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sammich824
02-12-2011, 03:30 PM
Sigh.

He has almost no two-way game, doesn't like to pass, and then turns over the puck a lot in the offensive zone. These things, and some good heads-up plays are not mutually exclusive.


I just went to watch the replay again to make sure I'm not crazy. It was a lucky goal. Burt takes a shot right into Canisius's skates, fortunately another RIT player (mighta been Hartley) recovers it. It gets put back on net a couple of times; Morrison makes the save, but doesn't know where the rebound went - it was sitting just between his skate and the right post. Yes, good on Burt for seeing that and getting a stick on it. But in the end, it's a lucky goal. There was no "great play to set up" the goal. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time to see the puck, and was fortunate the defenders and goaltender didn't see it.


The way people are jumping to his defense, you'd think I was comparing him to David Koci or Paul Bisonette. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: if anything he's more like Alexander Semin. He has a great deal of talent, and goes on streaks where he dominates. But he has no two-way game, likes to hog the puck, likes to try to do the same thing again and again in the offensive zone even if it's not working, turns over the puck a lot, and will give you a PP for retaliation any time you ask. I don't dislike Burt, I just want him to be the player he was last year.



Yes. Exactly.

Since when is being in the right place at the right time a bad thing? That's not luck, that's how hockey is supposed to be played. If he wasn't there you'd be complaining that he was in the wrong place. I will never understand why some people are so unrealistic in their evaluations of Burt - it's like you expect miracles from him and when you don't get them it's his fault. He protects the puck so he's a puck hog. He's got more than his fair share of takeaways and more often than not he comes out of the corner with the puck but he has no two way game. He plays bruised, battered and beaten but he has no interest in the game. Wow, I just wish I had thought to put this all in a Valentine's Day card for him.

komey1
02-12-2011, 03:33 PM
That is exactly what not to do! Right now is crunch time. You don't tell them good job. You get angry at them when they did something wrong. Keep the dream alive by getting frustrated with them. Don't let them get a big head. Burt was alright yesterday and still gets stupid penalties. End of story. The time to give them credit is at the end of the season. This team hasn't even peaked yet. Criticize them!!!

You might want to consider decaf. ;)

All blazer is pointing out are some of the positives. And positive reinforcement is very useful. Obviously there a some flaws with this year team. But in spite them them, look at all the accomplishments that blazer put out there. RIT is about to clinch their 4th regular season in 5 years. Consider that at the start of the year, some of us were thinking that they would be lucky to make it to Blue Cross for the AHA semifinals, it's a heck of a year.

The flaws are there. We should make mention of them - the overabundance of penalties, lack of offiensive production from defensemen, etc. But we don't need to dwell on them.

RIT should look to win the regular season and them make sure that everyone is healthy for the AHA tournament because that is what matters in the end.

komey1
02-12-2011, 03:36 PM
Since when is being in the right place at the right time a bad thing? That's not luck, that's how hockey is supposed to be played. If he wasn't there you'd be complaining that he was in the wrong place. I will never understand why some people are so unrealistic in their evaluations of Burt - it's like you expect miracles from him and when you don't get them it's his fault. He protects the puck so he's a puck hog. He's got more than his fair share of takeaways and more often than not he comes out of the corner with the puck but he has no two way game. He plays bruised, battered and beaten but he has no interest in the game. Wow, I just wish I had thought to put this all in a Valentine's Day card for him.

Dear Cameron,

Your stick is unreal.

:D :p ;)

My heart told me to write that.

jgRIT
02-12-2011, 06:41 PM
What are the chances the goalies will be Cheverie for Rochester and DeMichiel for Hershey when the Bears come to town next Friday?


Powers &8^]

They've actually played eachother twice in the ECHL. The record is 1-1, so a rematch to settle it would be nice :P

RIT Winters
02-12-2011, 06:52 PM
You might want to consider decaf. ;)

All blazer is pointing out are some of the positives. And positive reinforcement is very useful. Obviously there a some flaws with this year team. But in spite them them, look at all the accomplishments that blazer put out there. RIT is about to clinch their 4th regular season in 5 years. Consider that at the start of the year, some of us were thinking that they would be lucky to make it to Blue Cross for the AHA semifinals, it's a heck of a year.

The flaws are there. We should make mention of them - the overabundance of penalties, lack of offiensive production from defensemen, etc. But we don't need to dwell on them.

RIT should look to win the regular season and them make sure that everyone is healthy for the AHA tournament because that is what matters in the end.

The sooner we clinch the season title, the sooner we go back to platooning goalies until the playoffs. I realize this is a good thing for Watson, but a bad thing for us to have to watch..

That being said, it will feel good to have clinched as early as tomorrow while being able to spoil RMU or Niagara's second place chances.

komey1
02-12-2011, 07:18 PM
The sooner we clinch the season title, the sooner we go back to platooning goalies until the playoffs. I realize this is a good thing for Watson, but a bad thing for us to have to watch..

That being said, it will feel good to have clinched as early as tomorrow while being able to spoil RMU or Niagara's second place chances.

Barring injury, I don't expect that Watson sees ice time the rest of the year. I could see Ropponen starting senior night if first place is clinched by then. But I think that Coach will make sure Madolora stays sharp.

And I want Niagara in second place (or maybe third) so that they are in the other side of the bracket from RIT.

RIT Winters
02-12-2011, 07:24 PM
A buddy of mine at the meet and greet today congratulated Watson on his win over Cornell.

Ropponen started in that game. And was sitting right next to Watson. Quite a hilarious moment for me, but an embarrassing one for him. I'll be sporting my new sigs tomorrow @ Canisius.

LtPowers
02-12-2011, 07:59 PM
I DID NOT know you guys were the most penalized team in the league, it's been YEARS since I've seen 2, count 'em, 2 10 minute misconducts called in the same game, let alone the same period!

To be fair, only one of those was on us!


Powers &8^]

komey1
02-12-2011, 09:17 PM
The vast majority of games that RIT gets a lot of penalty minutes, the other team has a lot as well. There are several games that RIT doesn't have a lot of penalties - even by refs that the Corner Crew generally don't think are good refs (see RIT-Air Force Friday game).

RITProf
02-12-2011, 09:50 PM
I noticed that on the RIT stats page earlier. RIT has 591 PIMs on the year and RIT's opponents have 593. So while the totals are high, RIT is even with their opponents. There have been a lot of retaliation penalties this year, so the "problem" might just be that the opponents are gooning it up on RIT and taking advantage of the lack of discipline that we've all been talking about (rather than RIT being the instigators???).

EDIT: Bummer to see the women lost this evening. Although it might be good to get one loss out of the system before the playoffs. It was awful painful to see the first loss for the men come in the NCAA final back in 2000-01.

TigerFan86-87
02-12-2011, 10:34 PM
League leader in penalty minutes.
D1 leader in tied games
How exactly are these good things to brag about?


Record just short of matching last years wins at this time
With four games left in the regular season in 2009-10, RIT had 18 wins. Currently this year, they have 15. And unless they get ridiculously hot again, the record of 28 set last year won't even be approached. In fact, the most wins they could get is 27, and that is if they win the National Championship (wow, wouldn't that be awesome :))
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TigerFan86-87
02-12-2011, 10:43 PM
Well, we won. Personally I don't think we played all that well, but Canisius really gave us a hand by stinking up the joint.


Don't think RIT played all that well???? What game were you watching?
That was a masterpiece of team defense, IMHO. No, it wasn't an 8 goal outburst like last year. But they shut down, frustrated, and shut out an explosive offensive team which has the 09-10 AHA player of the year on their # 1 line. I just hope they can do it again on Sunday. That was quite an effort all the way around. The PK was awesome! The team defense was awesome! The goaltending was once again a rock. The only issue I saw was the continued power play inefficiency, although they didn't have all that many opportunities. As soon as that starts clicking, this team will go places.

komey1
02-12-2011, 11:23 PM
Based on today's results, if RIT gets at least a tie, RIT will clinch a bye for the first round.

blazer777
02-13-2011, 05:08 AM
How exactly are these good things to brag about?

Okay, I was only kidding with that one but in my defense, I've harped on the stupid penalties they've taken all year long and how they need to cut down on them if they are to make it deep into the play-off's \ FF.


With four games left in the regular season in 2009-10, RIT had 18 wins. Currently this year, they have 15. And unless they get ridiculously hot again, the record of 28 set last year won't even be approached. In fact, the most wins they could get is 27, and that is if they win the National Championship (wow, wouldn't that be awesome :))


If you look at the regular season wins of 22 last year and if they win the remaining 4, they would be just shy of or 'just short' of 22.


If it wasn't for penalties in close games, how many more wins do you think RIT would have?

I'm thinking they would have won the 2nd AFA game.

LtPowers
02-13-2011, 07:07 AM
The only issue I saw was the continued power play inefficiency, although they didn't have all that many opportunities.

One for two? What else do you want?


Powers &8^]

Rochester
02-13-2011, 07:36 AM
Anyone making the trip over to Buffalo today? I know I am!

RITMRC Tiger
02-13-2011, 08:35 AM
Anyone making the trip over to Buffalo today? I know I am!

I'll be there!

komey1
02-13-2011, 10:27 AM
Okay, I was only kidding with that one but in my defense, I've harped on the stupid penalties they've taken all year long and how they need to cut down on them if they are to make it deep into the play-off's \ FF.


RIT RARELY has that much more penalty minutes in a game than opponents. Yes, RIT could cut down on the retaliations, but at some point they need to defend themselves because the officials can't/won't call everything.
[QUOTEIf it wasn't for penalties in close games, how many more wins do you think RIT would have?

I'm thinking they would have won the 2nd AFA game.[/QUOTE]

Lack of effort after the 2st period cost them the second AFA (really the 3rd - they WON the second game 1-0 :) ) The penalties didn't help, but that wasn't the only reason.

RIT Winters
02-13-2011, 10:55 AM
Leader in ties is not a bad thing. It means we have a lot of experience playing in close games, and in overtime. Both of those factors could be very important going forward into the playoffs.

I'll be on the RIT Bus up to Buffalo today as well!

blazer777
02-13-2011, 01:14 PM
RIT RARELY has that much more penalty minutes in a game than opponents. Yes, RIT could cut down on the retaliations, but at some point they need to defend themselves because the officials can't/won't call everything.
[QUOTEIf it wasn't for penalties in close games, how many more wins do you think RIT would have?

I'm thinking they would have won the 2nd AFA game.

Lack of effort after the 2st period cost them the second AFA (really the 3rd - they WON the second game 1-0 :) ) The penalties didn't help, but that wasn't the only reason.[/QUOTE]

I transposed these from the RIT website via Excel so I might have copied over something incorrectly but here are the last four years.

2010/2011 is turning out to be a bad year for 10 minute misconduct's if we keep picking them up. Funny how our OPP's increased this year too.

2010/2011 RIT OPP
Penalties 219 201
Minutes 591 593
10 Min Miscon 8 10

2009/2010 RIT OPP
Penalties 256 277
Minutes 600 636
10 Min Miscon 5 4

2008/2009 RIT OPP
Penalties 301 283
Minutes 681 593
10 Min Miscon 4 3

2007/2008 RIT OPP
Penalties 286 271
Minutes 701 661
10 Min Miscon 11 6

Here's to winning out the rest of the regular season and getting ready for the play-offs.