, he wants to play it for BU or BC, or UNH or Maine. (disregarding the issue of scholarships) Half the people around here think the Beanpot is the HEA playoffs, anyway.

Nick Papagiorgio
02-16-2011, 10:11 AM
Well, Yuma AZ, I think you're overestimating the influence of Penn State, sure it's a nationally recognized school but there are some very prestigious schools inside 128 that are also pretty much synonymous with NCAA Hockey around here. I am pretty convinced that if Little Johnny Sully-Murph wants to play college hockey, he wants to play it for BU or BC, or UNH or Maine. (disregarding the issue of scholarships) Half the people around here think the Beanpot is the HEA playoffs, anyway.

I could be wrong here... but I'm pretty sure that's almost exactly what I wrote.

pinch
02-16-2011, 10:16 AM
I agree that PSU is going to want to get to the Boston area because of the recruits

I think we have to wait and see who the coach is. If he is a WCHA or CCHA guy, I think they go west (USHL, MN, BCHL etc)... if it is a HE or ECAC guy, it will be strange if he goes east for players--this would be the only team in a conference that recruits differently than all of its other members.
My guess is the first couple classes will be heavy on older Ontario, Alberta, BCHL and to some degree NAHL kids regardless of who the coach is.