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Fighting Sioux 23
02-16-2011, 12:16 PM
3 teams have less than .1 points. Nowhere else BUT up.

Exactly. 7 teams have less than 1 point. 25 have less than 10.

Fighting Sioux 23
02-16-2011, 01:09 PM
http://www.undhockey.net/osu.jpg

Ohio State winds up at #30, and the last team in the "bottom half" of programs of all-time. The Buckeyes did not make an NCAA Appearance in their first 30 years, but when they finally did in 1998, they made the most of it. The Buckeyes advanced to the Frozen Four that year, but were unable to duplicate that feat in each of their last 5 appearances. New coach Mark Osiecki is looking to turn this program back around, but for now, the Buckeyes sit in the bottom half of programs all-time.

#30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
#31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
#32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
#33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
#34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
#35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
#36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
#37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
#38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
#39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
#40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
#41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
#42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
#43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
#44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
#45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
#46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
#47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
#48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
#49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 points
#50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
#51 Army - 1.3604 points
#52 Union - 0.6174 points
#53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
#54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
#55 Bentley - .0279 points
#56 Robert Morris - .0245 points
#57 Canisius - .0205 points
#58 American International - .0061 points

Slasher7
02-16-2011, 01:12 PM
http://www.undhockey.net/osu.jpg

Ohio State winds up at #30, and the last team in the "bottom half" of programs of all-time. The Buckeyes did not make an NCAA Appearance in their first 30 years, but when they finally did in 1998, they made the most of it. The Buckeyes advanced to the Frozen Four that year, but were unable to duplicate that feat in each of their last 5 appearances. New coach Mark Osiecki is looking to turn this program back around, but for now, the Buckeyes sit in the bottom half of programs all-time.

#30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
#31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
#32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
#33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
#34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
#35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
#36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
#37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
#38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
#39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
#40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
#41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
#42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
#43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
#44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
#45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
#46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
#47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
#48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
#49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 points
#50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
#51 Army - 1.3604 points
#52 Union - 0.6174 points
#53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
#54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
#55 Bentley - .0279 points
#56 Robert Morris - .0245 points
#57 Canisius - .0205 points
#58 American International - .0061 points

Surprised you have Oohi ranked ahead of Vermont considering UVM has 2 FF appearances and a trip to the HE finals a few years ago.

Fighting Sioux 23
02-16-2011, 01:17 PM
Surprised you have Oohi ranked ahead of Vermont considering UVM has 2 FF appearances and a trip to the HE finals a few years ago.

Well, FWIW, I didn't rank the teams. I simply came up with the formula and plugged in the information that it needed. Ohio State does have an extra NCAA appearance, along with a better winning percentage. They also have played more difficult competition throughout their history than Vermont.

alfablue
02-16-2011, 01:20 PM
Surprised you have Oohi ranked ahead of Vermont considering UVM has 2 FF appearances and a trip to the HE finals a few years ago.

I think it will be interesting to see how the calculation comes out. It may be FS23's opinion how the calculation happens, but once the data is input, it appears that there isn't a change.

What I'm interested in seeing is calculation. He's posted that the average score is 82, but we see the score of the middle teams is ~18-19. And the lowest is well below 1. So that means that the top teams have a whole lot of points. I'd be willing to bet that NC's will have the most points, so currently poor Michigan Tech may be above a currently good Maine because 3>1. Or Tech will be waaaay above teams like Miami or Yale, since 3>>>0. but that's speculation. (and would imply that owls... will have to wait a while for State)

Wait until Harvard is higher than Yale... that will be funny. And I'll bet it does.

Actually, almost close for dead Bowling Green will be higher than Miami.

ecbrevik
02-16-2011, 01:26 PM
I'd be willing to bet that NC's will have the most points, so currently poor Michigan Tech may be above a currently good Maine because 3>1.
That would make sense in an all-time ranking though, because NC's from 40-50 years ago would carry just as much weight as an NC from last year. As would total victories.

alfablue
02-16-2011, 01:32 PM
That would make sense in an all-time ranking though, because NC's from 40-50 years ago would carry just as much weight as an NC from last year. As would total victories.

What seems to really make this whole work tough is that FS23 is doing a year by year version of team ranking- so that who you played in 1948 is very significant. It's pretty cool how much effort he's put into this.

bigblue_dl
02-16-2011, 01:33 PM
I think it will be interesting to see how the calculation comes out. It may be FS23's opinion how the calculation happens, but once the data is input, it appears that there isn't a change.

What I'm interested in seeing is calculation. He's posted that the average score is 82, but we see the score of the middle teams is ~18-19. And the lowest is well below 1. So that means that the top teams have a whole lot of points. I'd be willing to bet that NC's will have the most points, so currently poor Michigan Tech may be above a currently good Maine because 3>1. Or Tech will be waaaay above teams like Miami or Yale, since 3>>>0. but that's speculation. (and would imply that owls... will have to wait a while for State)

Wait until Harvard is higher than Yale... that will be funny. And I'll bet it does.

Actually, almost close for dead Bowling Green will be higher than Miami.
I actually would expect Yale to be in the next 2-3 teams listed.

Erix_The_Red
02-16-2011, 01:33 PM
Icurrently poor Michigan Tech may be above a currently good Maine because 3>1.

And 3>2


That would make sense in an all-time ranking though, because NC's from 40-50 years ago would carry just as much weight as an NC from last year. As would total victories.

I'd hope that championships from seasons with more teams would be worth more, even in an "all-time" list. That's like saying CHA tournamnet champs are worth as much as WCHA, CCHA, or HE championships.

FlagDUDE08
02-16-2011, 01:34 PM
I actually would expect Yale to be in the next 2-3 teams listed.

It'd actually be pretty funny if Yale actually ended up #27. :eek:

Fighting Sioux 23
02-16-2011, 01:38 PM
On the topic of Yale, I'm actually surprised that they haven't showed up yet. I mean, to the best of my knowledge they've never made it to the Frozen Four and only 2 NCAA Tournament appearances, right?

Yale made the Frozen Four in 1952.

They also have one of the longest histories of any team, having played in 3 centuries. :)

SanTropez
02-16-2011, 01:56 PM
Yale made the Frozen Four in 1952.

They also have one of the longest histories of any team, having played in 3 centuries. :)

As have the Gophers. :)



It appears that Johns Hopkins University of Baltimore may have been the first college in the United States to play hockey, having tied the Baltimore Athletic Club at the dedication of the newly built North Avenue Rink in Baltimore on December 26, 1894. The University of Minnesota may have been the second college in the nation to play the game. Although students from Yale and other eastern colleges visited Canada during Christmas vacation of 1894, Yale did not play the game until January of 1896 when they met Johns Hopkins. Columbia started hockey competition during the winter on 1896, while Brown and Harvard continued to play ice-polo through the season of 1896-1897.

Prior to meeting the Winnipeg Seven, the newly formed Minnesota team played three games against the Minneapolis Hockey Club, with the collegians winning two and losing one game.

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alfablue
02-16-2011, 02:06 PM
And 3>2



oops. :o

Fighting Sioux 23
02-16-2011, 02:11 PM
http://www.undhockey.net/brown.jpg

Brown lands at #29. The Bears have 4 NCAA Appearances, including three trips to the Frozen Four, and an appearance in the title game in 1951. Unfortunately for Brown, it has been nearly 20 years since their last NCAA Tournament. They've also struggled just to post a winning season, only producing 6 winning seasons in their last 30+ seasons. Without more success, expect Brown to fall into the bottom half of programs. For now, they are barely holding on, at #29.

#29 Brown - 18.3317 Points
#30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
#31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
#32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
#33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
#34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
#35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
#36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
#37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
#38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
#39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
#40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
#41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
#42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
#43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
#44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
#45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
#46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
#47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
#48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
#49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 points
#50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
#51 Army - 1.3604 points
#52 Union - 0.6174 points
#53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
#54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
#55 Bentley - .0279 points
#56 Robert Morris - .0245 points
#57 Canisius - .0205 points
#58 American International - .0061 points

hockeyenthusiast
02-16-2011, 02:38 PM
Yale made the Frozen Four in 1952.

They also have one of the longest histories of any team, having played in 3 centuries. :)

I know. I did my research and realized it soon after.

Runninwiththedogs
02-16-2011, 02:50 PM
:p:D:D

FWIW, the "average" points is 82.0605. Only 16 teams would be considered "average".

I know what's going to happen!!!

This is all a farce! We're going to get to #1 and find out UND has like 1,000,000 points or something! :)

Actually, my guess is that UND is not going to be #1.

ScoobyDoo
02-16-2011, 02:53 PM
Actually, my guess is that UND is not going to be #1.

I'm guessing they will be. They've been the most consistent historically and have 7 titles.

Fighting Sioux 23
02-16-2011, 02:58 PM
I know what's going to happen!!!

This is all a farce! We're going to get to #1 and find out UND has like 1,000,000 points or something! :)

And what would be so wrong with that? :p:D:D

Fighting Sioux 23
02-16-2011, 03:04 PM
http://www.undhockey.net/ne.jpg

Northeastern comes in at #28. The Huskies have made four NCAA Tournament appearances, but only one of those appearances was as successful as their 1982 run to the Frozen Four. The Huskies had their best years in the 80s, winning 2 Conference Tournament titles (1 ECAC, 1 Hockey East), along with the 2 NCAA appearances. The Huskies have their work cut out for them however. They only have 5 20+ win seasons in their history, and only once in the last 10 years. If they don't start having more seasons like '08-'09 they will be falling. For now, they sit at #28.

#28 Northeastern - 24.5696 Points
#29 Brown - 18.3317 Points
#30 Ohio State - 17.0403 Points
#31 Vermont - 15.8285 Points
#32 St. Cloud State - 12.4129 Points
#33 Bemidji State - 11.4454 Points
#34 RIT - 8.1655 Points
#35 Ferris State - 7.8912 Points
#36 UMass Lowell - 7.1081 Points
#37 Niagara - 6.4381 Points
#38 Western Michigan - 5.3974 Points
#39 Princeton - 5.1729 Points
#40 Holy Cross - 4.8647 Points
#41 Alaska-Anchorage - 4.8361 Points
#42 Air Force - 4.1704 Points
#43 Quinnipiac - 3.8994 Points
#44 Mercyhurst - 3.468 Points
#45 Merrimack - 3.1402 Points
#46 Massachusetts - 3.0035 Points
#47 Alaska - 2.9892 Points
#48 Nebraska Omaha - 2.9092 Points
#49 Minnesota State - 2.3131 points
#50 Alabama Huntsville - 1.9469 Points
#51 Army - 1.3604 points
#52 Union - 0.6174 points
#53 UConn - 0.1921 Points
#54 Sacred Heart - 0.1703 Points
#55 Bentley - .0279 points
#56 Robert Morris - .0245 points
#57 Canisius - .0205 points
#58 American International - .0061 points

Rhett
02-16-2011, 03:09 PM
http://www.undhockey.net/ne.jpg

Not that it has anything to do with the thread, but I've always thought that the Husky wasn't going to clear the Boston skyline in that logo. :p