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du78
04-26-2011, 10:34 PM
I have a feeling DU leapfrogged Wisconsin for #5 and the Badgers dropped a spot to #6. After that everyone stays as from last year.

Last season's top 6
#1 Michigan - 475.5292 Points
#2 North Dakota - 414.1636 Points
#3 Minnesota – 397.684 Points
#4 Boston University - 345.005 Points
#5 Wisconsin - 334.9305 Points
#6 Denver - 333.3811 Points

Almington
04-26-2011, 11:36 PM
I have a feeling DU leapfrogged Wisconsin for #5 and the Badgers dropped a spot to #6. After that everyone stays as from last year.

Last season's top 6
#1 Michigan - 475.5292 Points
#2 North Dakota - 414.1636 Points
#3 Minnesota - 397.684 Points
#4 Boston University - 345.005 Points
#5 Wisconsin - 334.9305 Points
#6 Denver - 333.3811 Points

I expect you are correct. My guess is that UW increased by about 5 pts and DU increased by about 7 (based mostly off UMD winning the NC and DU making the NCAA while UW didn't). Both will be in striking distance of BU next season for #4. UND will have extended it's lead over MN for #2 and closed the gap on UMI a bit.

slurpees
04-26-2011, 11:47 PM
I expect you are correct. My guess is that UW increased by about 5 pts and DU increased by about 7 (based mostly off UMD winning the NC and DU making the NCAA while UW didn't). Both will be in striking distance of BU next season for #4. UND will have extended it's lead over MN for #2 and closed the gap on UMI a bit.

Couldn't have closed the gap too far on MI. DU may very well be in striking distance of BU this year, though missing the FF probably will keep BU ahead slightly.

bigblue_dl
04-26-2011, 11:54 PM
Couldn't have closed the gap too far on MI. DU may very well be in striking distance of BU this year, though missing the FF probably will keep BU ahead slightly.
UND will get a boost for having a very good record all-time vs. UMD. Why do you think Tech got more points in this list than wins this year?

slurpees
04-27-2011, 12:20 AM
UND will get a boost for having a very good record all-time vs. UMD. Why do you think Tech got more points in this list than wins this year?

ah, i forgot that was part of the formula.

Almington
04-27-2011, 01:31 AM
Plus UND won their conference playoff championship which Michigan did not do.
I was thinking that UND might have closed the gap by ~10 points or so.

Runninwiththedogs
04-27-2011, 11:30 AM
UND will get a boost for having a very good record all-time vs. UMD. Why do you think Tech got more points in this list than wins this year?

Michigan's record isn't as good as UND's record against UMD but they will probably still get a boost from it.

UMDbulldogs#1
04-28-2011, 12:01 AM
:o

UMD has many all time series like that. UND and UMTC come to mind.

They only teams UMD is close to 0.500 against are Alaska Anchorage, Nebraska-Omaha, Colorado College, Mankato State, Bemidji State and St. Cloud State. Without looking, I think UMD is above 0.500 against UAA, Bemidji, Mankato and UNO. Everyone else in the WCHA has a 10 to 60 game advantage in the win column. This will happen when you're a small D2/D3 school and you start a D-1 program in a region and in an era dominated by Michigan Tech, Minnesota, Michigan, Denver and North Dakota.

Colorado College and, strangely, Michigan are the only original WCHA team that UMD is even close to 0.500 against (79-84-7 and 18-23-1, respectively).

Biddco
04-28-2011, 09:06 AM
They only teams UMD is close to 0.500 against are Alaska Anchorage, Nebraska-Omaha, Colorado College, Mankato State, Bemidji State and St. Cloud State. Without looking, I think UMD is above 0.500 against UAA, Bemidji, Mankato and UNO. Everyone else in the WCHA has a 10 to 60 game advantage in the win column. This will happen when you're a small D2/D3 school and you start a D-1 program in a region and in an era dominated by Michigan Tech, Minnesota, Michigan, Denver and North Dakota.

Colorado College and, strangely, Michigan are the only original WCHA team that UMD is even close to 0.500 against (79-84-7 and 18-23-1, respectively).

UMD didn't even make the NCAA's until 1984, some 23 years after joining DI and the WCHA.

Fighting Sioux 23
04-28-2011, 08:15 PM
Coming in at #6...

Wisconsin
2009-2010 Final Ranking: 5
2009-2010 Final Points: 334.9305
2010-2011 Points Earned: 4.6446
2010-2011 Final Points: 339.5751
Percent Change: +1.39%

2010-2011 Final Ranking: 6

#07 - Boston College
#08 - Michigan State
#09 - Maine
#10 - Michigan Tech
#11 - Lake Superior State
#12 - Cornell
#13 - Colorado College
#14 - Clarkson
#15 - Harvard
#16 - Minnesota Duluth (+4)
#17 - RPI (-1)
#18 - Northern Michigan
#19 - New Hampshire
#20 - Bowling Green (-3)
#21 - St. Lawrence
#22 - Miami (+1)
#23 - Providence (-1)
#24 - Notre Dame (+1)
#25 - Dartmouth (-1)
#26 - Yale
#27 - Colgate
#28 - Northeastern
#29 - Brown
#30 - Ohio State
#31 - Vermont
#32 - St. Cloud State
#33 - Bemidji State
#34 - RIT
#35 - Ferris State
#36 - UMASS-Lowell
#37 - Niagara
#38 - Western Michigan
#39 - Alaska Anchorage (+2)
#40 - Princeton (-1)
#41 - Holy Cross (-1)
#42 - Air Force
#43 - Quinnipiac
#44 - Merrimack (+1)
#45 - Nebraska Omaha (+3)
#46 - Mercyhurst (-2)
#47 - Alaska
#48 - UMASS (-2)
#49 - Mankato
#50 - Alabama Huntsville
#51 - Union (+1)
#52 - Army (-1)
#53 - UCONN
#54 - Sacred Heart
#55 - Bentley
#56 - Robert Morris
#57 - Canisius
#58 - American International

UMDbulldogs#1
04-28-2011, 08:31 PM
Interesting. They have more NC's than Minnesota and BU. I guess a lack of regular season championships will kill you in a numbers game when competing against Minnesota and, it appears, Boston University.

Fighting Sioux 23
04-28-2011, 08:42 PM
Interesting. They have more NC's than Minnesota and BU. I guess a lack of regular season championships will kill you in a numbers game when competing against Minnesota and, it appears, Boston University.

They also don't have the history that Minnesota and BU have either. If you look at points/season played, Wisconsin is in the top 3 or 4.

HumRsky
04-28-2011, 09:41 PM
Interesting. They have more NC's than Minnesota and BU. I guess a lack of regular season championships will kill you in a numbers game when competing against Minnesota and, it appears, Boston University. Minnesota and BU have a lot more NCAA and Frozen Four appearances and higher all-time winning percentages, same reason Denver is behind those two despite two more NCs and one more regular season title than Minnesota.

Almington
04-28-2011, 10:07 PM
They also don't have the history that Minnesota and BU have either. If you look at points/season played, Wisconsin is in the top 3 or 4.

I'd be surprised if Wisconsin and Maine were not 1 and 2 in points per season.

Fighting Sioux 23
04-28-2011, 10:11 PM
I'd be surprised if Wisconsin and Maine were not 1 and 2 in points per season.

North Dakota is #1. I believe Wisconsin is just barely behind Denver and Michigan for 4th, and Maine is 5th.

Almington
04-28-2011, 10:32 PM
North Dakota is #1. I believe Wisconsin is just barely behind Denver and Michigan for 4th, and Maine is 5th.

What Season are you using as a baseline? 1947-48? Which would give UND 63 seasons the same as Michigan, Michigan would have to be above UND.

UW started in 1963-64 season, giving them 48 seasons. Which would give them 7.07 pts/season.

Michigan will stay ahead of UW in pts/season by a narrow margin after accounting for points they earned this season.

Maine comes in at just under 5pts/season

Fighting Sioux 23
04-28-2011, 10:34 PM
What Season are you using as a baseline? 1947-48? Which would give UND 63 seasons the same as Michigan, Michigan would have to be above UND.

UW started in 1963-64 season, giving them 48 seasons.

I used 62 Wisconsin seasons to calculate their ranking. I believe North Dakota had 69. Michigan was over 90. Denver was at 60 seasons.

Shirtless Guy
04-28-2011, 10:41 PM
I used 62 Wisconsin seasons to calculate their ranking. I believe North Dakota had 69. Michigan was over 90. Denver was at 60 seasons.How can you use all of those seasons if there were not championships before 1948?

Fighting Sioux 23
04-28-2011, 10:42 PM
How can you use all of those seasons if there were not championships before 1948?

Because it's the Greatest Programs of All-Time, not the Greatest Programs since 1948.

Almington
04-28-2011, 10:44 PM
I used 62 Wisconsin seasons to calculate their ranking. I believe North Dakota had 69. Michigan was over 90. Denver was at 60 seasons.

Ok, you went all the way back to the pre-ncaa days. I was just thinking about the modern era that started with the NCAA tournament in 1947-48 season.