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bigmrg74
02-17-2011, 01:12 PM
Question? What if a school was to rename itself as the Area Clowns? Would this cause any problems with any Clown Unions perhaps?



;)

Dirty
02-17-2011, 01:24 PM
Would these neo-liberals be as open minded if NAMABLA were to adopt the nickname "North Dakota State University Hockey Brawlers" and peddle clothing, curios and articles bearing this nickname and who-knows-what graphics?

Hell yes. I'm for anything and everything that reflects poorly on NDSU.

Erix_The_Red
02-17-2011, 01:28 PM
even Redskins

This is where you lost me. This is the only current team name that actually is very offensive. Yet it's okay by you.

More examples:
The Texans are a specific group of people that have formal treaties with the US govt.
The Canadiens as well
The San Diego State Aztecs?

And don't make this political, "Uuuhh the neo-liberals uhh so much sand in my vagina" (sorry for the expression ladies). this is about not being such a goddam wimp, growing a sac (again, sorry ladies) and just playing some hockey.

It is also my understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that the local Sioux love the team and see it as a source of great pride.

darker98
02-17-2011, 01:30 PM
Would these neo-liberals be as open minded if NAMABLA were to adopt the nickname ?

Did you get that name off the card in your wallet? We all know you don't google so that's not how you got it.

Erix_The_Red
02-17-2011, 01:30 PM
Question? What if a school was to rename itself as the Area Clowns? Would this cause any problems with any Clown Unions perhaps?)

Excellent point. Do the Steelers require the constant approval of USW to keep their name?

darker98
02-17-2011, 01:34 PM
It is also my understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that the local Sioux love the team and see it as a source of great pride.

Yes, One tribe has given it's approval and the other hasn't been allowed to vote on it. It's my understanding that they'd approve if they put it to a vote.

Fighting Sioux 23
02-17-2011, 01:37 PM
"Seminole" and "Sioux" denote groups legally recognized by United States law. The U.S. even has formal treaties with these groups (but not with "The Fighting Irish.") The posters above have a remarkably liberal attitude toward appropriating another group's LEGAL identity and using it as their own.
Would these neo-liberals be as open minded if NAMABLA were to adopt the nickname "North Dakota State University Hockey Brawlers" and peddle clothing, curios and articles bearing this nickname and who-knows-what graphics?

I suppose we'd have to find out with NAMABLA is. North American Men Against Boy Love Association? :p:D:D

The thing is "Sioux" is a general term. It is composed of three specific tribes, the Dakota, Lakota and Nakota.

Here is the list of Federally Recognized Tribes by the United States...

http://www.artnatam.com/tribes.html

You'll notice over 300 different tribes...including Utes (which you said was fine in an earlier post).

bigblue_dl
02-17-2011, 01:39 PM
Why is it that posters like Osorojo and hokydad always show up and send a perfectly good thread down the ****ter?

darker98
02-17-2011, 01:43 PM
Why is it that posters like Osorojo and hokydad always show up and send a perfectly good thread down the ****ter?

If they had an IQ limit before you could post would take care of the madness. Just has to be low enough the Goon and I can slip by, but keep these jokers out.

Erix_The_Red
02-17-2011, 01:43 PM
You'll notice over 300 different tribes...including Utes (which you said was fine in an earlier post).

Ba-mother fcuking-zing!

bigmrg74
02-17-2011, 01:49 PM
Why is it that posters like Osorojo and hokydad always show up and send a perfectly good thread down the ****ter?
Because Tech fans can't have nice things. ;)

Jon
02-17-2011, 02:35 PM
Hell yes. I'm for anything and everything that reflects poorly on NDSU.

It's amazing how he just walked right into that...

Osorojo
02-17-2011, 06:19 PM
Thanks for all the corrections. I was under the impression there was an objection to the "Fighting Sioux" nickname made by someone who was able to obtain a legal injunction against UND using this name. Apparently this is not so. The Sioux people reportedly love UND's use of their name so there is actually no problem, and I have stumbled into a thread of light-hearted banter about a purely hypothetical situation. Sorry. Get on with your playful quibbling.

Happy
02-17-2011, 06:32 PM
Actually, the sues' biggest problem is that when the BTHC comes about, Minnesota will no longer play any games against the sue. The suzy will instead switch to a larger and more impressive rivalry against BSU.

darker98
02-17-2011, 06:35 PM
Actually, the sues' biggest problem is that when the BTHC comes about, Minnesota will no longer play any games against the sue.

Then we won't have any gameS thrown out because it'll lower our PWR.

bigblue_dl
02-17-2011, 07:40 PM
I don't know the legalese behind this kind of thing. I think the original post was getting at this...is there anything stopping a company from making Fighting Sioux gear after the University stops using it? If a fan could buy a UND Whatevers jersey from the University store or a Fighting Sioux jersey from the sporting goods store across the street, what do you think he or she would buy? Even if it isn't officially licensed stuff, if it is high quality and uses the same artwork, I can't see the stuff not selling.

darker98
02-17-2011, 08:07 PM
I don't know the legalese behind this kind of thing. I think the original post was getting at this...is there anything stopping a company from making Fighting Sioux gear after the University stops using it? If a fan could buy a UND Whatevers jersey from the University store or a Fighting Sioux jersey from the sporting goods store across the street, what do you think he or she would buy? Even if it isn't officially licensed stuff, if it is high quality and uses the same artwork, I can't see the stuff not selling.
I don't know the legal stuff either, but I'd think they could use the fighting Sioux, but don't think the could use UND and profit from it.

UMDSimmerdown
02-17-2011, 08:10 PM
From my understanding, a logo or trademark is not open to the public sphere unless the owner ceases to fight for its protection. While the school may not continue to use the logo or trademark, they still have the right to protect from its unlicensed use by others. They can still send cease and desist letters and even sue for damages from those who made a profit off of it.

This makes sense if you think about it, no company would ever update their logo or slogan if they knew people could make money off their old one, or even worse use that old logo to somehow put their company or product in a bad light.

With most schools' budget problems, why wouldn't they continue to fight for damages?

du78
02-17-2011, 08:22 PM
I don't know the legal stuff either, but I'd think they could use the fighting Sioux, but don't think the could use UND and profit from it.

I know DU has given the students and alumni free reign to use Boone's image as they please. There are no copyright or trademark issues with DU or Disney who created the original Boone image. One person is making Boone jewelry, others have made T-shirts for various games and events, goalies at school and in the pros have put Boones on their equipment, signs have been made for events and games and of course the alumni funded the costume that the current non-sanctioned Boone wears to DU events. The funny thing is that the new Boone appears in promos for athletic events even though he is "unofficial".

ronmexico
02-17-2011, 08:24 PM
If North Dakota were for some reason adopt "The Lady Ga-Ga's" as their nickname they would be stopped in a flash. Same goes if they were to call themselves "The Fighting U.S. Marines." What in blazes besides bigotry makes any person or group think they can use the name of another person or group to identify themselves and turn a profit?

I just crapped my pants laughing and burst into tears while rocking in the fetal position on the floor. No joke… Is Osorojo a Ga Ga fan?


Knights, Utes, Cowboys, Bozos, Mariners, Canadiens, Dimwits, Yankees, Irish, even Redskins - all are collective, non specific nouns and the law deems members or wanna-be members of such groups are not harmed by misuse or profitable use of these names. To belabor the obvious: you can call your outfit "The Fighting Warriors" or "The Fighting Soldiers," but you can't call them "The Fighting U.S. Marines" no matter how much money an alum donates.
"Sioux" and "Seminole" are two specific nouns which denote specific, discrete groups of people with common social, tribal and economic interests. Unauthorized public use of their names would seem to constitute identity theft. Sports fans are assuredly tribal in nature, but let them create their own identities and totems rather than pirate and rely upon the reputations of others.
Is Fighting Sioux more offensive than Fighting Utes?
Follow the link. You tell me. Even OJ should be able to understand this material.

You know what I find offensive?
An old man, who I refer to as OJ, or O****j*, having internet access in his minimum security prison or mental hospital.