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burgie12
01-30-2011, 05:38 PM
Once again, I'm stealing this from the Hockey East thread. Todd set up the format and the amount of detail and I'm cannibalizing it for ECAC use.

--- Bye Lock - 32+
--- Home Lock - 27
Yale 22 - 38 [1-10]
UC 21 - 37 [1-10]
PU 19 - 35 [1-11]
RPI 18 - 34 [1-11]
DC 18 - 34 [1-11]
Cornell 16 - 32 [1-12]
QU 15 - 29 [1-12]
CCT 13 - 31 [1-12]
Brown 11 - 27 [1-12]
SLU 7 - 25 [1-12]
Harvard 6 - 20 [4-12]
--- Bye Eligible - 20
Colgate 2 - 18 [6-12]
--- Home Eligible - 15

Remaining League Schedules:
Yale - Harvard, DC, @SLU, @CCT, @QU, @PU, Colgate, Cornell
UC - @PU, @QU, Cornell, Colgate, @CCT, @SLU, QU, PU
PU - UC, RPI, @Harvard, @DC, Brown, Yale, @RPI, @UC
RPI - @QU, @PU, Colgate, Cornell, @SLU, @CCT, PU, QU
DC - @Brown, @Yale, QU, PU, @Colgate, @Cornell, SLU, CCT
Cornell - CCT, SLU, @UC, @RPI, Harvard, DC, @Brown, @Yale
QU - RPI, UC, @DC, Yale, Brown, @UC, @RPI
CCT - @Cornell, @Colgate, Brown, Yale, @SLU, UC, RPI, @Harvard, @DC
Brown - Harvard, DC, @CCT, @SLU, @PU, @QU, Cornell, Colgate
SLU - @Colgate, @Cornell, Yale, Brown, CCT, RPI, UC, @DC, @Harvard
Harvard - @Brown, @Yale, PU, @Cornell, @Colgate, CCT, SLU
Colgate - SLU, CCT, @RPI, @UC, DC, Harvard, @Yale, @Brown

We're down to the last 4 weekends of ECAC play and there's still a lot to be hashed out before the playoffs roll around in March. Week by week, I hope to take a mathematical approach to the possibilities that abound as each team tries to solidify their standing.

A lot of my number crunching comes from the Sioux Sports what-if calculator (http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=4). I'm using the ECAC Hockey's tie-breaking guidelines (http://ecachockey.com/men/tournament/ChampTieBreaking) to split ties that I come across. I really, really hope that slack.net puts up their ECAC Playoff Possibilities Script (http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/2010/ecac.cgiframe.shtml) again this year (link goes to last year's version).

Let's start with some certainties...

Yale and Union have already racked up enough points that they cannot be caught by either Harvard or Colgate, even if they both won out all of their games (which isn't even possible). Princeton has also accumulated enough points that they cannot be caught by the Raiders.

RPI cannot finish in 12th. If the Engineers were to lose out their remaining 8 games, they would finish the season with 18 points. Colgate and Harvard would also be able to reach 18 points by winning out the rest of the season (with Colgate winning the head-to-head match-up). The 3-way tiebreaker would see all of the teams taking 4 points from the other 2 and Colgate would lose the second tiebreaker (wins because their record would be 8-12-2 while both Harvard and RPI would have 9-13-0 records), meaning that Rensselaer cannot finish 12th.

Dartmouth is in a similar predicament as RPI. They've already swept the season series against both Colgate and Harvard, so a 3-way Raider-Crimson-Green tie would put Dartmouth into 10th place. If Harvard wins the Harvard-Colgate game, then Colgate finishes in 12th place by themselves and Dartmouth / Rensselaer could slip down to 11th place.

I've tried a number of different scenarios to try and bump up Harvard and Colgate. The best I've been able to do is putting Harvard in a tie for 4th with RPI, behind Yale, Union, and Princeton. If RPI splits with Quinnipiac by tying both games, then the Crimson win the tiebreaker on the second criteria (wins). For Colgate, the best I've been able to do is 6th, either by themselves or in a tie with Clarkson, either way gives them the 6 seed come March (they would win the tiebreaker against Clarkson by taking 3 points on the season).

Next, let's look at the "thresholds" that are being employed. Bye Lock refers to the number of points that a team would have to have at the end of the season assuming that 5th place has the most points possible. Bye Eligible refers to the least possible number of points that a team can get and still finish in 4th place. Home Lock and Home Eligible are similar but refer to the 8th / 9th place race, instead of the 4th / 5th place race. Once the 4 teams that have won byes are determined, the "Bye Lock" and "Bye Eligible" thresholds will merge.

The "Bye Lock" threshold is currently set at 32+. I can get the Top 5 teams to all have at least 32 points (Dartmouth, RPI tie for 4th at 32), so to guarantee yourself a week off in the beginning of March, you need at least 32 points and the proper tiebreakers (at this time... once teams start losing, this number drops).

The "Bye Eligible" threshold is put at 20 points, for now. The six-team group of RPI, Dartmouth, Cornell, Quinnipiac, Clarkson, and Brown gets grouped up from 4th to 9th, with one team having 20 points and the other 5 having 19.

The "Home Lock" threshold is currently set at 27. I got it by getting Yale to 28 points, having a 7-way tie for 2nd place at 27, and then Union is the odd team out in 9th place with 26 points. Of course, the actual teams don't matter, and it doesn't have to be Union finishing in 9th (I just wanted to make it that way :)).

The "Home Eligible" threshold lays at 15. Quinnipiac can still get home ice without getting another point on the season, as long as Brown, St. Lawrence, Harvard, and Colgate cooperate.

The travel partners of RPI / Union and Quinnipiac / Princeton are the only ones that have not played each other yet this season. Since there are so many different match-ups and the standings are so jumbled in the middle, there are lots of possibilities here. Thankfully, there's only two more weeks (give or take) where we have to deal with games in hand. After the St. Lawrence - Clarkson game on Feb 15th, all 12 teams will have 4 games remaining.

For those of you looking for a "probability"-based look at the standings and playoff possibilities, I'm going to direct you to this site (http://playoffstatus.com/ecachockey/ecacstandings.html). My issue is that they don't look at the possibility of ties (which is why they have RPI possibly finishing 12th) and their "probabilities" are not explained and seem like they are derived at random.

Thanks for reading. I hope that this was useful and that it helps shed some light on the playoff race as we head down the road towards Atlantic City.

goblue78
01-30-2011, 06:25 PM
Most of what you're looking for is here: http://www.playoffstatus.com/ecachockey/ecachockeypostseasonprob.html

UnionHockeyManiac
01-30-2011, 06:26 PM
Thanks for posting!

burgie12
01-30-2011, 07:07 PM
Most of what you're looking for is here: http://www.playoffstatus.com/ecachockey/ecachockeypostseasonprob.html

For those of you looking for a "probability"-based look at the standings and playoff possibilities, I'm going to direct you to this site (http://playoffstatus.com/ecachockey/ecacstandings.html). My issue is that they don't look at the possibility of ties (which is why they have RPI possibly finishing 12th) and their "probabilities" are not explained and seem like they are derived at random.
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goblue78
01-30-2011, 07:38 PM
Apologies... I didn't read carefully down to the end. I'm not sure, but I think their probabilities are odds-based from winning percentages, and I think Krach would have been better (though still not perfect).

burgie12
01-30-2011, 07:54 PM
Apologies... I didn't read carefully down to the end. I'm not sure, but I think their probabilities are odds-based from winning percentages, and I think Krach would have been better (though still not perfect).
I agree. That is likely from where the odds are derived, but they don't detail it anywhere. A single sentence would suffice.

My main reason for doing this was to make sure that I do this leading up to the last two weekends. Once more games get played, it's fun to see teams drop out of bye / home-ice contention and to see the number of points necessary for a bye or home-ice slowly converge.

Ralph Baer
01-30-2011, 11:40 PM
I agree. That is likely from where the odds are derived, but they don't detail it anywhere. A single sentence would suffice.

My main reason for doing this was to make sure that I do this leading up to the last two weekends. Once more games get played, it's fun to see teams drop out of bye / home-ice contention and to see the number of points necessary for a bye or home-ice slowly converge.

I read on some thread a couple of years ago that that site uses a Monte Carlo approach. They run a lot of random scenarios and get possiibilities and probabilities that way. Clearly if they don't run enough cases, they can miss something. I did not find where it said that on the site.

burgie12
02-05-2011, 02:58 PM
An update after last night's games. Yale can be the first team to clinch home-ice (without having to go into tiebreakers) today with any combination of 2 points between themselves (vs Dartmouth) and Cornell (vs St. Lawrence) today. A Clarkson win tonight would clinch something at the other end of the standings. The Raiders would be guaranteed to go on the road in March.

--- Bye Lock - 31+
--- Home Lock - 25+
Yale 24 - 38 [1-9]
UC 23 - 37 [1-10]
DC 20 - 34 [1-10]
RPI 19 - 33 [1-10]
PU 19 - 33 [1-10]
Cornell 18 - 32 [1-11]
QU 16 - 28 [1-11]
CCT 13 - 29 [1-12]
Brown 11 - 25 [1-12]
SLU 9 - 25 [1-12]
--- Bye Eligible - 21+
Harvard 6 - 18 [6-12]
Colgate 2 - 16 [8-12]
--- Home Eligible - 13+

Remaining League Schedules:
Yale - DC, @SLU, @CCT, @QU, @PU, Colgate, Cornell
UC - @QU, Cornell, Colgate, @CCT, @SLU, QU, PU
DC - @Yale, QU, PU, @Colgate, @Cornell, SLU, CCT
RPI - @PU, Colgate, Cornell, @SLU, @CCT, PU, QU
PU - RPI, @Harvard, @DC, Brown, Yale, @RPI, @UC
Cornell - SLU, @UC, @RPI, Harvard, DC, @Brown, @Yale
QU - UC, @DC, Yale, Brown, @UC, @RPI
CCT - @Colgate, Brown, Yale, @SLU, UC, RPI, @Harvard, @DC
Brown - @CCT, @SLU, @PU, @QU, Harvard, Cornell, Colgate
SLU - @Cornell, Yale, Brown, CCT, RPI, UC, @DC, @Harvard
Harvard - PU, @Cornell, @Colgate, @Brown, CCT, SLU
Colgate - CCT, @RPI, @UC, DC, Harvard, @Yale, @Brown

Here's a quick update after Friday's games.

A lot of my number crunching comes from the Sioux Sports what-if calculator (http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=4) (be careful to not specify the result for the Feb 2nd Harvard-Brown game). I'm using the ECAC Hockey's tie-breaking guidelines (http://ecachockey.com/men/tournament/ChampTieBreaking) to split ties that I come across. I really, really hope that slack.net puts up their ECAC Playoff Possibilities Script (http://slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/2010/ecac.cgiframe.shtml) again this year (link goes to last year's version).

RPI currently holds 4th place over Princeton (before today's game between the two) based on the third tiebreaker (points against Top-4 teams (RPI wins 8-0)).

Let's start with some certainties...

Yale's possible finishes narrows to 1st-9th place. Either Brown or SLU can catch Yale, but not both since they still have a game against each other.

Cornell has enough points that they can't finish in 12th. But, a tie with Harvard would go to the Crimson based on wins (9 vs 8) since the season series would be split.

Quinnipiac can be put into a three-way tie with Harvard and Colgate (if the Raiders beat the Crimson) but wins the head-to-head comparison (8 v 2 v 2). So, they can finish 11th if Harvard sweeps the rest of the season, including the head-to-head against Colgate, but they can't finish 12th.

Brown can still finish in 1st place (very narrowly) with 25 points. They could end up tied with Quinnipiac and would win the tiebreaker based on taking 3 points in the season series.

St. Lawrence can also still finish in 1st place. They can tie with RPI for first place with 25 points, which means that they would split the season series and could win based on wins (12 v 11).

Harvard can still take 6th place if they win out, putting them in a tie with Cornell (which they win, as detailed above).

Colgate can get into a tie for 7th with Quinnipiac, but got swept in the season series against the Bobcats and therefore cannot finish in 7th place.

Next, let's look at the "thresholds" that are being employed...

The "Bye Lock" threshold is currently set at 31+. I can get the Top 5 teams to all have at least 31 points (Princeton, RPI tie for 4th at 31), so to guarantee yourself a week off in the beginning of March, you need at least 31 points and the proper tiebreakers (at this time... once teams start losing, this number drops).

The "Bye Eligible" threshold is put at 21+ points, for now. With Princeton and RPI tied for 4th with 19 points and having not played each other yet, if they split the series, then they can tie for the bye with 21 points. (Rensselaer would win the bye based on points against Top 4 teams.)

The "Home Lock" threshold is currently set at 25+. I got it by having Brown and RPI tie for 8th place with 25 points. The Engineers would get to host the Bears because they swept the season series (but there are other teams that can tie Brown and could potentially lose the tiebreaker).

The "Home Eligible" threshold lays at 13+. Clarkson can potentially lose out and end the season in a 3-way tie for 8th place with Brown and St. Lawrence. These three teams would have split the season series with each of the other two teams and would also end the season with 6 wins each. So, the tiebreaker would go down to points against Top 4 teams (and there's no certainties as to which teams would occupy those spots.

The postponement of the Harvard-Brown game means that there will be an unbalanced number of games remaining for the 12 teams up until the last weekend.

Once again, for those of you looking for a "probability"-based look at the standings and playoff possibilities, I'm going to direct you to this site (http://playoffstatus.com/ecachockey/ecacstandings.html). My issue is that they don't look at the possibility of ties and their "probabilities" are not explained and seem like they are derived at random.

burgie12
02-06-2011, 01:11 AM
And with the conclusion of this weekend's games, the only certainty is that both Yale and Union will both be playing at home in March. They cannot finish at or below 9th place.

--- Bye Lock - 31+
Yale 26 - 38 [1-7]
UC 25 - 37 [1-8]
--- Home Lock - 25
RPI 21 - 33 [1-10]
DC 20 - 32 [1-10]
Cornell 20 - 32 [1-10]
PU 19 - 31 [1-10]
QU 16 - 26 [1-11]
CCT 13 - 27 [1-12]
Brown 11 - 25 [3-12]
SLU 9 - 23 [3-12]
--- Bye Eligible - 21+
Harvard 6 - 18 [7-12]
Colgate 4 - 16 [8-12]
--- Home Eligible - 13+

Remaining League Schedules:
Yale - @SLU, @CCT, @QU, @PU, Colgate, Cornell
UC - Cornell, Colgate, @CCT, @SLU, QU, PU
RPI - Colgate, Cornell, @SLU, @CCT, PU, QU
DC - QU, PU, @Colgate, @Cornell, SLU, CCT
Cornell - @UC, @RPI, Harvard, DC, @Brown, @Yale
PU - @Harvard, @DC, Brown, Yale, @RPI, @UC
QU - @DC, Yale, Brown, @UC, @RPI
CCT - Brown, Yale, @SLU, UC, RPI, @Harvard, @DC
Brown - @CCT, @SLU, @PU, @QU, Harvard, Cornell, Colgate
SLU - Yale, Brown, CCT, RPI, UC, @DC, @Harvard
Harvard - PU, @Cornell, @Colgate, @Brown, CCT, SLU
Colgate - @RPI, @UC, DC, Harvard, @Yale, @Brown

A lot of my number crunching comes from the Sioux Sports what-if calculator (http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=4) (be careful to not specify the result for the Feb 2nd Harvard-Brown game). I'm using the ECAC Hockey's tie-breaking guidelines (http://ecachockey.com/men/tournament/ChampTieBreaking) to split ties that I come across. This season's slack.net ECAC Playoff Possibilities Script (http://69.31.82.90/~whelan/tbrw/2011/ecac.cgiframe.shtml) is up again and should make future looks into tiebreakers that much easier.

Dartmouth holds 4th place over Cornell based on the 3rd tiebreaker criteria (points vs Top 4 teams, 3 v 2).

Let's start with some certainties...

Yale's possible finishes narrows to 1st-7th place. They can finish in a tie that leaves them near 8th place, but they don't and can't lose any individual tiebreaker against any team in the ECAC (and finish with 26 points... if they tie some games, they'll start losing tiebreakers, but then they wouldn't be able to finish with few enough points to fall to 8th place) because no team can take more than 2 points from them and they have not tied a game yet (so they would win the wins comparison against anybody except for Harvard, but the Crimson can't catch the Elis).

Union narrowed their possible finishes to anywhere from 1st to 8th place. The Brown Bears can catch the Dutchmen, but Leaman's squires swept the season series and cannot finish in 9th. And, even that would not be enough. If Brown were to catch Union, then Quinnipiac would not have enough points to pass Union. So, Union definitely cannot finish in 9th place.

The Qpac Cats are still assured of not finishing in 12th place, but their loss to Union tonight did not let them distance themselves enough from Harvard. Quinnipiac can still finish in 1st, with some help in the tiebreaker department. Even though they would split the season series with Yale, they can take 3 points from RPI, while Yale split with the Engineers. So, a 3-way tie for first place between Quinnipiac, Yale, and RPI would give the Bobcats the #1 seed (head-to-head points, 5 v 4 v 3).

Clarkson still has the slimmest of hopes of taking home the Cleary Cup. They can rack up 27 points by winning out and if the other conference games break the right way, they can still finish in first place.

Brown can finish in a tie for 2nd, but any tie at that point would include Union. Brown was swept by Union and Union cannot be swept by any team in the ECAC, so even a 3-way tie would not split the Bears way. I'm not going to delve into a 4 (plus)-way tie, so I'm just calling Brown's ceiling 3rd place.

Harvard's ceiling keeps falling. It's now down to 7th place following Cornell's win against St. Lawrence.

With Colgate's win over Clarkson tonight, their drive for home-ice is still alive. But, the margin for error is still very thin.

Next, let's look at the "thresholds" that are being employed...

I still see the "Bye Lock" threshold at 31+ points. I can get the Top 5 teams to all have at least 31 points (Cornell, Dartmouth, RPI 3-way tie for 3rd at 31), so to guarantee yourself a week off in the beginning of March, you need at least 31 points and the proper tiebreakers. Based on the way I get to this tie, it would be broken with Cornell in 3rd, Rensselaer in 4th, and the Big Green in 5th (split by head-to-head points, 6 v 4 v 2).

The "Bye Eligible" threshold also stays stationary at 21+ points. I got there with a 3-way tie between Cornell, Princeton, and Dartmouth for 4th place. Based on the game results that I used to get there, they would each split the season series with the other two teams and Princeton would get the bye based on wins (10 v 9 v 9).

The "Home Lock" threshold drops from 25+ to 25. With Quinnipiac and Brown still having to face each other later this season, you can't get both teams to have more than 24 points.

The "Home Eligible" threshold still lays at 13+. Clarkson can potentially lose out and end the season in a 3-way tie for 8th place with Brown and St. Lawrence. These three teams would have split the season series with each of the other two teams and would also end the season with 6 wins each. So, the tiebreaker would go down to points against Top 4 teams (and there's no certainties as to which teams would occupy those spots).

LynahFan
02-06-2011, 09:53 AM
Ask and ye shall receive, courtesy of Joe Schlobotnik (http://69.31.82.90/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?ecac.cgi) himself.

burgie12
02-06-2011, 10:12 AM
Ask and ye shall receive, courtesy of Joe Schlobotnik (http://69.31.82.90/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?ecac.cgi) himself.
Great success!

PS Don't forget to include the Feb 22 game between Brown and Harvard.

licwinko
02-06-2011, 10:14 AM
Are we sure that Yale and Union could actually finish 8th? I understand that the 8th place team could catch them in the standings, but could every team 3-8th catch them? It doesn't seem like there's enough points available for everyone to be able to catch them.

I ask because I'm too lazy to figure it out myself--also I don't want to steal your thunder. You've done some amazing work, Burgie!

burgie12
02-06-2011, 10:40 AM
Are we sure that Yale and Union could actually finish 8th? I understand that the 8th place team could catch them in the standings, but could every team 3-8th catch them? It doesn't seem like there's enough points available for everyone to be able to catch them.

I ask because I'm too lazy to figure it out myself--also I don't want to steal your thunder. You've done some amazing work, Burgie!
Well, you caught me on one thing... Yale cannot finish in 8th. Quinnipiac can catch them, but they can't pass them, and Yale would win the tiebreaker on wins (13 v 11). So, Yale's actual basement is 7th place.

As for Union finishing in 8th, I got it with the following (winning team listed first):


Feb 11: SLU-Yale; Cornell-UC; RPI-Colgate; QU-DC; PU-Harvard; CCT-Brown
Feb 12: CCT-Yale; Colgate-UC; RPI-Cornell; DC-PU; SLU-Brown
Feb 15: CCT-SLU
Feb 18: QU-Yale; CCT-UC; RPI-SLU; Cornell-Harvard; DC-Colgate; PU-Brown
Feb 19: SLU-UC; CCT-RPI; DC-Cornell; QU-Brown; Colgate-Harvard
Feb 20: PU-Yale
Feb 22: Harvard-Brown
Feb 25: Colgate-Yale; QU-UC; PU-RPI; Cornell-Brown; DC-SLU; CCT-Harvard
Feb 25: Cornell-Yale; PU-UC; QU-RPI; CCT-DC; Colgate-Brown; Harvard-SLU
Final standings (breaking ties with slack.net):


1 Princeton 29
2 Dartmouth 28
3 Cornell 28
4 Clarkson 27
5 Rensselaer 27
6 Yale 26
7 Quinnipiac 26
8 Union 25
9 St. Lawrence 15
10 Colgate 12
11 Brown 11
12 Harvard 10

Likely? No. Possible? Yes.

licwinko
02-06-2011, 10:44 AM
I'm still amazed that that many teams can catch Yale and Union. Thanks for investigating that!

burgie12
02-06-2011, 10:54 AM
I'm still amazed that that many teams can catch Yale and Union. Thanks for investigating that!
The main reason that so many teams can play catch-up is that Yale, Union, and RPI have all finished their series against each other. Add in the fact that the ECAC uses a travel partner schedule instead of the series style employed by the WCHA / CCHA / Atlantic means that no one has 2 games against any single team remaining, cutting down on the number of splits that have to be put in place to bump up everyone's point totals.

ETA: If anyone wants to see some more bizarre scenarios (such as Union finishing in 8th or Clarkson in 1st or Colgate in 8th or home-ice only needing 13 points), go ahead and ask and I'll bang it out when I get the chance.

aweise
02-06-2011, 04:30 PM
The main reason that so many teams can play catch-up is that Yale, Union, and RPI have all finished their series against each other. Add in the fact that the ECAC uses a travel partner schedule instead of the series style employed by the WCHA / CCHA / Atlantic means that no one has 2 games against any single team remaining, cutting down on the number of splits that have to be put in place to bump up everyone's point totals.


We always seem to have this discussion every year. The ECAC is so competitive that any team can beat any other. Plus, there's always a race for first, a first-round bye, and home ice in round 1.

burgie12
02-12-2011, 02:06 AM
Here's a quick post following the Friday games. Clarkson can still finish anywhere from 1st to 12th, and they are the only team with a possible range still that large. Also interesting (from my perspective, anyways) is that a Brown-SLU tie knocks both teams out of contention for the bye spot.

--- Bye Lock - 30
UC 27 - 37 [1-7]
Yale 26 - 36 [1-7]
--- Home Lock - 24
DC 22 - 32 [1-9]
RPI 21 - 31 [1-10]
Cornell 20 - 30 [1-10]
PU 20 - 30 [1-10]
QU 16 - 24 [3-11]
CCT 15 - 27 [1-12]
Brown 11 - 23 [4-12]
SLU 11 - 23 [4-12]
--- Bye Eligible - 23+
Harvard 7 - 17 [7-12]
Colgate 6 - 16 [8-12]
--- Home Eligible - 15

Remaining League Schedules:
UC - Colgate, @CCT, @SLU, QU, PU
Yale - @CCT, @QU, @PU, Colgate, Cornell
DC - PU, @Colgate, @Cornell, SLU, CCT
RPI - Cornell, @SLU, @CCT, PU, QU
Cornell - @RPI, Harvard, DC, @Brown, @Yale
PU - @DC, Brown, Yale, @RPI, @UC
QU - Yale, Brown, @UC, @RPI
CCT - Yale, @SLU, UC, RPI, @Harvard, @DC
Brown - @SLU, @PU, @QU, Harvard, Cornell, Colgate
SLU - Brown, CCT, RPI, UC, @DC, @Harvard
Harvard - @Cornell, @Colgate, @Brown, CCT, SLU
Colgate - @UC, DC, Harvard, @Yale, @Brown

A lot of my number crunching comes from the Sioux Sports what-if calculator (http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=4). I'm using the ECAC Hockey's tie-breaking guidelines (http://ecachockey.com/men/tournament/ChampTieBreaking) to split ties that I come across. This season's slack.net ECAC Playoff Possibilities Script (http://69.31.82.90/~whelan/tbrw/2011/ecac.cgiframe.shtml) is up again and should make future looks into tiebreakers that much easier.

Cornell holds 5th place over Princeton based on points vs. Top 4 teams (3 v 0). Brown beat St. Lawrence in Providence and therefore holds the tiebreaker for 9th place (subject to the upcoming game in Canton, obviously).

Let's start with some certainties...

Union's possible finishes narrows down to 1st-7th place. Basically, I got it by making a 4-way tie for 1st with Yale, Dartmouth, Princeton, and Cornell. Then, there was a 3-way tie for 5th place between Clarkson, RPI, and Union. Head-to-head points in the 5th place tiebreaker goes to Clarkson (6 v 4 v 2). And, the individual tiebreaker for 6th place broke the Engineers way, based on the third tiebreaker (points vs Top 4, 10 v 9). Basically, it's really, really improbable for Union to finish in 7th place, but there is still a minute possibility.

I think Dartmouth's basement moves up to 9th place. Quinnipiac, St. Lawrence, and Brown can all catch the Big Green individually, but Brown still has to face the other two teams. So, there could theoretically be a 4-way tie for 7th place, but Dartmouth would win the tiebreaker and would take the #7 seed. So, the lowest Dartmouth can go is if Brown loses those points to the Saints and Bobcats, placing Gaudet's players in 9th place.

Clarkson can still take the #1 seed, but they would end up sharing the Cleary Cup with the Dutchmen. The season series would be split and both the Knights and Dutchmen would have 13 wins. So, the tiebreaker would come down to Points vs. Top 4 teams. At that point, Dartmouth and RPI would be good teams to have in that comparison for the Knights. Union would like to see Cornell in the Top 4, instead.

Clarkson can also still finish in 12th place. They would either tie with Harvard or Colgate for 11th place. A tie with the Crimson goes into a points vs Top 4 teams comparison. The Crimson would like to see Cornell crack the Top 4 in that case. The Knights would want to see Princeton in the Top 4 for them to not finish in 12th. A Colgate-Clarkson tie would go to the Raiders based on the season series win for Colgate.

Brown's ceiling drops to 4th place. They can get in a 4-way tie for 3rd place, but any such tie would be guaranteed to have either Dartmouth or Rensselaer (or both). Brown would be able to finish in second place in any of those 4-way ties, but could not take 1st because they were swept by both Big Green and the Engineers already. So, their new effective ceiling is 4th place.

SLU suffers from a similar fate where they have not / cannot won any season series against any of the top-tier teams within the conference. So, the best I can see them doing is taking the last bye spot by getting up to 23 points, tying with Dartmouth, with Yale, Union, and Cornell ahead of them in the standings. St. Lawrence would finish in 4th place based on wins (11 v 10).

Next, let's look at the "thresholds" that are being employed...

The "Bye Lock" threshold drops all the way from 31+ points to 30. With Cornell, Rensselaer, and Princeton all losing points tonight, the threshold dropped significantly. Union inches that much closer to locking up 4th place or higher.

On the other hand, the "Bye Eligible" threshold shoots up from 21+ points to 23+ with Dartmouth and Princeton both picking up points tonight and the fact that DC, RPI, Cornell, and PU all have two games against each other remaining in their schedule.

The "Home Lock" threshold slips from 25 points to 24. St. Lawrence can get to 9th place with 23 points and still not even be tied with 8th place Quinnipiac.

The "Home Eligible" threshold has to go up to at least 15 points. Clarkson can lose out and still hold 2 points more than St. Lawrence, Harvard, and Brown (who would be in a 3-way tie for 9th). I didn't develop the naming convention, so I'm not sure whether it should be 15+ or 15, but I'm going to say 15, because Clarkson doesn't need to hold any tiebreakers to take 8th place with only 15 points.

Hopefully, I didn't miss anything. I'm sure you guys will let me know if you do see something wrong, though.

burgie12
02-12-2011, 11:06 PM
And, the update at the end of the weekend's games. I will probably have another post on Tuesday, but it will likely just contain the numbers... no explanations should be necessary with only one game played.

--- Bye Lock - 29+
UC 29 - 37 [1-5]
Yale 28 - 36 [1-5]
DC 24 - 32 [1-8]
--- Home Lock - 23
Cornell 22 - 30 [1-9]
RPI 21 - 29 [1-10]
PU 20 - 28 [3-10]
QU 16 - 24 [4-11]
CCT 15 - 25 [3-12]
Brown 13 - 23 [4-12]
--- Bye Eligible - 22+
SLU 11 - 21 [6-12]
Harvard 7 - 17 [7-12]
--- Home Eligible - 15
Colgate 6 - 14 [9-12]

Remaining League Schedules:
UC - Colgate, @CCT, @SLU, QU, PU
Yale - @CCT, @QU, @PU, Colgate, Cornell
DC - PU, @Colgate, @Cornell, SLU, CCT
Cornell - @RPI, Harvard, DC, @Brown, @Yale
RPI - Cornell, @SLU, @CCT, PU, QU
PU - @DC, Brown, Yale, @RPI, @UC
QU - Yale, Brown, @UC, @RPI
CCT - Yale, @SLU, UC, RPI, @Harvard, @DC
Brown - @SLU, @PU, @QU, Harvard, Cornell, Colgate
SLU - Brown, CCT, RPI, UC, @DC, @Harvard
Harvard - @Cornell, @Colgate, @Brown, CCT, SLU
Colgate - @UC, DC, Harvard, @Yale, @Brown

A lot of my number crunching comes from the Sioux Sports what-if calculator (http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=4). I'm using the ECAC Hockey's tie-breaking guidelines (http://ecachockey.com/men/tournament/ChampTieBreaking) to split ties that I come across. This season's slack.net ECAC Playoff Possibilities Script (http://69.31.82.90/~whelan/tbrw/2011/ecac.cgiframe.shtml) is up again and should make future looks into tiebreakers that much easier.

Let's start with some certainties...

Union almost clinches a bye. If it's a two-way tie between the two Capital District teams, then the Dutchmen would hold onto 4th place based on points vs Top 4 teams (7 v 6 based on their sweep of Cornell and their single point against Dartmouth as opposed to RPI sweeping Dartmouth and getting swept by Cornell). A 3-way tie between Dartmouth, RPI, and Union sees RPI taking 3rd place on head-to-head points (6 v 3 v 3) and Dartmouth would win the 4th-place tiebreaker because they took 3 points during the season series.

Yale cannot be caught by both Rensselaer and Princeton, so their range narrows further to 1st-5th place.

Dartmouth can only fall all the way to 8th place if they get caught in a 3-way tie for 6th place with both RPI and Quinnipiac. The Big Green would fall to 8th place based on head-to-head points (5 v 5 v 2). Quinnipiac would then take 6th since they would win the season series 3 points to 1. But, Dartmouth has still clinched a home playoff series.

Cornell can slip to 9th place (and out of a home series) by finishing the season tied with Brown (instead of Quinnipiac) in the standings. The Bears would sweep the season series and take 8th place.

RPI can fall to 10th if it's a 3-way tie between St. Lawrence, Quinnipiac, and RPI. St. Lawrence takes 8th place by virtue of head-to-head record (5 v 4 v 3). Quinnipiac would win the season series against the Engineers and send Tute down to 10th place.

The Engineers' drive for 1st place is still alive, which they can get if they tie with Union and get the proper help. It all depends upon which teams make up the other two in the Top 4. If Dartmouth is one of those teams, then Rensselaer finishes in first place by a count of 8 to 5.

Princeton does not have the tiebreakers to beat out Yale for 2nd place. Any team that the Tigers beat on the season would not be able to get enough points to make it a 3-way tie. So, Princeton's ceiling is 3rd place.

Quinnipiac can get enough points for 3rd place, but would be in a 3-way tie with Dartmouth and Cornell. Cornell would win the head-to-head comparison (7 v 3 v 2) to take third place. The Big Green would then win the head-to-head matchup by wins (11 v 10). So, the way to get the Qpac Cats up to 4th place is to allow Dartmouth to take points and keep the Big Red down.

Clarkson can still finish in 3rd place if Cornell beats Dartmouth and the other games break the Knights' way.

Brown, despite not playing today, still has aspirations of finishing in 4th place.

St. Lawrence's ceiling falls to 6th place because Rensselaer and Princeton still have to play each other during the last week of play, meaning that the Saints cannot finish ahead of both of them.

Harvard did not play today and the range of possible finishes for the Crimson does not change.

Colgate's loss today knocks them out of contention for a home playoff spot and ensures that they'll be on the road in the first weekend of March.

Next, let's look at the "thresholds" that are being employed...

The "Bye Lock" threshold drops down to 29+ points. Any of the current top 4 teams would be able to finish with 29 points, tied with Rensselaer with the other Top 4 teams all ahead of the Engineers.

The "Bye Eligible" threshold sits at 22+ points. (I'm not sure how I missed it yesterday, but Cornell and RPI can tie for 4th place with 22 points each. The Big Red would take the free weekend in March by virtue of their series sweep.)

The "Home Lock" threshold slips down to 23 points. With Quinnipiac and Brown still having to play each other, only one team can finish with 23 points, and therefore take 8th place.

The "Home Eligible" stays put at 15 points. Theoretically, Clarkson can lose out and still play at home in March.

Hopefully, I didn't miss anything. I'm sure you guys will let me know if you do see something wrong, though.

burgie12
02-15-2011, 11:02 PM
--- Bye Lock - 29+
UC 29 - 37 [1-5]
Yale 28 - 36 [1-5]
DC 24 - 32 [1-8]
--- Home Lock - 23
Cornell 22 - 30 [1-9]
RPI 21 - 29 [1-9]
PU 20 - 28 [3-9]
CCT 17 - 25 [3-10]
QU 16 - 24 [4-11]
Brown 13 - 23 [4-12]
--- Bye Eligible - 22+
SLU 11 - 19 [7-12]
Harvard 7 - 17 [7-12]
--- Home Eligible - 16
Colgate 6 - 14 [9-12]

Remaining League Schedules:
UC - @CCT, @SLU, QU, PU
Yale - @QU, @PU, Colgate, Cornell
DC - @Colgate, @Cornell, SLU, CCT
Cornell - Harvard, DC, @Brown, @Yale
RPI - @SLU, @CCT, PU, QU
PU - Brown, Yale, @RPI, @UC
CCT - UC, RPI, @Harvard, @DC
QU - Yale, Brown, @UC, @RPI
Brown - @PU, @QU, Harvard, Cornell, Colgate
SLU - RPI, UC, @DC, @Harvard
Harvard - @Cornell, @Colgate, @Brown, CCT, SLU
Colgate - DC, Harvard, @Yale, @Brown

Clarkson can be caught by Harvard and the Crimson can win the tiebreaker if Cornell is a Top 4 team. But, SLU would not be able to pass the Knights if they lose their season finale to that Boston team. And, a 3-way tie between CCT, SLU, and HU for 9th place immediately puts the Saints in 11th based on head-to-head points (6 v 6 v 2). So, Clarkson's basement is 10th place.

SLU's ceiling drops to 7th because the Saints can no longer catch the Tigers.

Harvard's aspiration of finishing in 7th are evaporating quickly. Again, they would need Cornell to be a Top 4 team to win the tiebreaker with Clarkson.

The Home Eligible threshold moves up to 16 points. The Qpac Cats can still finish with home ice without gaining another point.

The list of four teams that are going to be on the road early in March is getting dangerously close to becoming defined even before the last weekend is played.

burgie12
02-19-2011, 01:33 AM
UC 31 - 37 [1-2]
Yale 30 - 36 [1-2]
--- Bye Lock - 28+
DC 24 - 30 [3-6]
Cornell 22 - 28 [3-7]
PU 22 - 28 [3-7]
RPI 21 - 27 [3-8]
--- Home Lock - 21+
CCT 17 - 23 [4-10]
--- Bye Eligible - 22+
QU 16 - 22 [6-11]
Brown 13 - 21 [6-12]
SLU 13 - 19 [7-12]
Harvard 9 - 17 [7-12]
--- Home Eligible - 16
Colgate 8 - 14 [9-12]

Remaining League Schedules:
UC - @SLU, QU, PU
Yale - @PU, Colgate, Cornell
DC - @Cornell, SLU, CCT
Cornell - DC, @Brown, @Yale
PU - Yale, @RPI, @UC
RPI - @CCT, PU, QU
CCT - RPI, @Harvard, @DC
QU - Brown, @UC, @RPI
Brown - @QU, Harvard, Cornell, Colgate
SLU - UC, @DC, @Harvard
Harvard - @Colgate, @Brown, CCT, SLU
Colgate - Harvard, @Yale, @Brown

A lot of my number crunching comes from the Sioux Sports what-if calculator (http://siouxsports.com/hockey/whatif/index.php?confid=4). I'm using the ECAC Hockey's tie-breaking guidelines (http://ecachockey.com/men/tournament/ChampTieBreaking) to split ties that I come across. This season's slack.net ECAC Playoff Possibilities Script (http://69.31.82.90/~whelan/tbrw/2011/ecac.cgiframe.shtml) is up again and should make future looks into tiebreakers that much easier.

I'm not 100% sure on my number crunching tonight because I'm on the road and haven't put as much effort into it as normal. However, I am absolutely certain that Union and Yale have both clinched a bye and are the only two teams fighting for the Cleary Cup.

Also, Quinnipiac and Brown still have to face each other (tonight, even, to make matters that much simpler). So, one of them can catch Rensselaer, but not both. And, if Brown is the team to catch the Engineers, they'd lose pretty much every possible tiebreaker since they got swept by the men of Troy. That is why RPI has locked up home-ice in March.

I'm not sure about Quinnipiac's ceiling, but based on preliminary looks into tiebreakers and very quick number crunching, my initial guess is that the Qpac Cats' ceiling is 6th place.

Also, it appears that Clarkson is the only school that can finish in any of the three tiers.

I'll have a more comprehensive look on Sunday and Tuesday / Wednesday and, finally on Friday, heading into the last night of games.