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KnowItAll
02-24-2011, 08:35 PM
Essentially Detroit holds Gus' rights until August of the year his class graduates. So Detroit has incentive to sign him now because once he gets through 2011-12 as a college player, he's basically a few months away from being able to sign anywhere he wants a la Blake Wheeler.

Wheeler was a free agent after his junior season... why was that?

TripleE
02-24-2011, 08:36 PM
if Gus plays his senior season, then all Detroit (Grand Rapids) will get for 2011-2012, is a few games plus playoffs and all Gus will get is a small fraction of an annual salary(games played)... and Gus will have to take whatever Detroit is offering... IF he signs with Detroit after his senior season.
If he waits till August after his senior season, then he is a free agent and he can take the highest offer... and he would only lose out on the pay that he would have gotten had he played a few games in 2011-2012.

Detroit knows that if they do not get him before the end of his senior season (paying more than the rookie minumum), then he will probably wait till August and go to the high bidder.
right now, only Detroit can offer him a salary and they get to choose what that is.

if his agent is pretty sure that Detroit will lowball and Edmonton will offer Penner-type numbers, gustav will play his senior season and sign with Edmonton for $4.5M a year for a few years. (in this case, it would have been wise for Nyquist to stay in school, miss a year of "low" pay and take the giant pay day one year later). SO, Detroit has to woo him with enough money so that he does not consider missing a year of salary and taking the potential big payday.


OK, I'm getting a better grasp for the situation now. But who is going to dish out big bucks for anyone who hasn't played an NHL game and will probably spend, at bare minimum, an entire season in the AHL? I can't imagine there is THAT much parity in what the offer range could be, is there?

KnowItAll
02-24-2011, 08:36 PM
Hmm, yea, but didn't Wheeler leave after his Jr. year with the Gophers? With Detroit's consistency and their knack for having success with Swedish born players, why would he want to play anywhere else?

well, if you were offered $750,000 a year for 2 years and thought you could get $4.5M for 5 years what would you do?
go get developed with other Swedes or take the money?

KnowItAll
02-24-2011, 08:37 PM
OK, I'm getting a better grasp for the situation now. But who is going to dish out big bucks for anyone who hasn't played an NHL game and will probably spend, at bare minimum, an entire season in the AHL? I can't imagine there is THAT much parity in what the offer range could be, is there?

well that is why I used Dustin Penner as the example... the Ducks GM thought that what Edmonton was offering was going to ruin the league...

TripleE
02-24-2011, 08:43 PM
well, if you were offered $750,000 a year for 2 years and thought you could get $4.5M for 5 years what would you do?
go get developed with other Swedes or take the money?

Well, that 5 year deal is worth 900,000/year as opposed to that 750. I would ask myself where I hope to be in 3 years.

What if I'm a 20+ goal scorer in the NHL in 3 or 4 years? Those types often get paid at least 2 or 3M per year. If I'm looked at as a 'riser' (like Penner was) than maybe more so. That 900K is insignificant compared to what I could really cash in on...

Gus doesn't seem like the type who would just want to get complacent to a certain level of play based on an early, multi-year deal.

TripleE
02-24-2011, 08:44 PM
well that is why I used Dustin Penner as the example... the Ducks GM thought that what Edmonton was offering was going to ruin the league...

Well, I would tend to agree, but at least Dustin had scored a point in the NHL before that deal was signed!

KnowItAll
02-24-2011, 08:52 PM
Kane, Ovetchkin and Crosby...

Carmine Scarpaglia
02-24-2011, 08:57 PM
But who is going to dish out big bucks for anyone who hasn't played an NHL game

The NY Rangers.

TripleE
02-24-2011, 08:59 PM
well that is why I used Dustin Penner as the example... the Ducks GM thought that what Edmonton was offering was going to ruin the league...

And yea -- I absolutely, positively HATE ridiculous, bloated rookie contracts. The NFL really needs to control that. Pay the guys who have proven they can play.

Just in guarranteed money, JaMarcus Russell's money to touchdown ratio is almost $1 Million. Alex Smith anyone?... so on....

TripleE
02-24-2011, 09:00 PM
Kane, Ovetchkin and Crosby...

Yea, but does anyone put Gus in that category?

TripleE
02-24-2011, 09:01 PM
The NY Rangers.

touche

Hockeypuck
02-24-2011, 09:24 PM
if Gus plays his senior season, then all Detroit (Grand Rapids) will get for 2011-2012, is a few games plus playoffs and all Gus will get is a small fraction of an annual salary(games played)... and Gus will have to take whatever Detroit is offering... IF he signs with Detroit after his senior season.
If he waits till August after his senior season, then he is a free agent and he can take the highest offer... and he would only lose out on the pay that he would have gotten had he played a few games in 2011-2012.

Detroit knows that if they do not get him before the end of his senior season (paying more than the rookie minumum), then he will probably wait till August and go to the high bidder.
right now, only Detroit can offer him a salary and they get to choose what that is.

if his agent is pretty sure that Detroit will lowball and Edmonton will offer Penner-type numbers, gustav will play his senior season and sign with Edmonton for $4.5M a year for a few years. (in this case, it would have been wise for Nyquist to stay in school, miss a year of "low" pay and take the giant pay day one year later). SO, Detroit has to woo him with enough money so that he does not consider missing a year of salary and taking the potential big payday.Under the CBA now he can only receive an entry level max contract of $875,000 from any team. So it would only be about who he wants to play for the money would be the same. He's a perfect fit for Detroit's puck possession style game and I'm guessing he would be happy to play in that organization.

BobF
02-24-2011, 09:34 PM
Under the CBA now he can only receive an entry level max contract of $875,000 from any team. So it would only be about who he wants to play for the money would be the same. He's a perfect fit for Detroit's puck possession style game and I'm guessing he would be happy to play in that organization.

Very well put Puck! CBA has put maximums in which take protect clubs from dishing out crazy contracts for players coming in, no way Gus signs some free agent million dollar contract without lacing them up in the NHL. Though I am not sure of the 875 as it varies each year and can't tell if it is based on the year drafted or the year you sign? Gus has been "THE BEST" forward recruit since Kariya and I do not expect him to be in Orono next year.

AMC
02-24-2011, 09:45 PM
Hmm, yea, but didn't Wheeler leave after his Jr. year with the Gophers? With Detroit's consistency and their knack for having success with Swedish born players, why would he want to play anywhere else?

Did he redshirt? It is when your academic class graduates, which is different than your year of eligibility.

Hockeypuck
02-24-2011, 09:51 PM
Very well put Puck! CBA has put maximums in which take protect clubs from dishing out crazy contracts for players coming in, no way Gus signs some free agent million dollar contract without lacing them up in the NHL. Though I am not sure of the 875 as it varies each year and can't tell if it is based on the year drafted or the year you sign? Gus has been "THE BEST" forward recruit since Kariya and I do not expect him to be in Orono next year.For his draft year 2008 it is $875k it goes up to $900k for 2009 picks.

Hockeypuck
02-24-2011, 09:58 PM
Did he redshirt? It is when your academic class graduates, which is different than your year of eligibility.
If I remember correctly he was drafted after his junior year in high school which opened up a loophole after his 3rd year of college. He was then able to tell Phoenix that he had withdrawn from college so he is then ineligible to play college and Phoenix had 30 days to sign him or he became a free agent.

Hockeypuck
02-24-2011, 10:19 PM
The excuse that never quits.

“They’ve been awesome. They have fought through a lot in their four years. It was tough timing for them to join our team because we had just lost a large senior class and (Hockey East Rookie of the Year) Teddy Purcell also left,” said Whitehead, who lost seven of his top 10 scorers off the 2006-2007 Frozen Four team.

http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/02/24/sports/maine-seniors-to-battle-for-valuable-points-against-merrimack/

TripleE
02-24-2011, 11:34 PM
said Whitehead, who lost seven of his top 10 scorers off the 2006-2007 Frozen Four team.

And this year, he retained 8 of his top 9 scorers including the national scoring champion.

How are we doing??

TripleE
02-24-2011, 11:50 PM
It's OK.

If the King's don't win the cup this year, we'll know why... :mad:

The country wouldn't be in insurmountable debt if Teddy Purcell hadn't taken out the loans.

Order would have been restored in Egypt but Teddy told Mubarak to hold out.

WMDs would have been discovered had Teddy Purcell not gone AWOL.

...... :rolleyes:

Fishman'81
02-25-2011, 02:29 AM
The NHL CBA is all about protecting whichever team drafts a given player,which is an OK stand-alone concept,but no thought whatsoever was given to the college feeder-system,as far as I can divine..The situation is a de-facto effort to dissuade kids from graduating.

This approach works fairly well in hoops and football,I suppose.Those two cash-cows at both levels are making out fine,no matter who leaves or who stays.

But,in a fairly humble money-maker such as college hockey,why be so mercenary?NCAA hockey is still small potatoes,but it could be grown a bit with a little less early defection of the top talent.(Ask Minnesota.)

Maybe then,the sport would make enough money for the NHL to respect it,at least after Bettman is gone..?(And may it be soon!)