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allnightwong
02-10-2011, 11:19 AM
As a follow up to my research piece on players' home states, provinces, etc. I decided to take a look at where players previously played before starting at the college level. Let it be known this study has holes in it as it was entirely to hard to be 100% perfect with juniors teams changing and relocated so frequently and college hockey websites being surprisingly inaccurate. I compiled this study using collegehockeynews and uscho's "last team" section on each team's roster page as well as further research into prep school's alumni lists, hockeydb and simple player searches. The number next to the organization is how many current players have that club listed as their last team. Players may have played for more than one organization but I solely took their last taem into account. More than being specifically accurate, I wanted to see trends, and regionally where a lot of young, talented kids are playing. Here's what I found.

Preps & Publics- 224
Minnestota
Shattuck St. Mary's- 13
The Blake School- 2
Totino Grace- 1
St. Cloud Cathedral- 1
Cretin Derham Hall- 1
Breck School- 1
Benilde- St. Margaret's- 2
Academy of Holy Angels- 3
Hill-Murray School- 2
Roseau HS- 2
Hibbing HS- 2
Eastview HS- 1
Bloomington Jefferson HS- 1
Woodbury HS- 1
Little Falls HS- 1
Hopkins HS- 2
Forest Lake HS- 2
Cloquet HS- 1
Minnetonka HS- 4
Lakeview South HS- 1
Edina HS- 7
Eden Prairie- 1
Grand Rapids HS- 1
Moorhead HS- 1
Blaine HS- 1
Faribault HS- 1
Park Rapids HS- 1
Mankato HS- 1
Hermantown HS- 1
Brainerd HS- 1
Rosemont HS- 1
Duluth East HS- 2
Warroad HS- 1

Massachusetts
Winchendon- 1
Lawrence Academy- 7
Thayer Academy- 1
The Governor's Academy- 3
Northfield Mount Hernon-1
Cushing Academy- 7
Phillips Academy Andover- 6
Tabor Academy- 2
Belmont Hill School- 6
Milton Academy- 2
St. Sebastian's School- 1
The Williston Northampton School- 1
Berkshire School- 5
Noble & Greenough School- 7
Deerfield Academy- 5
Buckingham Brown & Nichols- 1
Pingree School- 1
Austin Preporatory School- 1
B.C. High- 1
King Phillip HS- 1

Connecticut
Kent School- 1
Westminster School- 4
Choate Rosemary Hall- 6
Avon Old Farms- 10
Salisbury School- 9
Hotchkiss School- 3
South Kent School- 8
The Taft School- 7
The Gunnary School- 6

Michigan
Orchard Lake- St Mary's Prep- 1
Marquette HS- 1
Cranbrook HS- 1
Hancock HS- 1
Brighton HS- 1

New Hampshire
St. Paul's Preparatory Academy- 4
Phillips Exeter Academy- 5
Proctor Academy- 2
Tilton School- 4
Holderness School- 1
Kimball Union Academy- 1

New York
St. Francis Prep- 2
Northwood School- 9
National Sports Academy- 1
Albany Academy- 1

Indiana
Culver Military Academy- 3

Missouri
Parkway West HS- 1

Wisconsin
Catholic Memorial- 3
Oregon HS- 1
Mosinee HS- 1

New Jersey
Delbarton School- 1

Illinois
Lake Forest Academy- 1

Maine
Hebron Academy-1

Canada
The Winston Churchill School- 1
College Charles Lemoyne- 1

United States Hockey League (USHL) Tier I- 450
Cedar Rapids- 31
Chicago- 33
Green Bay- 33
Indiana- 36
USNTDP (U17 & U18)- 47
Waterloo- 40
Youngstown (formerly Mahoning Valley of the NAHL)22
Des Moines- 29
Fargo- 9
Lincoln- 28
Omaha- 27
Sioux City- 31
Sioux Falls- 36
Tri-City- 29
*Ohio Jr. Blue Jackets (formerly Cleveland Barons)- 19

Eastern Junior Hockey League (EJHL) Tier III- 144- also field teams in the Contintental Hockey Assoc. & Empire Junior Hockey League.
Jersey- 17
South Shore (formerly Foxboro Stars)- 13
Bay State- 14
Springfield- 11
NY Applecore- 5
Bridgewater- 11
NH Monarchs- 31
Junior Bruins- 17
Valley Jr. Warriors- 5
Syracuse- 8
NE Huskies- 4
Green Mountain- 7
Capital District- 1

North American Hockey League (NAHL) Tier II- 177
Alexandria- 5
Bismarck- 14
Coulee Region (formerly North Iowa)- 11
Owatonna- 6
Janesville- 1
Michigan (formerly Marquette)- 7
Springfield- 5
St. Louis- 24
Traverse City- 10
Amarillo (formerly Albert Lea)- 1
Corpus Christi (formerly Alpena)- 3
Texas- 5
Topeka (formerly Santa Fe)- 17
Wichita Falls- 11
Alaska- 5
Fairbanks- 27
Kenai River- 2
Wenatchee- 10
*Fargo Moorhead- 7

Atlantic Junior Hockey League (AJHL) Tier III- 11
Hartford- 1
New Jersey- 2
Northern Cyclones- 1
Portland- 3
Walpole- 2
Washington- 2

Northern Pacific Hockey League (NORPAC) Tier III- 5
Billings- 1
Bozeman- 3
Yellowstone- 1

Minnesota Junior Hockey League (MNJHL) Tier III- 4
Minnesota Owls- 1
Edina- 3

Western States Hockey League (WSHL) Tier III- 1
Phoenix- 1

Canada Junior Hockey League (governs all Canadien junior leagues)

Alberta Junior Hockey League (AJHL)- 109
Spruce Grove- 10
Fort McMurray- 9
Bonnyville- 4
Grande Prairie- 8
Lloydminster- 2
Sherwood Park- 6
St. Albert (formerly Saskatchewan)- 4
Drayton Valley- 3
Okotoks- 18
Brooks- 5
Camrose- 10
Olds- 12
Drumheller- 3
Calgary Royals- 3
Canmore- 5
Calgary Canucks- 5

British Columbia Hockey League (BCHL)- 168
Alberni Valley- 14
Coquitlam (formerly Burnaby)- 6
Cowichan Valley- 12
Langley- 14
Nanaimo- 14
Powell River- 9
Surrey- 5
Victoria- 8
Merritt- 1
Penticton- 24
Prince George- 8
Quesnel- 1
Salmon Arm- 19
Trail- 5
Vernon- 20
Westside- 8

Central Junior A Hockey League (CJHL)- 82
Brockville- 8
Cornwall- 5
Cumberland- 1
Gloucester (formerly Orleans)- 3
Hawkesbury- 3
Kanata- 6
Kemptville- 1
Nepean- 6
Ottawa- 2
Pembroke- 6
Smith's Falls- 6

Quebec Junior AAA Hockey League- 4
Kahnawake- 1
Terrebonne- 1
St. Jerome- 1
Sherbrooke- 1

Manitoba Junior Hockey League (MJHL)- 13
Selkirk- 2
Winnipeg Blues- 1
Winnipeg Saints- 2
Dauphin- 2
Neepawa- 1
Portage- 3
Swan Valley- 1
Waywayseecappo- 1

Northern Ontario Junior Hockey League (NOJHL)- 1
North Bay- 1

Ontario Junior Hockey League (OJHL)- 105
Newmarket- 4
Hamilton- 5
Buffalo- 2
Dixie- 1
Burlington- 8
Markham- 8
Cobourg (formerly Bowmanville)- 8
Whitby- 1
Gerogetown- 5
Brampton- 3
Toronto- 2
Pickering- 3
Oakville- 11
Stouffville- 5
Lindsay- 3
Aurora- 6
Port Hope- 1
Milton- 1
Oswego- 1
Trenton- 1
Upper Canada (formerly Quint)- 2
Streetsville- 1
Orangeville- 1
St. Michaels- 8
Vaughan- 3
Kingston- 5
Wellington- 6

Saskatchewan Junior Hockey League (SJHL)- 34
Battlefords- 2
Estevan- 1
Flin Flon- 4
Humboldt- 3
Kindersley- 2
Laronge- 1
Melfort- 4
Melville- 1
Nipiwin- 2
Notredame- 5
Weyburn- 5
Yorktown- 4

Greater Ontario Junior Hockey League- (GOJHL) Junior B- 13
Strathroy- 1
Elmira- 2
Lasalle (formerly Tecumseh)- 1
St. Catherine's- 2
Brantford- 1
Cambridge- 1
Thorold- 1
Listowel- 1
St. Thomas- 1
Chatham- 1
Sarnia- 1

Kootenay International Junior Hockey League (KIJHL)- 1
Beaver Valley

Other Midget Level Teams/Clubs
San Jose Jr. Sharks (NAPHL)- 1
St. Louis Selects (NAPHL)- 1
Detroit Honeybaked- 1
Boston Advantage Midgets- 1
Toronto Red Wings Midgets- 1
LA Selects- 1
Team Maryland- 1
Texas Attack Midgets- 1
Compuware Midgets- 1
PF Changs AAA- 1
Detroit Little Caesars AAA- 1
Russell Stover AAA- 1

International
Sodertalje SK, Sweden- 2
Djurgarden, Sweden- 1
Frolunda, Sweden- 3
Brynas, Sweden- 1
Malmo, Sweden- 1
Vasteras/J20, Sweden- 1
Linkopings/J20, Sweden- 2
Espoo Blues, Finland- 2
IFK Helsinki, Finland- 1
Dukla Trencin, Slovakia- 1

*defunct

So we're talking 224 (14%) prep or public educated kids entering D1 play, 15 (.009%) coming straight from international play, 803 (51%) from U.S. based juniors programs and 530 (33%) from Canada based junior programs. Interesting numbers and locales. Let the debate begin..

UML
02-10-2011, 11:40 AM
How long did that list take to put together?

allnightwong
02-10-2011, 11:41 AM
How long did that list take to put together?

Haha, well I started it when I finished the "Where do you hail from" thread last week, so a little under a week in my spare time.

Dirty
02-10-2011, 11:57 AM
You missed the Pro Frenchy team Cahill played for.

allnightwong
02-10-2011, 12:08 PM
You missed the Pro Frenchy team Cahill played for.

Yeah, I actually mulled that over but wanted to give Andover Academy some love.

jmh
02-10-2011, 12:23 PM
Yeah, I actually mulled that over but wanted to give Andover Academy some love.Isn't that what Bob Norton is for?

SoCalSiouxFan
02-10-2011, 12:50 PM
Not supprised that the USHL has supplied 450 players to college hockey, twice as many as all high schools combined.

Just wish the USHL could expand out of the midwest into the west coast to give west coast kids a chance to play Tier 1 Junior hockey closer to home.

Check out the "This is the USHL" video: http://www.ushl.com/video/ThisIsTheUSHL.cfm
Notice that at the end of the video a few words from Gino Gasparini former Fighting Sioux head coach, athelitic director and former USHL President and Commissioner.


Also check out how the USHL had grown since the 1995-1996 season the year Gino Gasparini became the USHL commissioner.
http://www.ushl.com/about/timeline.cfm

As student at North Dakota I got to see Gino Gasparini lead the Fighting Sioux to two national championships. But I was understandably sad to see him go. But his assistant coach Dean Blais turned out to be a great head coach. Also his Fighting Sioux team captain Dave Tippett also went on to become a great coach. It just seems unbelievable what Gino accomplished at North Dakota and what he accomplished over at the USHL as President and Commissioner.

CLS
02-10-2011, 01:17 PM
Depending on what conclusions you want to draw, the USHL numbers may be a bit overstated. For example, if a kid graduates from high school, and a D1 school suggests that he spend a year in the USHL, the USHL team would probably show up as his last team, even if he played for and graduated from a high school.

This also points out the sad state of afairs in Massachusetts, particularly the public schools. There's one player from a conventional public school, and two players from schools that play against public schools. Otherwise, all prep schools. Many kids on New England prep school teams are from Massachusetts, but many aren't also; their rosters are regional, national, and even international.

allnightwong
02-10-2011, 01:30 PM
Depending on what conclusions you want to draw, the USHL numbers may be a bit overstated. For example, if a kid graduates from high school, and a D1 school suggests that he spend a year in the USHL, the USHL team would probably show up as his last team, even if he played for and graduated from a high school.

This also points out the sad state of afairs in Massachusetts, particularly the public schools. There's one player from a conventional public school, and two players from schools that play against public schools. Otherwise, all prep schools. Many kids on New England prep school teams are from Massachusetts, but many aren't also; their rosters are regional, national, and even international.

You bring up an excellent point on the state of public school hockey in Mass and it rivals Connecticut very nicely. As the two states are very comparable, I've seen in my hockey-rich town of Hamden, year after year Hamden High ranked in the top three of the state right up there with the Fairfield Preps of the local hockey world. But I've said all along, if you stay at a public high school in the Northeast past your sophomore year, you aren't going to amount to much. Look at recent Hamden High players. Jonathan Quick, current goalie of the LA Kings left Hamden High after his sophomore year, went to Avon Old Farms and then Umass. Pat MacGregor, defensmen for BU right now left Hamden after two years as well for Avon. The Pereira brothers, one at BU and one at Umass both played at South Kent and didn't even consider West Haven High.

The fact of the matter is in Mass and CT if you want to be playing at a D1 level you better head to a bonafide prep school rather than stick with the public route. I think that's the gist of what you're saying about Mass and I've seen it first hand here. We have some very talented juniors and seniors on Hamden High this year, but they won't be playing D1 hockey because they didn't get to a prep school or junior team earlier enough.

In the early to mid 90's public schools were producing D1 ready talent, that's not necessarily the case anymore with the exception of Minny.

SoCalSiouxFan
02-10-2011, 02:25 PM
This also points out the sad state of afairs in Massachusetts, particularly the public schools. There's one player from a conventional public school, and two players from schools that play against public schools. Otherwise, all prep schools. Many kids on New England prep school teams are from Massachusetts, but many aren't also; their rosters are regional, national, and even international.

Maybe the Boston Bruins needs to implement programs such as those started by the Dallas Stars in TX which now has 70 teams (including JV teams) in their High School league.

http://www.atthighschoolhockeyleague.com

Or the Anaheim Ducks have started a similar program in Southern California.

http://ducks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=535175

Don't be supprised to see more college players from places like Texas or Southern California in the near future.

Happy
02-10-2011, 03:11 PM
You bring up an excellent point on the state of public school hockey in Mass and it rivals Connecticut very nicely. As the two states are very comparable, I've seen in my hockey-rich town of Hamden, year after year Hamden High ranked in the top three of the state right up there with the Fairfield Preps of the local hockey world. But I've said all along, if you stay at a public high school in the Northeast past your sophomore year, you aren't going to amount to much. Look at recent Hamden High players. Jonathan Quick, current goalie of the LA Kings left Hamden High after his sophomore year, went to Avon Old Farms and then Umass. Pat MacGregor, defensmen for BU right now left Hamden after two years as well for Avon. The Pereira brothers, one at BU and one at Umass both played at South Kent and didn't even consider West Haven High.

The fact of the matter is in Mass and CT if you want to be playing at a D1 level you better head to a bonafide prep school rather than stick with the public route. I think that's the gist of what you're saying about Mass and I've seen it first hand here. We have some very talented juniors and seniors on Hamden High this year, but they won't be playing D1 hockey because they didn't get to a prep school or junior team earlier enough.

In the early to mid 90's public schools were producing D1 ready talent, that's not necessarily the case anymore with the exception of Minny.

and Minny's public schools are slowly being destroyed, soon it will be all USHL, and Minnesota will produce a lot less players.

fangers
02-10-2011, 03:39 PM
Maybe the Boston Bruins needs to implement programs such as those started by the Dallas Stars in TX which now has 70 teams (including JV teams) in their High School league.

http://www.atthighschoolhockeyleague.com

Or the Anaheim Ducks have started a similar program in Southern California.

http://ducks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=535175

Don't be supprised to see more college players from places like Texas or Southern California in the near future.

Those programs work in those areas because was little, or no, exisiting teams/organizations/leagues prior to the NHL teams coming to town. But in areas like Boston, there are already many, mnay options for kids to play, so I doubt anything the Bruins would attempt at this point wouldn't be effective.

fangers
02-10-2011, 03:43 PM
Depending on what conclusions you want to draw, the USHL numbers may be a bit overstated. For example, if a kid graduates from high school, and a D1 school suggests that he spend a year in the USHL, the USHL team would probably show up as his last team, even if he played for and graduated from a high school.

Same can be said about most of the junior leagues, as there are many kids who actually committed to play DI while playing in a lower level league or from midget hockey as well.

SoCalSiouxFan
02-10-2011, 04:31 PM
and Minny's public schools are slowly being destroyed, soon it will be all USHL, and Minnesota will produce a lot less players.

The best players coming out of Minnesota high schools are actually Canadians.:eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Crosby


Sidney left the country to play for the renowned hockey program at Shattuck-Saint Mary's Boarding School in Minnesota

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Toews


Toews was selected first overall in the 2003 WHL Bantam Draft by the Tri-City Americans,[3] but chose instead to play high school hockey, eventually attending Shattuck-St. Mary's, a boarding school in Faribault, Minnesota, during 2004-2005. Toews scored 110 points in 64 games in his only season with the team, before moving on to play college hockey at the University of North Dakota.

allnightwong
02-15-2011, 08:39 AM
bump...because it took me forever