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BobF
02-15-2011, 09:29 AM
Bear he is absolutely more qualified to state his opinion. Maybe I just look at it as a matter of character on his part. I pride myself on being fair, and try not to ever critique players publicly when they are at Maine, and even after they leave. But since Jeff went public on a social site I have no problem stating my opinion on his abilities. I supported him 100% when he played for Maine, now that he has stepped out to vocalize his opinions I harbor no guilt by speaking my mind.

I too have been with the program since the beginning. Conn, Crespi, Nord, Aubut, the Tortorella brothers, saw them all play while I was a student. I used to post regularly on this site, but tend to take a back seat these days. As I said I will leave the decisions to the powers that be, they know far more than I ever will. I was really hoping this season would be the one to get us back on the national stage, and am concerned about the future. With everyone berating the coach all the time it's nice for me to be berated for expressing my opinion about 1 former player. I have no problem with that!

Nick Papagiorgio
02-15-2011, 09:33 AM
Is there a KEEP TIMMAY facebook group out there yet?

goblue
02-15-2011, 09:36 AM
Is there a KEEP TIMMAY facebook group out there yet?

I'd be happy to do it, but right now I'm working on a "Fire Jerry York" page. :D

AMC
02-15-2011, 11:53 AM
Nyquist has regained his scoring touch. Great to see him rebound. He still has faith in this team and feels that they will do something special, even though many people have written them off. Nick Pryor may return this weekend. No mention of Anderson so he is probably ok.

http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/02/14/sports/nyquist-regains-scoring-touch-for-bears/

I really question the BDN's competency sometimes. They know, or should know, that there is a significant subset of the fanbase that is unhappy with not just Whitehead, but Blodgett, and to a lesser extent Woodward and Cosgrove. I haven't seen a single comment in the BDN from ANYONE in Orono regarding this, or even evidence that the question has been asked, resulting in a "No Comment."

BoSox3066
02-15-2011, 01:02 PM
Im with Bob. Marshall's one captain out of how many? And really the way his career ended, he's not an objective source. Respect to the kid but i take his position with a grain of salt

walrus
02-15-2011, 01:36 PM
Im with Bob. Marshall's one captain out of how many? And really the way his career ended, he's not an objective source. Respect to the kid but i take his position with a grain of salt

My understanding is jokes were made about him at the end of season Banquet so I don't blame him for signing up. I wasn't there but I'm sure someone will chime in who was

Runsub5
02-15-2011, 02:10 PM
Here are some interesting numbers. Take from it what you will. Shawn Sirman and Josh VanDyk currently lead the team in the (+/-) category with a +8. One thing this tells me (among others), is that Maine scores goals when Sirman is in net and that VanDyk is playing pretty good defense. Banwell has a -14.:eek: He may be a real victim here.

acs64
02-15-2011, 02:26 PM
Here are some interesting numbers. Take from it what you will. Shawn Sirman and Josh VanDyk currently lead the team in the (+/-) category with a +8. One thing this tells me (among others), is that Maine scores goals when Sirman is in net and that VanDyk is playing pretty good defense. Banwell has a -14.:eek: He may be a real victim here.

Shawn Sirman has a plus/minus ??? :) We need to send you to the Nick Papagiorgia/Carmine Scrapagio skool of plus-minus-ology. :D:D:D

KnowItAll
02-15-2011, 02:27 PM
As someone who has supported the coach in the past I won't be joining any such group, while I share everyones disappointment and frustration to this point. I said there could be no excuses going into this season and I stand by that.

Having said all that I have to say that I am very disappointed to see a former player, and at that a captain join a list like this. Jeff if you have issues, you can take the pull you have to address them with the administration, that's an ability you have that the rest of us do not.

We all appreciated how Jeff emerged due to his willingness to give 100% on the ice. But let's also be realistic and understand that if Coach Walsh had been at the helm when Jeff was at Maine he likely would not have been on the roster by the time he was a senior as he simply did not have the talent. So while he may be supporting the dismissal of his previous coach, he should understand the facts. Just my opinion, but since Jeff put himself out there I felt it was fair to share it.

You are welcome to go ahead and take your shots at me I can take it!

take a small step backward and ask yourself why the players elected him Captain.... and then think again about whether or not he would have been on a Walsh roster... Walsh knew better than anyone that a successful team has to have the very best fourth liners and checkers... Marshall was the hardest worker of all and his teammates recognized that (and they also realized that he attained the least considering the time he put in, but he still led by example and deserved the C)

good team chemistry means not getting down when you don't get PP time... Aquino was the opposite of Marshall

Tango
02-15-2011, 02:41 PM
Havn't seen Corkum or Shemansky in months. Did somthing happen or are they just not playing well enough to get playing time?

sandiegoblkbr
02-15-2011, 02:45 PM
As someone who has supported the coach in the past I won't be joining any such group, while I share everyones disappointment and frustration to this point. I said there could be no excuses going into this season and I stand by that.

Having said all that I have to say that I am very disappointed to see a former player, and at that a captain join a list like this. Jeff if you have issues, you can take the pull you have to address them with the administration, that's an ability you have that the rest of us do not.

We all appreciated how Jeff emerged due to his willingness to give 100% on the ice. But let's also be realistic and understand that if Coach Walsh had been at the helm when Jeff was at Maine he likely would not have been on the roster by the time he was a senior as he simply did not have the talent. So while he may be supporting the dismissal of his previous coach, he should understand the facts. Just my opinion, but since Jeff put himself out there I felt it was fair to share it.

You are welcome to go ahead and take your shots at me I can take it!

Disappointed in this post, Bob. :(

walrus
02-15-2011, 02:48 PM
Havn't seen Corkum or Shemansky in months. Did somthing happen or are they just not playing well enough to get playing time?

Out for the season, Corkum Hip issues, Shemansky Concussion

sandiegoblkbr
02-15-2011, 02:48 PM
Bear he is absolutely more qualified to state his opinion. Maybe I just look at it as a matter of character on his part. I pride myself on being fair, and try not to ever critique players publicly when they are at Maine, and even after they leave. But since Jeff went public on a social site I have no problem stating my opinion on his abilities. I supported him 100% when he played for Maine, now that he has stepped out to vocalize his opinions I harbor no guilt by speaking my mind.

I too have been with the program since the beginning. Conn, Crespi, Nord, Aubut, the Tortorella brothers, saw them all play while I was a student. I used to post regularly on this site, but tend to take a back seat these days. As I said I will leave the decisions to the powers that be, they know far more than I ever will. I was really hoping this season would be the one to get us back on the national stage, and am concerned about the future. With everyone berating the coach all the time it's nice for me to be berated for expressing my opinion about 1 former player. I have no problem with that!

The powers that be DON'T know more than you do! Too bad that you don't see that.......and still VERY disappointed in your prior post disparaging a former player for not supporting Whitehead! That is effed up!

sandiegoblkbr
02-15-2011, 02:50 PM
My understanding is jokes were made about him at the end of season Banquet so I don't blame him for signing up.

Amen!

BobF
02-15-2011, 03:35 PM
Disappointed in this post, Bob. :(

Well maybe you should not use me as part of your signature. Jeff is not a kid he is a man. He has come out on the most popular social website to ask for the dismissal of his former coach. And I am not entitled to say he was a marginal player! So was Campbell Blair who ended up being in clothes on the bench with Walsh and not on the ice. Sorry for stating my opinion, when many of you have taken shots at the coach and not felt the least bit of guilt to send him packing.

I am not making judgements on his abilities or inabilities. Just stating that like with other professions if you have a problem with the boss, or former boss you take it up the chain of command and don't go public. Does not have to be everyones value system, but it is mine.

And with regards to not knowing more than the powers that be, stand by that. I have no idea with what is going on behind the scenes! AD, interim or not should certainly have a handle on quality control of the program. I will say that unlike other years this group of players has not quit on each other or the coach, but we all know thus far they have underachieved on the ice.

Diego, tend to have respect, even if we disagree, but I did not put Jeff in this, he did! As a result I harbored no reservations in expressing my opinion. Everyone has opinions about the players on our team, and don't have problems expressing them from time-to-time, the most reason case being Diamond. I have done the same with a player that last laced them up for Maine 3 years ago so if your disappointed I am sorry, but I won't retract my opinion.

Pucknut
02-15-2011, 03:39 PM
My understanding is jokes were made about him at the end of season Banquet so I don't blame him for signing up. I wasn't there but I'm sure someone will chime in who was

I was at the banquet and Tim did joke about Jeff and others, you can bet it was not in anyway meant to be derogatory. Jokes and ribbing are part of the makeup of any team. Players and coaches ribbing one another is a huge part of the team chemistry. Walshie started the “Kangaroo Court” and it’s still in existence today. One player joked about a coach’s wife and new baby that all laugh about. All of the remarks are made in jest and taken that way by most of the attendees, coaches and players. If you have thin skin it won’t take your teammates and coaches long to single you out.

acs64
02-15-2011, 04:10 PM
I was at the banquet and Tim did joke about Jeff and others, you can bet it was not in anyway meant to be derogatory. Jokes and ribbing are part of the makeup of any team. Players and coaches ribbing one another is a huge part of the team chemistry. Walshie started the “Kangaroo Court” and it’s still in existence today. One player joked about a coach’s wife and new baby that all laugh about. All of the remarks are made in jest and taken that way by most of the attendees, coaches and players. If you have thin skin it won’t take your teammates and coaches long to single you out.

I think everyone understands that that is the way it is. I'm trying to put myself in Jeff's shoes here though. Imagine being the captain of your team and having to sit as a healthy scratch for several games to end your senior season and your career.. I cant imagine what he must have done or not done to have that happen to him. Was he just entrenched in Whiteheads dog house so deep he could not get out or what? Its just inconceivable to me how someone, whom all the players and coaches felt strongly enough about to pin the C on, could get demoted so low that he has to finish his career with such embarassment. The whole thing just smacks fishy to me.

Again, I think Whiteheads a chitty manager of people, teams and situations. Simple. Its what we do every day...manage. Some much better than others.

UML
02-15-2011, 04:13 PM
Any of you guys making the trip down to Lowell this weekend?

Slapshot08
02-15-2011, 04:38 PM
Im with Bob. Marshall's one captain out of how many? And really the way his career ended, he's not an objective source. Respect to the kid but i take his position with a grain of salt

While Jeff should shoulder some of the blame for ending his career the way he did (in the stands during the HE playoffs), I think Whitehead needs to shoulder most of the blame. How can he appoint a guy Captain that he doesn't have enough faith in to dress for the playoffs. Jeff didn't appoint himself captain...Whitehead did. While guys like Chris Hahn (4.0 GPA and a hustler) play without a letter on their sweater. You mean, in 3 years, Whitehead couldn't figure out that Hahn would have been a better captain than Marshall??? IMO, a captain that is sitting in the stands for more than a game or 2 should have never been made captain. Whitehead: FAIL.

KnowItAll
02-15-2011, 04:44 PM
I have no idea with what is going on behind the scenes! .

I got a good idea that you do know, and I cannot believe that you are willfully that blind.

I mean... learning about what is going on behind the scenes can start with seeing a former captain on that Facebook page.
and again, how many times can you deny that something very bad was up when about 20 alumni were in maine 2 summers ago during alumni weekend, and only a very few were willing to participate in Tim's alumni game/weekend?
The boycott of alumni weekend was organized, not accidental.... does that still not tell you about what is going on behind the scenes?

that said... I don't think that I have ever seen a coach bench 2 captains at the ends of their senior years.... Whitehead had 2... mush and marshall
Mush was not fast enough and that team was going places.
Marshall was an integral cog and playing him in the last game of the regular season would not have hurt the team.