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norm1909
01-30-2011, 09:00 AM
With the old thread closed, "We still have to fine tune some things..."

Lakers add to Cards' frustration (http://pressrepublican.com/0302_college/x187081313/Lakers-add-to-Cards-frustration) - {Article from the Plattsburgh Press-Republican 1/30/2011}

"We still have to fine tune some things..." (a work in progress???)


The Plattsburgh State men's hockey team couldn't have played much better Saturday night.

But, the Cardinals still came up short against top-ranked Oswego when Luke Moodie's power-play goal at 9:41 of the third period gave the Lakers a 4-3 victory in State University of New York Athletic Conference play at the Stafford Ice Arena.

Oswego, beating the Cardinals for the fifth time in a row, improved to 12-0 in the conference and 19-2-0 overall, while the Cardinals, who dropped a 2-0 contest to Cortland the night before, are now 6-6 in the SUNYAC and 13-6-1 overall.

Plattsburgh State doubled Oswego in shots on goal, 38-19, but didn't have the edge on the scoreboard where it mattered the most.

"In my 23 years of coaching, I can't remember a time when we played pretty well in back-to-back games like this and didn't win either game," said Plattsburgh State head coach Bob Emery.

"Good teams find a way to win. And, right now, we're finding ways to lose. But, I'm still proud of the guys."
The Cardinals and Lakers were tied, at 2-all, entering the third period.

But, Plattsburgh State grabbed a 3-2 advantage on Ryan Craig's power-play goal at 3:41. Vick Schlueter's shot from the side was deflected to Craig, who beat Oswego goalie Paul Beckwith straight on.

The Lakers, however, tied it at the 8:22 mark while being a little fortunate in the process.

Jon Whitelaw got behind the Cardinal defense and went in alone on goalie Josh Leis. Leis made the save, but a Plattsburgh State defenseman, skating back on the play, slid into Leis and knocked the puck loose and just over the line.

Then, just over a minute later, Moodie scored a power-play goal on a tip-in for the game-winner.

"We had a senior take a bad penalty and they were able to score the go-ahead goal," said Emery.

Thoughts of a Plattsburgh State comeback were put in jeopardy with 4:50 remaining when the Cardinals were hit for a five-minute penalty for contact to the head.

But, Oswego was whistled for a too many men on the ice penalty with 1:43 left and Leis was pulled for an extra attacker. The Cardinals, however, weren't able to get the equalizer.

Schlueter, who played a strong game, gave the Cardinals a 2-0 lead in the first period with two power-play goals.

The first came on a rebound from the side at 3:26 and the second was nearly from the same spot just inside the near post at the 11:26 mark

But, Oswego cut its deficit in half at the 17:35 mark. Chris Laganiere sent a shot from just beyond the faceoff circle up top to beat Leis.

The Lakers then tied it at 5:58 of the second when an Oswego shot bounced off the boards and in front to Chris Muise, who scored a power-play from in close.

Plattsburgh State nearly took the lead later in the period when a shot was ruled to have hit the post along the ice and bounced out.

"It was a controversial non-goal call on a shot by Dylan Clarke," said Emery. "We looked at the tape and it was a good goal. But, we can't make excuses."

Beckwith finished with 35 saves in net for the Lakers to remain unbeaten in goal this season. Leis stopped 15 shots for the Cardinals.

"We just have to keep working hard," said Emery. "We still have to fine tune some things and we need to get a little better leadership."

The Cardinals are back at it on Tuesday at the Stafford Ice Arena when they close out their 10-game homestand with a big non-conference game with Middlebury.

PrezdeJohnson09
01-30-2011, 10:22 AM
It still blows my mind that Emery thinks they played two strong games this weekend; but I guess we all have our own opinions.

Oh i don't know..if you held a gun to my head I'd take the guy that has two national championships rather than the guy that has probably never played sports.

CardsFan91
01-30-2011, 11:00 AM
Coach said the Clarke's goal was a "good goal"? Did anybody see it go in? I was down at that end and I was screened by Beckwith. I couldn't see if it crossed the line or not.

mdmadison
01-30-2011, 11:16 AM
I was watching it on Primelink and saw several reviews, although not in good quality and the puck appeared to go from post to post. If you think about it logically or mathmatically, how could it cross the line "completely" by going post to post and then out onto the ice. If it had crossed the line it logically would have hit the inside of the 2nd post and then into the net. If I'm wrong I welcome any other reasoning as to how it was a goal.

norm1909
01-30-2011, 11:42 AM
It's all Charlie's fault, if not for him, Prez would have been at the Stafford :p ;)

norm1909
01-30-2011, 10:14 PM
Some attendance numbers for The Stafford Oswego game:

Friday, November 11, 2005 - 2918
Saturday, December 2, 2006 - 3173
Friday, January 25, 2008 - 2415 (NOT a sellout - old seating)
Friday, December 5, 2008 - 1924 (Sellout)
Saturday, November 7, 2009 - 2106 (Sellout)
Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 2056 (Sellout)

PrezdeJohnson09
01-30-2011, 10:40 PM
Some attendance numbers for The Stafford Oswego game:

Friday, November 11, 2005 - 2918
Saturday, December 2, 2006 - 3173
Friday, January 25, 2008 - 2415 (NOT a sellout - old seating)
Friday, December 5, 2008 - 1924 (Sellout)
Saturday, November 7, 2009 - 2106 (Sellout)
Saturday, January 29, 2011 - 2056 (Sellout)

What about the 2008 SUNYAC finals? Place was jammed.

2009 SUNYAC finals had to be sold out I would guess.

CardsFan91
01-30-2011, 11:29 PM
What about the 2008 SUNYAC finals? Place was jammed.

I second that!

Dyce
01-31-2011, 01:25 AM
What about the 2008 SUNYAC finals? Place was jammed.

2009 SUNYAC finals had to be sold out I would guess.

I'll take this one; norm can have the tough lookups :)

Saturday, March 1, 2008 (SUNYAC Finals) - 3189
Saturday, March 7, 2009 (SUNYAC Finals) - 1911 (not even a sellout under the new configuration :( )

By the by, the last genuine sellout I could find prior to the renovations - in the sense of 3500+, although anything over 3000 made things pretty cozy - was the regular-season Oswego matchup for the '98-'99 season.

LakerEagleLover
01-31-2011, 05:39 AM
Coach said the Clarke goal was a "good goal"? Did anybody see it go in? I was down at that end and I was screened by Beckwith. I couldn't see if it crossed the line or not. I was sitting in the 3rd row, section F with a clear view and watched it go in, along with both Platty playa's....it was a proper goal...

EDIT - I was referring to the "other goal" sorry - I am still a bit giddy...play on

CardsFan91
01-31-2011, 08:51 AM
I was just going through the national statistics. Plattburgh is dead last in the country in penalty minutes per game at 9.2. Atleast people can't complain that we're not playing disciplined hockey.

Just a reminder. Behind the Bench with Ducky Drake and Bob Emery is tonight at 6:30pm on WIRY. It will be interesting to hear Emery's thoughts on this past weekend.

sticksnstones
01-31-2011, 08:56 AM
Emery is just going to talk about how well the team played and how "the puck just didn't bounce our way." I didn't see the game Friday, but the team played great Saturday, even better than they played in Oswego. I saw it mentioned on here, but I wonder if he is going to talk about Corry (probably not mentioning by name) being in the doghouse.

Oh well, Middlebury tomorrow night and then making the short trip to Morrisville on Saturday. I'm praying I don't leave the IcePlex with a Cardinal loss. :confused:

CardinalSin
01-31-2011, 09:48 AM
Im sure there are enough people out there who will say Plattsburgh played well this weekend . On the otherhand lets face it they went 0-2 , where I come from the two are not the same. Plattsburgh is in the league of teams that are not judged by means of playing well. Very few teams just play well and hang a national championship banner in the rafters. Teams that play well and find a way to win when they play well do , or find a way to win even if they dont play well do , but going 0-2 against both ends of the conference spectrum is troubling . We are what we are and at this point we are 6-6 in the SUNYAC Conference , middle of the pack.

This team has exhibited a middle of the pack persona too often , Why? Is it talent ? , depth ? or just lack of fear and respect from other teams who viewed Plattsburgh as unbeatable just a few seasons ago . In any event if this average middle of the pack persona shows up again its over for the Cards.

If they play like that in the SUNYAC Playoffs ,over , if they are fortunate enough to get in the NCAA Tourney and it makes an appearance, its over. They need to get an us against the world mentality , road warrior mentality , and every single player has to raise his game to the highest level they have ever played and then find about 10% more than that or its over. I cant figure out what they have been playing for all year ,certainly the regular season conference title is gone , so now they are playing for the SUNYAC Playoff Championship lets see if they can reach that goal.

I thought the fact that a #9 was sewn on their sweaters would help them gut it out and reach down inside when it was needed most. No disrespect but I cant recall any instance where the team gutted one out this season.

I dont know if its too late for this team or if they will all of a sudden wake up and realize that its getting late and this years team is going to either raise their collective efforts or
are they going to accept a "middle of the pack " designation like so many other teams in the country.

There I said it and if the players read it I hope I bruised an ego or two but its time to find out if you have what it takes to look inside and ask yourself " Have I given everything I have every second Im on the ice or not ? "

At 6-6 in the conference I' ll answer for you NO YOU HAVEN'T

spwood
01-31-2011, 11:34 AM
Is it possible to play well and not win a game? Of course it is. Did Plattsburgh do that twice this weekend? Yeah, they really did. That gets them nothing in the standings, and Coach Emery knows that, but to not acknowledge they played well when they did doesn't seem to make much sense either. That said, they were ahead in Saturday's game because Oswego was accomodating with some undisciplined penalties. They lost Saturday's game because they returned the favor in the third period when it counted most. IT's great that they only have 9.whatever minutes in penalties a game, but if seven of them occur in the third period of a tight game you have to win...

norm1909
01-31-2011, 11:47 AM
Is it possible to play well and not win a game? Of course it is. Did Plattsburgh do that twice this weekend? Yeah, they really did. That gets them nothing in the standings, and Coach Emery knows that, but to not acknowledge they played well when they did doesn't seem to make much sense either. That said, they were ahead in Saturday's game because Oswego was accomodating with some undisciplined penalties. They lost Saturday's game because they returned the favor in the third period when it counted most. IT's great that they only have 9.whatever minutes in penalties a game, but if seven of them occur in the third period of a tight game you have to win...

+1 - Well said.

PrezdeJohnson09
01-31-2011, 01:09 PM
No disrespect but I cant recall any instance where the team gutted one out this season.



How about the second Norwich game when the Cards were down 2-0 in the opening five minutes and facing a 5x3 disadvantage for two full minutes. Killed that off and won 7-4.

I'd say they gutted that one out.

Plattsburgh is still a VERY good hockey team and I wouldn't want to face them in a playoff situation. Don't be shocked if they win the SUNYAC. Actually you know what, I'll say it right now. Plattsburgh wins the SUNYAC this year.

theburgh
01-31-2011, 01:17 PM
I was at both games this weekend. The Cardinals absloutely out played Cortland and without a doubt deserved a better result. Against Oswego in my opinion the Cards once again outplayed the opponent. Oswego is hands down the best team in the country this year, and the Cardinals can play them ten times and may lose all ten by 1 goal but these two teams are more evenly matched than people or standings indicate. What shocks me most is how a perenial division 3 program can't attract better goaltending. I played college hockey in the 90's and I know goalies all over the country would be bitting at an opportunity to come into Plattsburgh with a chance of being the starter. Say whatever you want about Leis but he is a below average goalie for the program. Don't argue this point with his stats he's playing for Plattsburgh one of the best defensive systems in the country. By no means am I throwing Leis under the bus because he has nobody pushing him out of the starter position. I almost feel bad for Leis because he is not good enough for this level/team. After watching the game with a fellow alumni from Oswego we both noticed how uncomfortable he is in nets. He simply does not make the big saves when you need them, an example would be Norwich lat year in the frozen four the softy he let in from the blue line. Emery needs to recruit big time goaltending for the Cards to become a serious contender again.

On another note dont count the Cards out of a possible bid into the NCAA. I heard lots of people talking after the Oswego game saying the Cards have to win the Sunyac now to get in. Honestly thats quite possible. However after speaking to one of the players on the team he feels that if the Cards beat Middlebury and win the rest of their conference games they will get in. I dont completely disagree with him, the Cards would be 8-0-1 in non conference games and finish the year off with a record of 18-6-1.
With a high ranked strength of schedule.

Only time will tell....

mjmigliaccio
01-31-2011, 01:17 PM
How about the second Norwich game when the Cards were down 2-0 in the opening five minutes and facing a 5x3 disadvantage for two full minutes. Killed that off and won 7-4.

I'd say they gutted that one out.

Plattsburgh is still a VERY good hockey team and I wouldn't want to face them in a playoff situation. Don't be shocked if they win the SUNYAC. Actually you know what, I'll say it right now. Plattsburgh wins the SUNYAC this year.

You are a hoot! Just love to stir the pot don't you?! Couldn't help by try to get the Cardinal faithful all lathered up.

CardinalSin
01-31-2011, 01:30 PM
Steve,

Im all about effort , but , unfortunately everything is measured by results. Maybe our "Good Enough" isnt good enough any more . Plattsburgh was considered one of the better teams in the country (on paper) going into this season. Part of the pre-season hype is based on the history of the program and part of that history is you dont lose to Morrisville , Buff State and Cortland all in the same season and most times never in the season.

We have played quite well against the better teams on the schedule but since all games count equally in the standings the losses to lower level opponents weigh more than say a couple of close losses to Oswego or a tie with Elmira. I get what you are saying but I dont think we should celebrate a well played game or two that went the wrong way on the scoreboard. It would be a little different if we were playing Oswego for first place Saturday and we came up short but busted our asses and just missed. Yes you could build on that but in reality the Cortland game added to that is not good for a quality team at this point in the season . Historically Plattsburgh has teams that could have sat 4 good players for a team violation and beat a better team than Cortland is.

CardinalSin
01-31-2011, 01:36 PM
I was at both games this weekend. The Cardinals absloutely out played Cortland and without a doubt deserved a better result. Against Oswego in my opinion the Cards once again outplayed the opponent. Oswego is hands down the best team in the country this year, and the Cardinals can play them ten times and may lose all ten by 1 goal but these two teams are more evenly matched than people or standings indicate. What shocks me most is how a perenial division 3 program can't attract better goaltending. I played college hockey in the 90's and I know goalies all over the country would be bitting at an opportunity to come into Plattsburgh with a chance of being the starter. Say whatever you want about Leis but he is a below average goalie for the program. Don't argue this point with his stats he's playing for Plattsburgh one of the best defensive systems in the country. By no means am I throwing Leis under the bus because he has nobody pushing him out of the starter position. I almost feel bad for Leis because he is not good enough for this level/team. After watching the game with a fellow alumni from Oswego we both noticed how uncomfortable he is in nets. He simply does not make the big saves when you need them, an example would be Norwich lat year in the frozen four the softy he let in from the blue line. Emery needs to recruit big time goaltending for the Cards to become a serious contender again.

On another note dont count the Cards out of a possible bid into the NCAA. I heard lots of people talking after the Oswego game saying the Cards have to win the Sunyac now to get in. Honestly thats quite possible. However after speaking to one of the players on the team he feels that if the Cards beat Middlebury and win the rest of their conference games they will get in. I dont completely disagree with him, the Cards would be 8-0-1 in non conference games and finish the year off with a record of 18-6-1.
With a high ranked strength of schedule.

Only time will tell....

Amen on the goalie situation but , hes all we have and I would be very surprised if a major upgrade is not in the future , the problem is we lose so much from the graduating class this season that this team had a narrow window of opportunity