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allnightwong
02-03-2011, 03:12 PM
Hey guys, being the stat geek that I am, four years ago I looked over each roster and tallied up where each Division 1 player hailed from. If they were American, I put which state, if they were Canadian I put which province or territory and if they aren't from the U.S or Canada, I put their country. This information was probably more easily available than me scanning through each team's roster, but I have a lot of time on my hands and enjoy scanning through each team's roster. I figured after four years, the turnaround is complete and I'd share my latest findings with my fellow USCHO users.

Of the 1,549 rostered NCAA Division 1 players these are my findings...
USA (1,043)
Canada (475)
World (31)

USA
Minnesota- 179
Michigan- 128
Massachusetts- 112
New York- 97
Illinois- 62
Pennsylvania- 57
California- 50
Wisconsin- 43
Colorado- 36
Connecticut- 31
Ohio- 31
Missouri- 24
New Jersey- 22
Alaska- 17
Texas- 15
New Hampshire- 14
Arizona- 13
Florida- 13
Virginia- 11
North Dakota- 9
Vermont- 9
Rhode Island- 8
Washington- 7
Indiana- 6
Maine- 6
Georgia- 5
Iowa- 5
Maryland- 5
Nebraska- 5
Kansas- 4
Alabama- 3
Oklahoma- 3
Nevada- 2
South Dakota- 2
Tennessee- 2
Idaho- 1
Kentucky- 1
Montana- 1
North Carolina- 1
Oregon- 1
Washington D.C.- 1
Wyoming- 1

41 states (plus D.C.) represented.
Only states without representation are Arkansas, Delaware, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, New Mexico, South Carolina, Utah, West Virginia.

Canada
Ontario- 172
Alberta- 111
British Columbia- 76
Quebec- 43
Saskatchewan- 40
Manitoba- 24
New Brunswick- 3
Nova Scotia- 3
Yukon- 2
Nunavut- 1

World
Sweden- 11
Slovakia- 5
Finland- 4
Netherlands- 2
Austria- 1
Belarus- 1
Croatia- 1
Czech Republic- 1
Denmark- 1
France- 1
Holland- 1
Italy- 1
Norway- 1

Interesting notes...
- Boston College has one lone Canadian and of course he is from B.C.
- Clarkson has 12 representatives from Ontario.
- Cornell has a fifth of Texas' representation with 3 players from the Lone Star State.
- Ferris State has 15 players who hail from Michigan. The most from a team without Michigan in their school's name.

Of the current top 50 point getters in D1...
- 30 are American
- 17 are Canadian
- 2 are Swedish
- 1 is French

It interests me...it doesn't have to interest you...hopefully some of you out there find it interesting!

burgie12
02-03-2011, 03:17 PM
- Ferris State has 15 players who hail from Michigan. The most from a team without Michigan in their school's name.
Yea, but Ferris State is still in Michigan. Which team not in Michigan has the most Michigan players?

Ralph Baer
02-03-2011, 03:24 PM
If you also did this four years ago, do you still have that data? It might be interesting to find out which places are increasing and which are deceasing in their representation.

allnightwong
02-03-2011, 03:37 PM
Yea, but Ferris State is still in Michigan. Which team not in Michigan has the most Michigan players?

Per your request...

Bowling Green- 6
Uconn- 4
Miami- 4
Notre Dame- 4
Army- 4
Canisius- 3
Air Force- 3
Ohio State- 3

allnightwong
02-03-2011, 03:37 PM
If you also did this four years ago, do you still have that data? It might be interesting to find out which places are increasing and which are deceasing in their representation.

I'll have to dig it up...good idea.

LTsatch
02-03-2011, 03:56 PM
The North Dakota number amazes me, the fact that there are not even enough kids coming out of that hockey crazy state to fill two Division One lines is quite interesting. How many high school hockey teams are there in that state? Could be a population thing as well. I think my home state of CT is represented well for our small size, I just wish a few more of our players would stay home.

I would be interested in which teams have the most players from the state that the team is located in. something tells me the top ones would be BC and Minny, but I may be wrong.

goldy_331
02-03-2011, 04:21 PM
Cool numbers, good work.

Just out of curiosity, and because another poster made a big deal about it a few years ago, I did a little running of these numbers compared to State populations. Here are some of the notable States with players produced per 100,000 population:

Minnesota 3.37
Michigan 1.29
Massachusetts 1.72
Alaska 2.39
North Dakota 1.34
Vermont 1.45
Wisconsin 0.57

It would be interesting to compare say, USA Hockey membership numbers by State with players produced as well, but I'm too lazy. ;)

ETA: Connecticut 0.86

allnightwong
02-03-2011, 04:52 PM
The North Dakota number amazes me, the fact that there are not even enough kids coming out of that hockey crazy state to fill two Division One lines is quite interesting. How many high school hockey teams are there in that state? Could be a population thing as well. I think my home state of CT is represented well for our small size, I just wish a few more of our players would stay home.

I would be interested in which teams have the most players from the state that the team is located in. something tells me the top ones would be BC and Minny, but I may be wrong.

Without much digging it has to be Minnesota. 23 of their rostered 27 players are from Minnesota. For a comparative stance, Boston College has 12 of their 24 rostered players born in Massachusetts. Wisconsin is interesting simply because 12 of their 43 D1 players are on the Badgers roster, meaning the great state of Wisconsin which many would assume is a hockey hotbed have the same amount of D1 players as Connecticut and Ohio when you take a look at all the other teams except Wisconsin.

Nevergoodenough
02-03-2011, 04:55 PM
Per your request...

Bowling Green- 6
Uconn- 4
Miami- 4
Notre Dame- 4
Army- 4
Canisius- 3
Air Force- 3
Ohio State- 3

Interesting stuff. Can you determine the schools with the most MN players NOT in MN?

LTsatch
02-03-2011, 09:53 PM
Cool numbers, good work.

Just out of curiosity, and because another poster made a big deal about it a few years ago, I did a little running of these numbers compared to State populations. Here are some of the notable States with players produced per 100,000 population:

Minnesota 3.37
Michigan 1.29
Massachusetts 1.72
Alaska 2.39
North Dakota 1.34
Vermont 1.45
Wisconsin 0.57

It would be interesting to compare say, USA Hockey membership numbers by State with players produced as well, but I'm too lazy. ;)

ETA: Connecticut 0.86

Goldy, I understand your logic, the number of high school hockey programs per state would take it even further. Do all players at the high school level have to register with USA hockey? Lets not even factor the northeast prep schools.:eek:

I appreciate this thread because I was proud to have two state residents on the Yale team last year, this year there are none and it takes away the local flavor of the team for the CT fans.

CCtig
02-03-2011, 10:13 PM
Interesting stuff. Can you determine the schools with the most MN players NOT in MN?

Colorado College usually has between seven and nine Minnesota kids on it's roster, but this season that number is down to five.

fangers
02-05-2011, 09:13 AM
Goldy, I understand your logic, the number of high school hockey programs per state would take it even further. Do all players at the high school level have to register with USA hockey? Lets not even factor the northeast prep schools.:eek:

I do think that high school players have to register, but that may vary by state. In any case, a good number of high school and prep kids play on pre/post teams which does require them to register with USA Hockey.

goldy_331
02-05-2011, 12:09 PM
Goldy, I understand your logic, the number of high school hockey programs per state would take it even further. Do all players at the high school level have to register with USA hockey? Lets not even factor the northeast prep schools.:eek:

I appreciate this thread because I was proud to have two state residents on the Yale team last year, this year there are none and it takes away the local flavor of the team for the CT fans.

In MN high school players do not have to be in USAH. Many may be registered if there was doubt about making varsity so they could switch to Bantams, U16 or JrGold depending on age, but those certain to make varsity probably don't bother.

Few states other than MN use high school as the primary development path toward college ranks, more use Tier I, club teams or prep schools.

Jimjamesak
02-05-2011, 02:48 PM
You are missing one country. Luka Vidmar of UAA is from Slovenia.

darker98
02-05-2011, 04:40 PM
The North Dakota number amazes me, the fact that there are not even enough kids coming out of that hockey crazy state to fill two Division One lines is quite interesting. How many high school hockey teams are there in that state? Could be a population thing as well.

I posted this earlier, but got lost when the servers crashed. North dakota has 18 or 17.5 H.S. teams. Wahpeton/Breckenridge is a Co-op between a North Dakota and Minnesota High School that play in North Dakota. It is possible that a Minnesota H.S. could lay claim to a ND State Championship.
http://ndhighschoolhockey.com/NorthDakotaBoysHighSchoolHockey/default.aspx Oops forgot link of 18 teams.

solovsfett
02-05-2011, 04:47 PM
These numbers are pretty astounding.

#1 - Minnesota. all 5 of the MN NCAA teams could theoretically put Pride-On-Ice teams of only minnesota players on the ice and there'd still be 80 D-1 caliber players left for other teams...WOW!
#2 - Michigan overtaking Massachussetts for #2 in numbers here. ***? what happened mass?
#3 - Wisconsin is vastly underproducing relative to population. I know that high-school hockey didn't start in earnest in southeastern wisconsin (population center) until about 1992-1994 but ****, Wisconsin's numbers should be north of 80-90 players.
#4/5 - Looking at Illinois and Pennsylvania. holy ****. PSU will have a nice foundation of home-grown talent to start their program. AND, if either Northwestern or Illinois get a team, same thing.

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Dmann
02-05-2011, 04:55 PM
Very cool, thanks for doing this. Denver has had some great contributions from Colorado born and raised kids. This year we have the Shore bros, Drew and Nick. We hope to their younger brother in the near future. Interesting about that French kid at Merrimack. Not only is he from Paris ( a real hockey hot bed:rolleyes: , but he's really good) I love that hockey is so international!! Nice job!!!

darker98
02-05-2011, 05:58 PM
The North Dakota number amazes me, the fact that there are not even enough kids coming out of that hockey crazy state to fill two Division One lines is quite interesting. How many high school hockey teams are there in that state? Could be a population thing as well.

Population is another reason as well.
2 cities in Minnesota. Minneapolis pop. 385,378 and St. Paul pop. 281,253 = 666,631. North Dakota statewide 646,844
I don't think our ratio is that bad per population. I have broken down schools and their population of residents below. Later I'll post the actual students (male) from grades 9-12.

Grafton-Park River. 4,516 + 1,535 = 6,051
Grand Forks Central & Red River 49,321 + (Air force Base) 4,832 = 54,153
West Fargo 14,940
Fargo North & South/Shanley & Davies 90,599
Devil's Lake 7,222
Wahpeton, ND-Breckenridge MN 8,586 + 3,559 = 12,145
Bismarck Century & High 55,532
Bottineau 2,336
Minot 36,567 + (Air Force Base) 7,559 = 44,166
Jamestown 15,527
Mandan 16,718
Williston 12,512
Dickinson 16,010
Hazen-Buelah 2,547 + 3,152 = 5,609

allnightwong
02-07-2011, 08:30 AM
Very cool, thanks for doing this. Denver has had some great contributions from Colorado born and raised kids. This year we have the Shore bros, Drew and Nick. We hope to their younger brother in the near future. Interesting about that French kid at Merrimack. Not only is he from Paris ( a real hockey hot bed:rolleyes: , but he's really good) I love that hockey is so international!! Nice job!!!

Don't mention it. Any other studies, research you guys want me to look into? I do enjoy this type of research and work so if anyone has suggestions let me know.

LTsatch
02-07-2011, 10:20 AM
There are other anomalies as well, take the case of Yales Clinton Bourbonais he is listed as hailing from Colchester, CT but grew up and played his earlier hockey at St. Mary's Prep - Orchard Lakes, Michigan. I do not consider him a CT kid, did you go back and research where the player actually grew up or just what town he is listed as living in?